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Reply #30 posted 08/13/07 6:27am

WillyWonka

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why aren't there any good actors and actors and script writers anymore? sad



Mel Brooks said "Anybody can direct, but there are only eleven good writers."

I don't know exactly when it was that he said the above quote, but probably it was some time ago and those eleven writers have all died.
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Reply #31 posted 08/13/07 6:31am

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wlcm2thdwn said:

why aren't there any good actors and actors and script writers anymore? sad



what about 'dude wheres my car' ??


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Reply #32 posted 08/13/07 6:33am

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LittleSmedley said:

jami0mckay said:




what about 'dude wheres my car' ??


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Reply #33 posted 08/13/07 6:34am

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LittleSmedley said:

jami0mckay said:




what about 'dude wheres my car' ??


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Reply #34 posted 08/13/07 7:23am

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WillyWonka said:

wlcm2thdwn said:

why aren't there any good actors and actors and script writers anymore? sad



Mel Brooks said "Anybody can direct, but there are only eleven good writers."

I don't know exactly when it was that he said the above quote, but probably it was some time ago and those eleven writers have all died.


hmmm talk about a potential good scary movie wink
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Reply #35 posted 08/13/07 7:49am

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There are no more "GOOD" or "GREAT" horror films. But, really, who could you blame, huh? Look at the choices directors and filmmakers of the past/present have had to and still have to deal with. "You gotta use the advanced technology to your advantage. YOU GOTTA USE THE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!!!!" That's all they hear. All of the people behind them and in front of them. Those people keep telling them the same things. So, they take that advice to the grave. The overall evolution of special effects technology doesn't allow for any excitement or give you a chance to make your own idea out of it.

And, I don't mean that we should "STILL" be stuck in the times back when movies like "The Fog" and many other "70's Horror Movies". This type of technological evolution gives a plausible reason for the overall element of surprise that has been snatched away from your television. I'd hate to say this, but, for me, "The 80's" was my favorite year of great horror movies that featured perfect examples of how to use the technology that was available, at the time.

"A Nightmare on Elm Street" (Okay, well, at least the first one "REALLY" was genuinely frightening for me. Overall, though, "Freddie Krueger" was supposed to be and ultimately is seen as maybe the most charismatic leading horror protagonist...."EVER"!!! lol ), "Jason", "Halloween" (With the exception of the third iteration), and the one that ended off "The 80's Horror /ing and -ing Era" within the beginning of it's own series...."Chucky" (Another Charismatic one)! I know I might be rambling on, but I am trying to say that "Horror" has lost it's touch since the early nineties.

Edit: Oh, but I'd like to say one thing different about "The Seventies Horror Movies". If there's one thing for sure, I actuallty think that the work all over "The Exorcist" was really good. And, quite frankly, "The Exorcist" should probably be and most likely is considered the absolute greatest "Horror Film" ever made. Many people would argue and standby that. Sooooo.....
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in that vein, the top horror films for me are (all from the 70's):

The Exorcist
The Shining
Halloween
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre


One of the most unusual horror films was the european film "The Vanishing". that had a very horrible ending. As in, disturbing.

More recently I would say the remake of The Ring was really good. Hostel was funny and horrifying and original.

If you like Dario Argento, David Lynch, and Brian Depalma you will get all the in-jokes and references in the current horror film called "I know Who Killed Me" and might enjoy it (I did). You have to be aware of those three directors works though, or else, you will think the movie is ridiculously bad.
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Reply #36 posted 08/13/07 7:59am

Lothan

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I've been desensitized I guess. Nothing scares me anymore. btw, John Carpenter's The THING is the best horror movie. The Exorcist sucks balls.
Oh my god, The Thing used to give me nightmares.
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Reply #37 posted 08/13/07 8:42am

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Lothan said:

FruitToAttractBears said:

I've been desensitized I guess. Nothing scares me anymore. btw, John Carpenter's The THING is the best horror movie. The Exorcist sucks balls.
Oh my god, The Thing used to give me nightmares.


interesting, I was just watching The Thing (I own the DVD) but I don't find it scary like I used to find The Exorcist. When I saw each for the first time, The Thing was extremely cool (it was a milestone in makeup effects) , but The Exorcist was over powering in it's horrific dread.
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Reply #38 posted 08/13/07 9:50am

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I totally agree. I downloaded....I mean.....went to see SKINWALKERS. It's about Werewolves. Ehhhh. It was just okay. Not scary at all. I just wanted to see my man JASON BEHR. Thank God they had a booty shot or the whole movie would've went straight to hell, but I digress.

