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Reply #120 posted 07/28/07 3:01pm

shanti0608

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

shanti0608 said:

here's another compound most of us consume:

Caffeine is a chemical compound found naturally in such foods as coffee beans, tea, cacao beans (chocolate), kola nuts, maté, and guarana. It is well known for its characteristic, intensely bitter taste, and as a stimulant of the central nervous system, heart, and respiration. It is also a diuretic. It is added to some soft drinks such as colas and Mountain Dew.

Chemical properties

The Caffeine molecule is an alkaloid of the methylxanthine family, which also includes the similar compounds theophylline and theobromine. In its pure state it is an intensely bitter white powder. Its chemical formula is C8H10N4O2, its systematic name is 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine or 3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione, and its structure is shown to the right.
Physical properties

Pure caffeine occurs as odorless, white, fleecy masses, glistening needles or powder.

BOILING POINT:
178 °C (sublimes)
MELTING POINT: 238 °C
SPECIFIC GRAVITY: 1.2
VOLATILITY:
0.5%
VAPOR PRESSURE: 760 mm Hg @ 178 °C
pH: 6.9 (1% solution)
SOLUBILITY
IN WATER: 2.17%
VAPOR DENSITY: 6.7
MOLECULAR WEIGHT: 194.19

Sources

One dose of caffeine is generally considered to be 100 mg, delivered by one 5 fl oz / 1.5 dl cup of drip coffee or one caffeine tablet. Real-world coffee varies considerably in caffeine content per cup, from about 75 - 250 mg. Tea and cola contain somewhat less caffeine per serving than coffee, while yerba mate contains significantly more.

The amount of caffeine in some common consumables is approximately as follows:

* Chocolate Milk - 3-6 mg per ounce (100 - 210 mg per kg)
* Chocolate, bittersweet - 25 mg per ounce (875 mg per kg)
* Cocoa - 0.5 mg per ounce (17 mg per litre)
* Coffee, brewed (drip) - 4-20 mg per ounce (130 - 680 mg per litre)
* Coffee, instant - 4-12 mg per ounce (130 - 400 mg per litre)
* Coffee, decaffeinated - 0.4-0.6 mg per ounce (13 - 20 mg per litre)
* Energy drink - 10 mg per ounce (340 mg per litre). Some countries cap the caffeine content at 135 mg per litre.
* Espresso - 100 mg per ounce (3400 mg per litre)
* Soft drink (caffeinated) - 3-8 mg per ounce (100 - 270 mg per litre)
* Caffeine pills - 200 mg (100 mg in many countries within EU)
* Black tea, brewed (USA) - 2.5-11 mg per ounce (85 - 370 mg per litre)
* Black tea, brewed (other) - 3-14 mg per ounce (100 - 470 mg per litre)
* Tea, instant - 3.5 mg per ounce (120 mg per litre)
* Tea, canned iced - 2-3 mg per ounce (70 - 100 mg per litre)
* Yerba maté, cured herb - 280-425 mg per ounce

In the European Union, a warning must be placed on packaging if the caffeine content of any beverage exceeds 150 mg per litre. This includes caffeine from any source (including guarana, which is often found in energy drinks). Caffeine is in many countries classified as a flavouring.

Mechanism of Action

The caffeine molecule is thought to act by blocking adenosine receptors on the surface of cells. This thereby blocks a pathway leading to breakdown of cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP). The usual effect of adenosine in nerve cells is to inhibit nerve conduction by inhibiting post-synaptic potentials. The caffeine molecule, being structurally similar to adenosine, binds to the same receptors but does not stimulate them, thereby decreasing the adenosine action. The resulting increased nerve activity causes the release of the hormone epinephrine (adrenaline), which in turn leads to several effects such as higher heart rate, increased blood pressure, increased blood flow to muscles, decreased blood flow to the skin and inner organs, and release of glucose by the liver. It also increases the levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the brain, similar to amphetamines. Other purported mechanisms of action of the caffeine molecule include mobilisation of intracellular calcium and inhibition of specific phosphodiesterases, however these only occur at high non-physiological concentrations.

Metabolism and toxicology

Caffeine is quickly and completely removed from the brain and, unlike other CNS stimulants or alcohol, its effects are short lived. In addition, caffeine does not negatively affect concentration or higher mental functions, and hence caffeinated drinks are often consumed in the course of work.

