MissMe said:

I give my answers and favours because I want to, not because I owe you. If I want something from someone, I pay them. If they want to help out of their own kindness, I'd be very appreciative, but I'd never ask for the help. at least not unless I know it's my only way and I cannot do without it.

ArielB said:

If you learn something from me, will you offer to pay me, or run away and not pay me? I don't understand. Any knowledge I "give" is priceless and you will be indebted to me always.

MissMe said:

I didn't know your teachers worked for free. You pay them money, so they're not helping you because you asked them, they're helping you because you paid them to.

MissMe said:

Jeez... how about self actualization? Self knowlege?

I personally think you need to learn your own self before you can even begin to make sense of the world at large. You can't ask others for help with that shit. Your on your own.


And just a side bar here....

As a teacher I can say agree that we need instruction to learn the basics in life, but I'm always amazed and delighted at the things the children I teach come up with on their own.

Honestly, I think children learn far more from what they observe in the world then what we tell them is true.

I can't imagine adults are much different.

MissMe said:

That's why I'm not asking you

ArielB said:

I am talking to you. I and you are not teachers. You are deflecting. The question I asked was, how you feel now.

No, I don't. I find it very easy to ask for help.

Oh and BTW.... I think you really can learn tons by looking at plants or staring at the tide.... just saying.

MissMe said:

I learn by listening, not by asking. And that's how I've learned in life.
By either searching for myself in all types of existing media, or by observing and listening to others ask questions. Sorry, but I'm too shy to approach people. you want to call me a snob for that, go ahead.

Sweeny79 said:

So you have answered the question and needn't start sarcasm and shit. Children learn from their own curiosity, yes. Some are interested and want to learn more, so ask: others don't, and play dumb. Whatever.

You started an argument that wasn't there. I just asked how YOU felt today, whether you were comfortable asking for directions, or asking for more knowledge of something initially misunderstood, and here it is turned over into a whole debate about basic learnings in life. lol

ArielB said:

Your style is different, I see no harm in this.

I do not understand why it would matter to someone else at all.

Sweeny79 said:

Thank you Teacher.

ArielB said:

your not a snob. i completely understand where your coming from

MissMe said:

Huh what argument? I didn't mean for it to come off that way... and I don't think I was sarcastic.

Sweeny79 said:

I don't either.
I blend with the walls. I try not to interfere with anyone's life and just learn by observing. I don't like taking someone's time to help me, when I can learn by either observing or researching by myself.
She is not the first to call me a snob, I don't mind. I did no harm, so I have no guilt or bad feelings.
[Edited 8/14/07 19:21pm]

Sweeny79 said:

As a teacher, I see you have deflected from the initial discussion. I will edit and put the thread topic in bold, as you seem to have gone off on a tangent here.

MissMe said:

Hey I answered the orginal question, I was just following where the conversation went.

All I was trying to say was that everyone is entitled to his or her own way of learning.

And I just disagree with your statement that no one can learn alone.

Sweeny79 said:

I am talking about adults and you are talking about childrens behaviour. In my initial post, I pointed out that things do change in adult life (or not). I wasn't asking generally, I was asking personally. ArielB doesn't feel comfortable asking questions or directions. I do. It's about self confidence and esteem, not intellect.

i'll never understand the continued insistence of some people that shyness equals snobbery. i've had people tell me that my whole life and it's absolute crap.

MissMe said:

But that's my whole point, it's not always about self confidence, sometimes it's just a personal choice.

evenstar said:

evenstar said:

When people have a hard time understanding, they like to put tags to make it easier on them
I've been called a snob more than once in my life, and I've never considered myself better than anyone. I actually suffer from low self esteem. Which kind of clashes with being a snob, no?

ArielB said:

exactly. i hate it.

Don't pick on Ariel. You don't know him.

hokie1 said:

That was kinda my point too.

I was trying to handle this thread, without this

hokie1 said:

Who is picking on who?