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Printableabierman said: shanti0608 said: The couple times I smoked it I really did not feel much difference. Never saw the attraction. My life has been effected by pot smokers and alcoholics in negative ways but I still don't clump all drinkers or all pot smokers in the loser category. Guess I am too open minded  oh, the Dutch are openminded too.....that's how we got ourselves in this shit.....and now we can't get out of it anymore! if you have smoked only a couple of times then it's normal that you haven't felt much difference, heavy users turn into zombies.....zombies do not function right in society.....they turn into anti-social individuals, meaning their not able to connect with their environment anymore! Alcoholism is a physical illness, potsmoking addicts mentally.....there you have it. It also reduces the big step to using the socalled hard-drug.....this makes pot a hard-drug to me! I haven't heard of drinkers who start shooting horse to get a better high.....I have seen potsmokers in this situation. Well the person I lived with smoked ALOT - daily..had a great job, very nice house. Never missed a day of work and was one of the most responsible hardest working person I have known. All of the ppl I know here that smoke pot have never tried anything harder actually- they just enjoy pot and all of them are hard workers as well. Guess it depends on where you live.
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shanti0608 said: I really think it has to do with the number of pot smokers out there. Mental illness happens to all sorts of ppl.
I am sure there's a lot of alcoholics that have psychotic episodes as well. With some people it's very easy to narrow down what causes the issue... it's even more extremely easy to narrow it down when someone makes the same mistake over again and ends up with the same result. Every drug, natural or otherwise, has some sort of side effect in a sub-set of users. It's just all down to what percentage of people are effected by it. | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: Forgot to add... when I first came to P.org in 2003- I only posted in P&R and I argued with EWM. AHHHH those were the days!  but we're not argueing, are we??? Nope just saying I miss arguing with EWM about how I am disappointed with this country. I do not feel that because I was born in America that it makes me better than anyone else and I do not believe that I have to be patriotic and not speak out against the government. | |
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jtfolden said: shanti0608 said: I really think it has to do with the number of pot smokers out there. Mental illness happens to all sorts of ppl.
I am sure there's a lot of alcoholics that have psychotic episodes as well. With some people it's very easy to narrow down what causes the issue... it's even more extremely easy to narrow it down when someone makes the same mistake over again and ends up with the same result. Every drug, natural or otherwise, has some sort of side effect in a sub-set of users. It's just all down to what percentage of people are effected by it. True..includes alcohol abuse, substance abuse..... | |
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2the9s said: Very true..."mental illness" is already used as a dubious defense for a lot of things. And that can dilute the actual problem. Right... and since there are no hard studies on the details it's impossible to know who would be truly effected or what the actual link is... It's the same as with anything else, some people can do something their whole lives and never be visibly troubled yet another group can do it once and be smacked on their ass.  and then there's the whole variable of tolerance levels, etc.
For example, my boyfriend got a free handful of Viagra from one of his doctors a few years back. I was curious, so I bit off a bit of one pill, not even a half of one, and 2 hours later had the emergency squad at my door when I turned grey and collapsed just walking down the hall. Not fun at all. I hate to think if I'd tried the whole pill! | |
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shanti0608 said: daily..had a great job, very nice house. Never missed a day of work and was one of the most responsible hardest working person I have known.
Makes you wonder why he needs it, eh? All of the ppl I know here that smoke pot have never tried anything harder actually- they just enjoy pot and all of them are hard workers as well. Guess it depends on where you live.
True, depends maybe where you live, and therefore availabilty.....but still, the threshold is smaller with people who use pot, than with people who don't... I do not agree that alcoholism is just a physical illness.
ok, the illness is physical, the addiction is both physical & mental..... | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: daily..had a great job, very nice house. Never missed a day of work and was one of the most responsible hardest working person I have known.
Makes you wonder why he needs it, eh? True, depends maybe where you live, and therefore availabilty.....but still, the threshold is smaller with people who use pot, than with people who don't... I do not agree that alcoholism is just a physical illness.