Continued consumption of caffeine can lead to tolerance. Upon withdrawal, the body becomes oversensitive to adenosine, causing the blood pressure to drop dramatically, leading to headache and other symptoms. Recent studies suggest that caffeine intake (in coffee) may decrease the risk of developing Parkinson's disease, but additional study is needed.

Too much caffeine can lead to caffeine intoxication. The symptoms of this disorder are restlessness, nervousness, excitement, insomnia, flushed face, diuresis, and gastrointestial complaints. They can occur in some people after as little as 250 mg/d. More than 1 g/d may result in muscle twitching, rambling flow of thought and speech, cardiac arrhythmia, and psychomotor agitation. Caffeine intoxication can lead to symptoms similar to panic disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. The LD50 is estimated to be about 192 mg/kg of body mass, or about 72 cups of coffee for an average adult.
[Edited 7/28/07 4:39am]



OH MY GAAAAAWWWWWDDDDD!!!!!

You just had to drag caffeine into this didnt you!






falloff


Sorry....I just could not let myself come off here as squeaky clean. I do enjoy caffeine.
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Reply #121 posted 07/28/07 3:03pm

vanessabfly

Yes.The hemp industry was a threat to the tobacco and the cotton industries. Therefore, a campaign was started (circa 1937)to instill fear in the public. The word 'marijuana' replaced the more common term'hemp'. The plant itself is very beneficial. Hemp is a fantastic source of textiles, paper, fuels, protein, and non-toxic medicines.

Mars23 said:

Here's a nugget for discussion as alot of people on the org enjoy smoking cigarettes, but I would imaging they are enlightened to the dangers of that activity.

Pot is a schedule 1 controlled substance in the United States. In law school I studied health issues in the law and one of the topics was cigarettes. We found that cigarettes meet more of the criteria for a schedule 1 controlled substance than pot does. The major difference? Tobacco was a major industry in the US with enough money to have the competetion made and kept illegal. Discuss.
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Reply #122 posted 07/28/07 4:33pm

shanti0608

vanessabfly said:

Yes.The hemp industry was a threat to the tobacco and the cotton industries. Therefore, a campaign was started (circa 1937)to instill fear in the public. The word 'marijuana' replaced the more common term'hemp'. The plant itself is very beneficial. Hemp is a fantastic source of textiles, paper, fuels, protein, and non-toxic medicines.

Mars23 said:

Here's a nugget for discussion as alot of people on the org enjoy smoking cigarettes, but I would imaging they are enlightened to the dangers of that activity.

Pot is a schedule 1 controlled substance in the United States. In law school I studied health issues in the law and one of the topics was cigarettes. We found that cigarettes meet more of the criteria for a schedule 1 controlled substance than pot does. The major difference? Tobacco was a major industry in the US with enough money to have the competetion made and kept illegal. Discuss.




Hemp is very useful!!!!!


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Reply #123 posted 07/28/07 5:08pm

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:




it's the same everywhere.....I'm curious for your findings here in Europe after the first 6 months spent.....I notice that you're quite 'negative' about your homecountry now that you've made the decision to move to the UK!



I guess that goes to show exactly how well you know Valory. If you had bothered to know her by either reading her in P+R or actually knowing her beyond the limited interaction you have had then you would have known her stance on the US and on the pot issue. Her feelings on the US and this issue have been the same since way before i even knew her but snap judgements in a place like this are easy to make i guess. Your feelings on issues like this are not the be all and end all, each country and each situation is different. peace


Dude, please don't get all defensive on me.....I have never claimed that I know Valory, neither did I attack her.....anyhow, this is a public forum, I'm just reacting on stuff I read.....mostly without knowing the person behind (some exceptions, you happen to be one of them!).

Anyways, I'm gonna abandon this discussion in a while, as I feel it won;t ever lead to a conclusion.....

wink
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Reply #124 posted 07/28/07 5:10pm

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:




I'm about to leave for the golfcourse, to get my ass kicked by.....:



cool


Jeans on a golf course?????

Fuckin' outrageous.....that should not be allowed no no no!




Like I've told tou earlier, the dutch are tolerant.....after that, there's no way back! And who's gonna protest a girl like her??? hmm



Anyways, she's has kicked my ass on the course today..... confused
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Reply #125 posted 07/28/07 5:18pm

abierman

jimmypageisapedo said:

abierman said:



Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot.....