The werewolves were very Lon Chaney.
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Reply #39 posted 08/13/07 10:27am

JediTodd

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there's one called the "Invasion" i think, with Nicole Kidman that looks interesting. but i tend to like the psychological thrillers.

It's yet another remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. confused

I won't be going. hmph!
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Reply #40 posted 08/13/07 10:29am

Lothan

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CHIC0 said:

there's one called the "Invasion" i think, with Nicole Kidman that looks interesting. but i tend to like the psychological thrillers.

It's yet another remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. confused

I won't be going. hmph!
Me either. barf
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Reply #41 posted 08/13/07 10:38am

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Lothan said:

JediTodd said:


It's yet another remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. confused

I won't be going. hmph!
Me either. barf

I almost typed it out to be Invasion of the Body Snatches before realizing my spelling mistake. Now that I might actually see. lol
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Reply #42 posted 08/13/07 10:39am

Lothan

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Lothan said:

Me either. barf

I almost typed it out to be Invasion of the Body Snatches before realizing my spelling mistake. Now that I might actually see. lol
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Reply #43 posted 08/13/07 11:24am

MIGUELGOMEZ

JediTodd said:

CHIC0 said:

there's one called the "Invasion" i think, with Nicole Kidman that looks interesting. but i tend to like the psychological thrillers.

It's yet another remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. confused

I won't be going. hmph!



Yep another remake. Damn-it!!!!!
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Reply #44 posted 08/13/07 11:57am

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Movies that freak me out on a psychological level tend to be ultimately more satisfying than gore films or movies that stereotypically go for the 'jump out of your seat' scare tactics.

I thought The Ring was exceptionally good in that department. If you're alone and it's late at night, you might try watching The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
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Reply #45 posted 08/13/07 12:05pm

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IMO the reason there aren't any good ones anymore is the dreaded PG-13 rating. the sacrficing of a true horror flick doesn't need 2 b gore related, but have the elements of scenes like marathon man (how many didn't want 2 go 2 the dentist after seeing that), these cheap remakes like when a stranger calls. try seeing the original (as a kid, i couldn't b left in the house alone 4 awhile afterwards).

the other possible reason is, the numerous sequels in the 80's that turned a true horror movie in2 a comedy laugh fest. A nightmare on elm st became a vehicle 4 u'r cherring on Freddy 2 kill these kids instead of being terrified of what he would do 2 them. (WELCOME 2 PRIME TIME BITCH!!).Let's not even go there with Jason (seek out pt 7 with the girl in the sleeping bag), the halloween series...wasn't scary after pt 2. the final destination series became entertaining on seeing how they would get sliced instead of death's path of destruction.

i belive that once we get back 2 good R rated horror flicks, with a good script, the genre has lost it's edge
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Reply #46 posted 08/13/07 1:53pm

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because suspense has been replaced by gore, scares have been replaced by gross-outs, and tension of upcoming scare has been replaced by torture porn.
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Reply #47 posted 08/13/07 2:04pm

Teacher

There are... they're called documentaries.
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Reply #48 posted 08/13/07 2:10pm

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Teacher said:

There are... they're called documentaries.


hell yes.

you want to be scared? see "jesus camp"
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Reply #49 posted 08/13/07 2:11pm

Teacher

cborgman said:

Teacher said:

There are... they're called documentaries.


hell yes.

you want to be scared? see "jesus camp"


I did... that shit left me sleepless. neutral
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Reply #50 posted 08/13/07 2:18pm

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The Descent and 28 Weeks Later were really good horror/terror films!
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Reply #51 posted 08/13/07 2:27pm

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cborgman said:

because suspense has been replaced by gore, scares have been replaced by gross-outs, and tension of upcoming scare has been replaced by torture porn.


Co-Sign.

There's a glut of poorly written B horror movies, and the ones that DO make it to the mainstream are usually not that scary anyway.

If I want scary, I'll fire up my PS2 and play those Silent Hill video games. They're scary as hell sometimes and it's not like I'm passively sitting by and waiting for something to happen.
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Reply #52 posted 08/13/07 2:27pm

WillyWonka

cborgman said:

because suspense has been replaced by gore, scares have been replaced by gross-outs, and tension of upcoming scare has been replaced by torture porn.



