evenstar3 said:

I agree - I believe that if you're really talented with words you can put any- and everything into it to make everybody understand and feel it too. Those, for me, are the ones who write stories that make me ache to be in their world.

mdiver said:

humans tend to often times so very much that what they about may seem to become petty in the ears/eyes of the listener. Wether that's about happiness - love - hate - judgement - whatever

All I know is, I usually encourage people to post on my threads, but in this case I don't think your services are required, Mr. M Diver.

Fauxie said:

watchit buddy

mdiver said:

Your crap thread is so going to beat mine.

Mach said:

Yes.

Fauxie said:

Hey ....this is not a crap thread....this is genius

mdiver said:

1-0

My thread understands it is not genius.

Fauxie said:

However i do feel there is a market for both of them here on the org. We are aiming at a different demographic dont you think?

AndGodCreatedMe said:

mdiver said:

Wait. Did Dani leave the org again?

Fauxie said:

Nah she was in yesterday. The problem you have there is that she thinks and creates so there really is NOTHING that she has thought better of. However this thread would be like tumbleweed to her.....sitting looking and nothing

mdiver said:

No, it's all relative. I can just imagine the threads she thought better of.

Fauxie said:

The worrying thing was i HELPED her with some of the worst like "A picture of my mums beaver" That was the title i gave her

mdiver said:

That's a good title though, regardless of demographic.

mdiver said:

stick that rose in a place where the sun doesn't shine pfff

Fauxie said:

evenstar3 said:

Except that the first part of the paraphrased bit has nothing whatever in common with what Shakespeare was conveying.

But by all means...let's dumb everything down.

Let's look at the entire exchange. Romeo speaks first:

Ah, Juliet, if the measure of thy joy
Be heap'd like mine and that thy skill be more
To blazon it, then sweeten with thy breath
This neighbour air, and let rich music's tongue
Unfold the imagined happiness that both
Receive in either by this dear encounter.

You want it in "modern English?" Fine. He's saying, "Dude -- how cool is this? I am so happy right now. But you're better with words than I am -- so why don't you say how we're both feeling?"

And she says, "Dude -- no way. I am...like...so totally in love with you right now, I can't even go there."

Better?

Genesia said:

OOOOOKKKKK

Actually IMHO you are talking bollocks but each to their own

It isn't bollocks -- it's what they're saying. Paraphrased, of course -- which is perfectly all right.

This is Act 2, Scene 6 of Romeo and Juliet. It takes place in Friar Laurence's cell -- where Romeo and Juliet have arranged to be married in secret. Romeo gets there first, and in a bit of foreshadowing, Romeo tells the friar that it doesn't matter what hell there might be to pay for what they are about to do -- the sheer elation that he feels in his love for Juliet makes it worth it. Friar Laurance tells him to simmer down -- "love moderately."

Juliet arrives and she and Romeo profess their love for each other (see above) before Friar Laurence leads them away to perform the ceremony, saying they "shall not stay alone" (ie, sleep together) until they're married.

Genesia said:

does it make you feel better to act superior? the original paraphrasing isn't completely off, so don't pretend that it is. it's my understanding that this thread wasn't to discuss the play itself but rather the emotions behind the quote.

What the FUCK are yous talking about?????

I TOTALLY think this thread is gay, for one.....

and then I don't know HOW or WHY or WHAT muff and fauxie are saying about me....

But what I THINK just happened is that muff is talking shit about my threads, and fauxie is sticking up for me????

Or no??

evenstar3 said:

I don't think respecting the artistry of Shakespeare is "acting superior." (People'd be all over my ass if I came in here paraphrasing...say...Prince!) It makes me sad beyond measure that everything has to be reduced to the lowest common denominator.

How can you discuss a "quote" from a play without discussing the play? The emotions come from the text -- from the situation the characters find themselves in. You can't just pull out one "not completely off" kindasorta quote (absent of context) and pretend that it contains emotion in and of itself. If the quotation isn't accurate -- and taken in context -- then the emotions evoked by it are contrived and the person feeling them has been manipulated.

That is what you should be insulted by -- not by the person who points it out.

Genesia said:

gosh, how i love intellectual posturing on the internet. yes, shakespeare's lovely, but he isn't god. words contain whatever emotion the reader attaches to them. it's really not your place to decide what is and isn't valid in that respect.

if you want to start a thread discussing the quotes strictly within the work's context, then by all means do it.

evenstar3 said:

Oh Fuck!Am I missing a fight on here too?
What is happening.
Someone explain it!

evenstar3 said:

I didn't say Shakespeare was God. All I have said in this thread is that if you want to discuss what Shakespeare wrote, then you should discuss the actual text -- not some hackneyed Cliffs Notes paraphrasing of it.

That is the point -- and it's a fairly obvious one.

If the author of this thread had simply posted a quotation without trying to fob it off as Shakespeare, which is isn't -- even as a paraphrase -- then the words would have stood on their own.
[Edited 8/1/07 12:13pm]

Genesia said:

OOOOOHHHHH OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!

What so ya have to say about that Laurel?!?!?!?

TotalANXiousNESS said:

you're having way too much fun with this.

and genesia, that's why the word paraphrased is in the title.

This is stoopid.

When we get Shakespeare in the GD you've got to remember we're talking org-wise. There's no credit being given out here, except maybe for slutty pictures where forms of credit can certainly be arranged.