I choose the latter!


lol lol lol

I have lived in amsterdam. You talk nonsense

PSYCHOTICS; lol lol lol lol
Ignorance



I know you're profile is deleted.....I will still state this:

You, as a foreigner who has lived here, will never understand the true sentiment on marihuana of the majority of the dutch people.....you just come here and enjoy the tolerance our government provides and then leave.....we are left with the shit it leaves behind.....
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Reply #126 posted 07/28/07 5:19pm

shanti0608

abierman said:

mdiver said:




I guess that goes to show exactly how well you know Valory. If you had bothered to know her by either reading her in P+R or actually knowing her beyond the limited interaction you have had then you would have known her stance on the US and on the pot issue. Her feelings on the US and this issue have been the same since way before i even knew her but snap judgements in a place like this are easy to make i guess. Your feelings on issues like this are not the be all and end all, each country and each situation is different. peace


Dude, please don't get all defensive on me.....I have never claimed that I know Valory, neither did I attack her.....anyhow, this is a public forum, I'm just reacting on stuff I read.....mostly without knowing the person behind (some exceptions, you happen to be one of them!).

Anyways, I'm gonna abandon this discussion in a while, as I feel it won;t ever lead to a conclusion.....

wink
[Edited 7/28/07 17:11pm]



Both of you have the same views on pot anyways..it is all good.


This is what Phil wears golfing:

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Reply #127 posted 07/28/07 5:22pm

abierman

shanti0608 said:

abierman said:



Dude, please don't get all defensive on me.....I have never claimed that I know Valory, neither did I attack her.....anyhow, this is a public forum, I'm just reacting on stuff I read.....mostly without knowing the person behind (some exceptions, you happen to be one of them!).

Anyways, I'm gonna abandon this discussion in a while, as I feel it won;t ever lead to a conclusion.....

wink
[Edited 7/28/07 17:11pm]



Both of you have the same views on pot anyways..it is all good.


This is what Phil wears golfing:




pic ain't showing..... lol


would love to play a round of golf with that sucka! nod
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Reply #128 posted 07/28/07 5:23pm

shanti0608

abierman said:

shanti0608 said:




Both of you have the same views on pot anyways..it is all good.


This is what Phil wears golfing:




pic ain't showing..... lol


would love to play a round of golf with that sucka! nod




Really.. I can see it confuse

It is a man in plaid knickers giggle

http://tbarryknickers.com...c_mens.png
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Reply #129 posted 07/29/07 2:16am

mdiver

abierman said:

mdiver said:



Jeans on a golf course?????

Fuckin' outrageous.....that should not be allowed no no no!




Like I've told tou earlier, the dutch are tolerant.....after that, there's no way back! And who's gonna protest a girl like her??? hmm



Anyways, she's has kicked my ass on the course today..... confused


BTW she is over rotating too wink i will bet she pushes right or hits a heavy fade wink
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Reply #130 posted 07/29/07 3:00am

reneGade20

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2the9s said:

2the9s said:



neutral


Anyway, not knowing anything about this study other than what is posted here, it seems pretty irresponsible to be suggesting a link without knowing whether it exists. Is this a reputable study? Peer reviewed etc.?

Sounds like it's proaganda against drug use, and it potentially clouds (no pun intended) the serious issue of psychosis, mental illnes and its causes and such etc.

But like I said that's a gut reaction to this brief posting.



You took the words right out of my mouth....the statement I had the most issue was this one:

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis but there could be something else about marijuana users that lead to the psychoses.



The fact that they couldn't should've tempered the release of the declaration that weed causes it...in statistics its known as a spurious correlation...

...for the record, I've never experienced a psychotic episode and I smoked for a long time....
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Reply #131 posted 07/29/07 3:42am

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:





Like I've told tou earlier, the dutch are tolerant.....after that, there's no way back! And who's gonna protest a girl like her??? hmm



Anyways, she's has kicked my ass on the course today..... confused


BTW she is over rotating too wink i will bet she pushes right or hits a heavy fade wink



Dude, WHO CARES????? wacky
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Reply #132 posted 07/29/07 4:18am

mdiver

abierman said:

mdiver said:



BTW she is over rotating too wink i will bet she pushes right or hits a heavy fade wink



Dude, WHO CARES????? wacky


Well that depends if you wanna beat her or hump her razz
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Reply #133 posted 07/29/07 4:19am

shanti0608

reneGade20 said:[quote]

2the9s said:




You took the words right out of my mouth....the statement I had the most issue was this one:

The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis but there could be something else about marijuana users that lead to the psychoses.



The fact that they couldn't should've tempered the release of the declaration that weed causes it...in statistics its known as a spurious correlation...