Just wanted to see the above quoted and repeated, because cborgman's comment is precisely right. biggrin

Simplicity is often better (and more effective), and most "horror" films these days don't subscribe to that philosophy.
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Reply #53 posted 08/13/07 2:27pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

cborgman said:

because suspense has been replaced by gore, scares have been replaced by gross-outs, and tension of upcoming scare has been replaced by torture porn.


Co-Sign.

There's a glut of poorly written B horror movies, and the ones that DO make it to the mainstream are usually not that scary anyway.

If I want scary, I'll fire up my PS2 and play those Silent Hill video games. They're scary as hell sometimes and it's not like I'm passively sitting by and waiting for something to happen.


silent hill and resident evil games never fail to get at least a few jumps out of me.
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Reply #54 posted 08/13/07 2:28pm

WillyWonka

jami0mckay said:

FruitToAttractBears said:

I've been desensitized I guess. Nothing scares me anymore. btw, John Carpenter's The THING is the best horror movie. The Exorcist sucks balls.


I forgot a about that one, the bit where the thing had a human head and spiders legs freaked me out for ages eek



That scene gave me nightmares for days afterwards when I was a kid!
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Reply #55 posted 08/13/07 2:29pm

JediTodd

The best Hollywood can come up with are remakes...supposedly. Very few have any original ideas anymore. confused
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Reply #56 posted 08/13/07 2:30pm

Teacher

cborgman said:

guitarslinger44 said:



Co-Sign.

There's a glut of poorly written B horror movies, and the ones that DO make it to the mainstream are usually not that scary anyway.

If I want scary, I'll fire up my PS2 and play those Silent Hill video games. They're scary as hell sometimes and it's not like I'm passively sitting by and waiting for something to happen.


silent hill and resident evil games never fail to get at least a few jumps out of me.


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Reply #57 posted 08/13/07 2:30pm

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WillyWonka said:

cborgman said:

because suspense has been replaced by gore, scares have been replaced by gross-outs, and tension of upcoming scare has been replaced by torture porn.



Just wanted to see the above quoted and repeated, because cborgman's comment is precisely right. biggrin

Simplicity is often better (and more effective), and most "horror" films these days don't subscribe to that philosophy.


thank you. smile

i despise this new wave of "torture porn" horror movies that has become the norm as of late. i thought the first "saw" was clever, but it ended up breeding an entire genre that is nothing more than paying to see a legal snuff film.

it disturbs me, and it generally makes for really lousy horror movies.
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Reply #58 posted 08/13/07 2:35pm

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cborgman said:

WillyWonka said:




Just wanted to see the above quoted and repeated, because cborgman's comment is precisely right. biggrin

Simplicity is often better (and more effective), and most "horror" films these days don't subscribe to that philosophy.


thank you. smile

i despise this new wave of "torture porn" horror movies that has become the norm as of late. i thought the first "saw" was clever, but it ended up breeding an entire genre that is nothing more than paying to see a legal snuff film.

it disturbs me, and it generally makes for really lousy horror movies.
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I agree actually. I didnt' even think the first Saw movie was all that good. I was actually kinda disappointed to see Cary Elwes and Danny Glover, who are both excellent actors, starring in a lame ass movie like that. It's not even that scary, but more gory, and that in and of itself isn't scary. If I wanted to see that, I'd hook up a POlice scanner and go murder scene hopping.
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I just started that 4th Silent Hill game, and it freaks me out! All these ghosts of murder victims walking around...and you can't kill them either! razz
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Reply #59 posted 08/13/07 2:39pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

cborgman said:



thank you. smile

i despise this new wave of "torture porn" horror movies that has become the norm as of late. i thought the first "saw" was clever, but it ended up breeding an entire genre that is nothing more than paying to see a legal snuff film.

it disturbs me, and it generally makes for really lousy horror movies.
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I agree actually. I didnt' even think the first Saw movie was all that good. I was actually kinda disappointed to see Cary Elwes and Danny Glover, who are both excellent actors, starring in a lame ass movie like that. It's not even that scary, but more gory, and that in and of itself isn't scary. If I wanted to see that, I'd hook up a POlice scanner and go murder scene hopping.
confused

I just started that 4th Silent Hill game, and it freaks me out! All these ghosts of murder victims walking around...and you can't kill them either! razz


yea, i agree about hese movies being like murder scene hopping.

i liked the first saw. i totally figured out the ending halfway through, but i still thought the way all the elements tied together was well-written and clever. it was a horror movie that had a bit more going on upstairs than most horror movies.

but i hate the impact it has had where now these films are just legal snuff films. they barely have any plot, it's just about seeing people killed in realistic and torturous ways.
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