ok, the illness is physical, the addiction is both physical & mental..... He was always able to stop whenever needed. It was a bad habit..a crutch. I try not to judge just because I do not enjoy it. | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: ok, the illness is physical, the addiction is both physical & mental..... He was always able to stop whenever needed. It was a bad habit..a crutch. I try not to judge just because I do not enjoy it. I take a crutch as in an addiction? A monkey on his back???  | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: He was always able to stop whenever needed. It was a bad habit..a crutch. I try not to judge just because I do not enjoy it. I take a crutch as in an addiction? A monkey on his back??? A crutch is something to lean on...when you break your leg and you need a crutch to get around. | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: I take a crutch as in an addiction? A monkey on his back??? A crutch is something to lean on...when you break your leg and you need a crutch to get around. I know that... You used it as a metaphore.....could be translated into 'addiction', to lean on..... | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: A crutch is something to lean on...when you break your leg and you need a crutch to get around. I know that... You used it as a metaphore.....could be translated into 'addiction', to lean on.....Oh ok...lol I have a bad habit of chewing my nails and I use it as a crutch...does that make me addicted? | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: I know that... You used it as a metaphore.....could be translated into 'addiction', to lean on.....Oh ok...lol I have a bad habit of chewing my nails and I use it as a crutch...does that make me addicted? in a silly way, it is.....it provides you comfort.... | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: Oh ok...lol I have a bad habit of chewing my nails and I use it as a crutch...does that make me addicted? in a silly way, it is.....it provides you comfort....well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: in a silly way, it is.....it provides you comfort....well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. manicured nails are sexy. just sayin. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: Oh admit it...you love the crack!  | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: in a silly way, it is.....it provides you comfort....well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. ofcourse! | |
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BlackAdder7 said: shanti0608 said: well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. manicured nails are sexy. just sayin. I do not spend money on myself...I just got done colouring my own hair. I have a dog that needs grooming. yes Phil is the girl in this relationship....  | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. ofcourse! heya Aksel!!...where ya been?...which supermodel are you dating? | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: well I always say it is my only bad habit and it is not killing me. I go through spells where I do not need to do it. Maybe it is just a nervous habit. Guess it could be worse. ofcourse! It is anxiety or maybe my job..they grew out on holiday and I have kept some of them. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: abierman said: ofcourse! heya Aksel!!...where ya been?...which supermodel are you dating? I'm about to leave for the golfcourse, to get my ass kicked by.....: 
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BULLSHIT! NO IT DOES NOT!!
do not believe this bs. propaganda! Have a look at this for e.g http://blogs.salon.com/00...legal.html | |
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jimmypageisapedo said: BULLSHIT! NO IT DOES NOT!!
do not believe this bs. propaganda! Have a look at this for e.g http://blogs.salon.com/00...legal.html Thank you for adding your opinion 
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I have smoked pot too in the past and I lived with it growing in my home. I do not agree with doing it and I do not think regular use of it is good for you. Neither is alcohol... hence the reason I created this thread. true, still one can have a beer and still think straight.....with a blunt it's not like that! wow you're ignorant I can smoke an 1/8 in 10 mins and think and act as clear as anyone. Weed does not effect your thoughts whatsoever like alcohol. I used to get stoned before exams and still get b grades without revision. I got stoned in college and did better than most who did not. Do some research and stop believing what you are told | |
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jtfolden said: shanti0608 said: I really think it has to do with the number of pot smokers out there. Mental illness happens to all sorts of ppl.
I am sure there's a lot of alcoholics that have psychotic episodes as well. With some people it's very easy to narrow down what causes the issue... it's even more extremely easy to narrow it down when someone makes the same mistake over again and ends up with the same result. Every drug, natural or otherwise, has some sort of side effect in a sub-set of users. It's just all down to what percentage of people are effected by it. what is a drug? A CHEMICAL COMPOUND. Is a bud from a natural plant a chemical compound? HELL NO! weed has been smoked and eaten for thousands of years by MILLIONS AND MILLIONS oof people http://blogs.salon.com/00...legal.html | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I do not do it but I see why ppl want it to be legalized. Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot..... I choose the latter!
I have lived in amsterdam. You talk nonsense PSYCHOTICS;
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: No I am talking about the rapists that are found guilty but because our jails are overcrowded by ppl that were busted with some pot on them - the rapists get a shorter sentence or set free because the jails are full here in America. it's the same everywhere.....I'm curious for your findings here in Europe after the first 6 months spent.....I notice that you're quite 'negative' about your homecountry now that you've made the decision to move to the UK! I guess that goes to show exactly how well you know Valory. If you had bothered to know her by either reading her in P+R or actually knowing her beyond the limited interaction you have had then you would have known her stance on the US and on the pot issue. Her feelings on the US and this issue have been the same since way before i even knew her but snap judgements in a place like this are easy to make i guess. Your feelings on issues like this are not the be all and end all, each country and each situation is different.  | |
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This debate will always be the same stoners saying no negative effects and non users pointing out the physical,mental and social damage. It is the same with alcohol,tobacco and a multitude of other issues. | |
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mdiver said: This debate will always be the same stoners saying no negative effects and non users pointing out the physical,mental and social damage. It is the same with alcohol,tobacco and a multitude of other issues.
True..... I guess I just get tired of the sweeping generalisations that ppl make about any group of ppl I guess. I know we all do it. I guess it goes back to hating labels. Not everyone fits neatly into a box. I just feel like in America the war on drugs is a joke and it has costs tax payers a lot of money and has done very little to stop drug use. Just my opinion...
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shanti0608 said: mdiver said: This debate will always be the same stoners saying no negative effects and non users pointing out the physical,mental and social damage. It is the same with alcohol,tobacco and a multitude of other issues.
True..... I guess I just get tired of the sweeping generalisations that ppl make about any group of ppl I guess. I know we all do it. I guess it goes back to hating labels. Not everyone fits neatly into a box. I just feel like in America the war on drugs is a joke and it has costs tax payers a lot of money and has done very little to stop drug use. Just my opinion...
the war on drugs is a fabricated pr stunt. There is no intention to stop people using drugs. BILLIONS Are made from drugs. Think about it; do some research; wake up people. | |
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