...for the record, I've never experienced a psychotic episode and I smoked for a long time....
[Edited 7/29/07 3:05am]




Like I have said a couple times on this thread- I think it has more to do with the number of ppl that smoke pot- there is a very high number out there that do. They are doctors, lawyers, politicians, musicians, all types of ppl. From professionals to blue collared ppl.

My work involves studying the effects of medications and many times we have ppl that report side effects like headaches which more times than not were NOT caused by the medication yet we still have to report as a possible side effect.

so saying marijuana causes psychosis is a general unfounded statement. I just wanted to see what my fellow orgers thought.


peace!
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Reply #134 posted 07/29/07 4:45am

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:




Dude, WHO CARES????? wacky


Well that depends if you wanna beat her or hump her razz




thought I told you, Phil.....I'm a lover, not a fighter! lol
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Reply #135 posted 07/29/07 4:46am

mdiver

abierman said:

mdiver said:



Well that depends if you wanna beat her or hump her razz




thought I told you, Phil.....I'm a lover, not a fighter! lol


falloff
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Reply #136 posted 07/29/07 4:47am

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:





thought I told you, Phil.....I'm a lover, not a fighter! lol


falloff



cool
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Reply #137 posted 07/29/07 4:49am

mdiver

abierman said:

mdiver said:



falloff



cool


thumbs up!
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Reply #138 posted 07/29/07 4:58am

Justin1972UK

Radar Magazine currently has an interesting article on how to hide your stash from the cops: http://www.radarmagazine....exas_1.php

As for me, I've tried pot and didn't like it. I don't need drugs in my life - well, other than ciggies, I mean. I could live without alchohol, caffeine or analgesics, so long as I have my nicotine.
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Reply #139 posted 07/29/07 4:59am

reneGade20

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shanti0608 said:

reneGade20 said:




The fact that they couldn't should've tempered the release of the declaration that weed causes it...in statistics its known as a spurious correlation...

...for the record, I've never experienced a psychotic episode and I smoked for a long time....
[Edited 7/29/07 3:05am]




Like I have said a couple times on this thread- I think it has more to do with the number of ppl that smoke pot- there is a very high number out there that do. They are doctors, lawyers, politicians, musicians, all types of ppl. From professionals to blue collared ppl.

My work involves studying the effects of medications and many times we have ppl that report side effects like headaches which more times than not were NOT caused by the medication yet we still have to report as a possible side effect.

so saying marijuana causes psychosis is a general unfounded statement. I just wanted to see what my fellow orgers thought.


peace!


I'm thinkin' that all this talk of doobs and spliffs has me craving some munchies....weed

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Reply #140 posted 07/29/07 5:07am

shanti0608

reneGade20 said:

shanti0608 said:





Like I have said a couple times on this thread- I think it has more to do with the number of ppl that smoke pot- there is a very high number out there that do. They are doctors, lawyers, politicians, musicians, all types of ppl. From professionals to blue collared ppl.

My work involves studying the effects of medications and many times we have ppl that report side effects like headaches which more times than not were NOT caused by the medication yet we still have to report as a possible side effect.

so saying marijuana causes psychosis is a general unfounded statement. I just wanted to see what my fellow orgers thought.


peace!


I'm thinkin' that all this talk of doobs and spliffs has me craving some munchies....weed

wave




wave

Yes me too... I have the munchies without the weed. I think I am stress eating
hug mad
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Reply #141 posted 07/29/07 5:08am

shanti0608

Justin1972UK said:

Radar Magazine currently has an interesting article on how to hide your stash from the cops: http://www.radarmagazine....exas_1.php

As for me, I've tried pot and didn't like it. I don't need drugs in my life - well, other than ciggies, I mean. I could live without alchohol, caffeine or analgesics, so long as I have my nicotine.



I guess we all have our vices.... wink
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Reply #142 posted 07/29/07 5:12am

abierman

shanti0608 said:

Justin1972UK said:

Radar Magazine currently has an interesting article on how to hide your stash from the cops: http://www.radarmagazine....exas_1.php

As for me, I've tried pot and didn't like it. I don't need drugs in my life - well, other than ciggies, I mean. I could live without alchohol, caffeine or analgesics, so long as I have my nicotine.



