Did I read "pseudo-intellectual"? Quite frankly, dear Orgers, after watching a girl eat a water buffalo penis on Fear Factor, I'm afraid we need more intellectuals, pseudo or not...

nLA said:

YOU DESERVE A VIP PASS INTO 'HEAVEN' JUST FOR SAYING THAT!

People who believe in a god, multiple gods, or no god can all get along ultimately.

Tom said:

Yes, yes and yes... both you and nLA are so very right!

Agree with most of what nLA said.
Furthermore, I believe science & spirituality go hand in hand. No need for the tug o' war between the 2. PEACE
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nLA said:

I've considered myself athiest at times simply because I felt more hate and intolerance from religion than good. I was raised Catholic, and despite all the stuff they preached about love, respect, and compassion, there was ALWAYS an undertone of seperation and intolerance in what was being said and taught.

Sometimes its easier to divert a religious fanatic by telling them your an athiest, when in reality you do believe in a god of some sort.

nLA said:

I am not at all offended by Christian views, as long as they're not pushed on me, you know? I can't stand overly religious people. It's fine and dandy to have something you believe strongly in, but you don't have to push it off on everyone else in the world.

I used to be a Christian, as a matter of fact. Mostly cuz I was afraid to go to Hell.

AzureStar said:

Melody said:

nLA said:

Melody said:

SensualMelody said:

Well I'm glad that you are not embarrassed to openly speak about Jehova and the Word. What I like best about you is that you dont spew rhetoric and "christian terminolgy" every chance you get -- in the process alienating people who dont understand. There were a few here who did and called this place a den of inquities (lol).

True. An atheist can change, as we all can... but I find that quoting scripture doesnt hold any real significance to someone who doesnt believe in the Author. The Author of course, being fictional in their mind.

I try to be mindful of my actions, but even I (gulp) have my moments. Every day as a matter of fact!

Otherwise, I do my best. Here's to you.

I can't recall ever being offended by the views of
people who are atheists or agnostic. People are people,
whether or not they believe in God/Higher Power of not.
It's interesting to hear their point of view, as I've
been able to do that when occaisionally when I share my
beliefs w/others.

I admit I had a bit of a "learning curve" to adjust to the
world of posting online when I first frequented the org.
But all in all, respecting others views earns respect, which
has been my goal here. And I've enjoyed some good dialogue
here w/people I might not otherwise have been able to talk to.

nLA said:[quote]

AzureStar said:

My children will believe what they choose to. I want them to find their own way, and if they ask me questions I will answer them the best that I can.

Currently, I don't bring up the subject at all. My son does, at times, and he says that he talks to God and told me there is no hell or a devil (which is basically what I believe). I just allow him to talk freely and listen and I don't sway his thinking. My daughter... she's just a nut!

It's funny... my children went to church with their grandpa months ago and my son came back and asked me why they wanted to scare him into believing and if God loved us, as they told him, why would he send him to the "fire"? He then said that he told them that it wasn't true... his momma wouldn't send him to the "fire" for doing something, because I always forgive him, so why would God? When I asked him what they said to that, he said that they didn't have time to explain. My daughter came back and wanted to know why God had so many rules! The scary part of this for me is that my daughter was afraid, for weeks, to do anything, for fear that God would send her to the "fire". I simply told them to just be who they are.


Btw... I am not a christian.


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SensualMelody said:[quote]

Melody said:

For the record:

AzureStar is not a christian and her views are NOT based in the bible or christianity in any way. Her view of god is totally different than christians and she considers herself to be absolutely NOT a christian.

Please do not confuse Heather with those who believe that the bible is a "holy book" and "the word of god" because this is VERY far from the truth.

Many atheist start to believe in God when the end is near, you never know hehe

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

WTF You love nLA too , where is the "jealous" emoticon?

jnoel said:

What are you trying to say, Jnoel?

AzureStar said:[quote]

nLA said:

Thank you for your candor. You dont have to believe in Christianity to believe in God. And I'm sorry your kids' first taste of God is rather unpalatable.

I do believe in a hell and I think there are going to be many unexpected souls there..

(to clarify: not because of the scare tactics; but for the hate, the murders {abortion clinic bombings, approval of gay beatings, etc} and the stupidity.)

AzureStar said:

Well... you started to believe in god... just not one that has anything to do with christian, muslim, hindu or anything.

I wonder how many people believe in "god" but do NOT believe in anything like the christian god and are misunderstood when they say god?

Just like when Stephen Hawking's statements were misunderstood and christians started saying that he was a christian because he used the word "god" in statements. Much like Einstein and many other physicists and scientists... I would bet that there are a LOT of people who believe this way and do not agree with any religion at all.

I can say that I believe in god because I believe that there is a universal mathematical constant underlying all things.

So, from now on I believe in god.

IceNine said:

If you believe that universal mathematical constant is a deity would it be considered "god"?

there are some people who believe you and I are gods with the power to heal ourselves, etc. so yeah, I guess you're right.

Right about now I wish I were Zeus for purely evil reasons.

AzureStar said:

If he / it/she doesn't exist he/it/she can't do you anything as you're already dead and if he/she/it exists well...there's a french expression "les convertis de la dernière heure" the last to believe are often the most hystericals

Stephen Hawking eats my balls

jnoel said:

Damn... do they regrow or has he eaten one at a time and can he not come back for seconds?

before eating them he broke them with one of his theory about God, the Universe, the cows,Prince, the bees, Bin Laden, Kylie Minogue, the Earth, the Sky and the Moon.

I'm sorry I've made this serious thread fall into vulgarity

jnoel said:

Oh... so you are basically saying that he ate your nuts in an alternate universe and that he can continue to eat your balls, as alternate universes are found all along the cosmic wave function.

If Stephen Hawking invented a machine that could travel to different nodes on the cosmic wave function, he could eat your nuts in MANY dimensions!

Damn, Hawking is a genius! Who knew that his cosmological theories were all invented to find ways to eat your balls FOREVER!

let's get back to the subject (the hypocrite) ,I think that Einstein believed in God too.
If God exist that means that there is a Secret Plan

jnoel said:

Einstein actually did not believe in a spiritual deity... he believed in mathematics and order.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Albert Einstein, 1954, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffmann, Princeton University Press.

jnoel said:

If Stephen Hawking were not in a wheelchair, no one would pay any attention to him. He's offered almost nothing new to the world of science beyond a lot of Sagan-escque "gee whiz."

Einstein and others have invoked the name of God for lack of a better term and I approve of this usage to refer to the universe as a whole. The laws of physics will not bend to anyone's wishes, and in that way they are God-like.

It's the screwballs who think an "equation" underlies things that bug me...equations are very crude compared to the complexity that is nature. Nature blows equations away...equations do their best to approximate nature's behavior, and as such they are constantly revised as new aspects of nature are discovered (such as Einstein revised much of Netwon). To put equations above nature is pure hubris.

A real scientist has some fucking humility.

Aerogram said:

You said "Quite frankly" on purpose, didn't you?

teller said:

That is certainly one man's opinion and we all have the right to believe as we wish.

teller said

In fact Hawking did a lot of groundbreaking work on the structure of "black holes". In particular he showed how they would decay over time. I'm an idiot and even I know this. The rest of what you say is incomprehensible to me.