I guess we all have our vices.... wink





cool
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Reply #143 posted 07/29/07 5:13am

shanti0608

abierman said:

shanti0608 said:




I guess we all have our vices.... wink





cool



lol
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Reply #144 posted 07/29/07 5:25am

reneGade20

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shanti0608 said:



wave

Yes me too... I have the munchies without the weed. I think I am stress eating
hug mad


I remember those days clearly....even though its been at least 15 years since I last puffed a phatty.....my must have munch was a triple meat roast beef with gravy poboy (hoagies or heroes to all you non-New Orleanians...giggle)....drooling
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Reply #145 posted 07/29/07 5:31am

shanti0608

reneGade20 said:

shanti0608 said:



wave

Yes me too... I have the munchies without the weed. I think I am stress eating
hug mad


I remember those days clearly....even though its been at least 15 years since I last puffed a phatty.....my must have munch was a triple meat roast beef with gravy poboy (hoagies or heroes to all you non-New Orleanians...giggle)....drooling


STOP IT! You are making me hungry! drool I am currently craving Thai food.
mad
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Reply #146 posted 07/29/07 7:10am

mrdespues

This has been known about for years - this
is just one in a LONG LINE of similar studies.

.. like it says, there's no clear proof, but
definitely the evidence seems to suggest
that if you do a lot of it, you
run the risk of imbalancing your
brain functioning. Also, some
people are more susceptible to
mental illnesses as a result of
doing drugs than others.

Personally, I think it's really a no-brainer, pardon the pun. razz

However, in small doses cannabis and tobacco
are actually natural anti-psychotics, didja know?

Anyway, I don't think it's
"anti-drug" propoganda...
...rather, I think these studies help
to shed light on the very real complications which
CAN occur from prolonged use.

Now I sometimes wonder if they're doing
similar tests on current anti-psychotic
medications etc, though... ?


Seems like altering brain chemisty for a prolonged
length of time with ANYTHING isn't great.
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Reply #147 posted 07/29/07 7:17am

shanti0608

mrdespues said:

This has been known about for years - this
is just one in a LONG LINE of similar studies.

.. like it says, there's no clear proof, but
definitely the evidence seems to suggest
that if you do a lot of it, you
run the risk of imbalancing your
brain functioning. Also, some
people are more susceptible to
mental illnesses as a result of
doing drugs than others.

Personally, I think it's really a no-brainer, pardon the pun. razz

However, in small doses cannabis and tobacco
are actually natural anti-psychotics, didja know?

Anyway, I don't think it's
"anti-drug" propoganda...
...rather, I think these studies help
to shed light on the very real complications which
CAN occur from prolonged use.

Now I sometimes wonder if they're doing
similar tests on current anti-psychotic
medications etc, though... ?


Seems like altering brain chemisty for a prolonged
length of time with ANYTHING isn't great.



I guess everything within moderation is key.
They are studying the anti-psychotic drugs- currently at work we are doing just that but it is a long process and it is always hard to know if it is something pre-exisiting or drug related.
I wish they would do more studies to determine exactly what certain ppl are missing or have too much of and just adjust that one thing. Now we just guess and it can be a long process of elimination for most.
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Reply #148 posted 08/01/07 6:07am

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I have a really hard time believeing this.

Actually I wish I could find the pot thread that was here when I first reopened my account...bacause there was a lot I wanted to say on it.

Anyways. I think drunks are worse than pot heads.

But I have issues with pot heads to.

Smoking up is fine on occasion, but the regular wake n bakers. (I mean adults not 20 somethings) I have issues with that too.

Its fine when your 20 something and in college, because pot does seem to make you (me) anyways, smarter.

But when your 30 something and your driving your kids to school with your Cheech-ed out eyes, theres a problem.

Psychotic though????

Hmm.
I've reached in darkness and come out with treasure
I layed down with love and I woke up with lies
Whats it all worth only the heart can measure
It's not whats in the mirror but what's left inside
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Reply #149 posted 08/01/07 6:49am

mrdespues

TotalANXiousNESS said:

I have a really hard time believeing this.

Actually I wish I could find the pot thread that was here when I first reopened my account...bacause there was a lot I wanted to say on it.

Anyways. I think drunks are worse than pot heads.

But I have issues with pot heads to.

Smoking up is fine on occasion, but the regular wake n bakers. (I mean adults not 20 somethings) I have issues with that too.

Its fine when your 20 something and in college, because pot does seem to make you (me) anyways, smarter.

But when your 30 something and your driving your kids to school with your Cheech-ed out eyes, theres a problem.

Psychotic though????

Hmm.



Pot makes a person smarter, huh?

lol
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