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PrintableZombieKitten said: 2the9s said: How old was she when it happened? 23 maybe? it scared the shit out of all of us, especially since we didn't know until AFTER that she was the biggest stoner for several years Not that i know jack crack about this but I wonder if it is possible that is something they put on the leaves like pesticide or God knows what that causes the problem? | |
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2the9s said: 2the9s said:  Anyway, not knowing anything about this study other than what is posted here, it seems pretty irresponsible to be suggesting a link without knowing whether it exists. Is this a reputable study? Peer reviewed etc.? Sounds like it's proaganda against drug use, and it potentially clouds (no pun intended) the serious issue of psychosis, mental illnes and its causes and such etc. But like I said that's a gut reaction to this brief posting. Sounds like they are implying it certainly happeneds but perhaps the users have something else in common that they have not ruled out.... anywayyyyy time to grow up and stop defending your use!   | |
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shanti0608 said: 2the9s said: Anyway, not knowing anything about this study other than what is posted here, it seems pretty irresponsible to be suggesting a link without knowing whether it exists. Is this a reputable study? Peer reviewed etc.? Sounds like it's proaganda against drug use, and it potentially clouds (no pun intended) the serious issue of psychosis, mental illnes and its causes and such etc. But like I said that's a gut reaction to this brief posting. I was just listening to the news and heard the story so I posted it. I did not realize that every thing posted here had to have scientific proof. I just thought it was interesting. I sort of thought if Bay News 9 could share it to a large population here in Florida that I could share it with the small population of the org.  Oh poppycock! This isnt P@freakinR post at will! | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: ZombieKitten said: 23 maybe? it scared the shit out of all of us, especially since we didn't know until AFTER that she was the biggest stoner for several years Not that i know jack crack about this but I wonder if it is possible that is something they put on the leaves like pesticide or God knows what that causes the problem? The ppl I knew that did it a lot grew their own and they only used natural pesticides. I just hope the 2nd hand smoke did not do anything to me....
I do not miss the smelly crap myself but I do know that some use it for medical reasons. I never saw anyone one that was stoned act crazy really..now alcoholics are a different story. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: shanti0608 said: I was just listening to the news and heard the story so I posted it. I did not realize that every thing posted here had to have scientific proof. I just thought it was interesting. I sort of thought if Bay News 9 could share it to a large population here in Florida that I could share it with the small population of the org. Oh poppycock! This isnt P@freakinR post at will! 
This will get moved to P&R then the pot smokers will go all psychotic on me  | |
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Antiperspirant causes psychosis, not pot. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I do not do it but I see why ppl want it to be legalized. Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot..... I choose the latter! I do not think all of them are losers. I have known many that are very successful and they are constructive citizens in our society. I think saying they are all losers would be like me saying all ppl that drink are assholes. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: 2the9s said: Anyway, not knowing anything about this study other than what is posted here, it seems pretty irresponsible to be suggesting a link without knowing whether it exists. Is this a reputable study? Peer reviewed etc.? Sounds like it's proaganda against drug use, and it potentially clouds (no pun intended) the serious issue of psychosis, mental illnes and its causes and such etc. But like I said that's a gut reaction to this brief posting. Sounds like they are implying it certainly happeneds but perhaps the users have something else in common that they have not ruled out.... anywayyyyy time to grow up and stop defending your use! No wonder people are leaving you high and dry in California...  | |
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shanti0608 said: Here in the US many are thrown in jail for possession yet rapists run the streets.
I have issues with that. that's because drug users carry immediate evidence on them.....a rapist has to be found guilty through providing evidence. | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot..... I choose the latter! I do not think all of them are losers. I have known many that are very successful and they are constructive citizens in our society. I think saying they are all losers would be like me saying all ppl that drink are assholes. I'll take you on a critical tour through my hometown.....I'm sure it will change your mind. The pot vs. alcohol discussion is futile..... | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: Here in the US many are thrown in jail for possession yet rapists run the streets.
I have issues with that. that's because drug users carry immediate evidence on them.....a rapist has to be found guilty through providing evidence. No I am talking about the rapists that are found guilty but because our jails are overcrowded by ppl that were busted with some pot on them - the rapists get a shorter sentence or set free because the jails are full here in America. | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I do not think all of them are losers. I have known many that are very successful and they are constructive citizens in our society. I think saying they are all losers would be like me saying all ppl that drink are assholes. I'll take you on a critical tour through my hometown.....I'm sure it will change your mind. The pot vs. alcohol discussion is futile...... why is that? | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: that's because drug users carry immediate evidence on them.....a rapist has to be found guilty through providing evidence. No I am talking about the rapists that are found guilty but because our jails are overcrowded by ppl that were busted with some pot on them - the rapists get a shorter sentence or set free because the jails are full here in America. it's the same everywhere.....I'm curious for your findings here in Europe after the first 6 months spent.....I notice that you're quite 'negative' about your homecountry now that you've made the decision to move to the UK! | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: I'll take you on a critical tour through my hometown.....I'm sure it will change your mind. The pot vs. alcohol discussion is futile...... why is that? two totally different substances.....really, come to Amsterdam and I'll show you! Pot-smokers use the argument of alcohol to defend (or ignore) their addiction to pot.....it's really sad. The problem is that it's an endless discussion without a conclusion. Fact is that you can have a drink and not be immediately intoxicated, pot works differently.....I know what I'm talking about, smoked pot in the past..... | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: No I am talking about the rapists that are found guilty but because our jails are overcrowded by ppl that were busted with some pot on them - the rapists get a shorter sentence or set free because the jails are full here in America. it's the same everywhere.....I'm curious for your findings here in Europe after the first 6 months spent.....I notice that you're quite 'negative' about your homecountry now that you've made the decision to move to the UK! Ummm no - I have been negative" about my home country for a very very long time. Disappointed would be a better word. I discussed and looked into moving out of this country back when Bush was elected the first time. Every one that knows me knows that I have felt that way for a very long time. Instead I joined groups and organizations to help make a change until the time was right to move. Let's just say none of my friends or family were surprised when I told them I was moving out of the country. | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I do not do it but I see why ppl want it to be legalized. Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot..... I choose the latter! But that still doesn't mean there is a proven connection between pot use and psychosis! | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: why is that? two totally different substances.....really, come to Amsterdam and I'll show you! Pot-smokers use the argument of alcohol to defend (or ignore) their addiction to pot.....it's really sad. The problem is that it's an endless discussion without a conclusion. Fact is that you can have a drink and not be immediately intoxicated, pot works differently.....I know what I'm talking about, smoked pot in the past..... I have smoked pot too in the past and I lived with it growing in my home. I do not agree with doing it and I do not think regular use of it is good for you. Neither is alcohol... hence the reason I created this thread. | |
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2the9s said: abierman said: Pot is the root of organized crime which is very much alive in my country! You can say: legalize it (it's not legal in the Netherlands, just tolerated) and you get psychotics who are also losers.....or you leave it illegal, and all you have are some gangsters whacking eachother over some pot..... I choose the latter! But that still doesn't mean there is a proven connection between pot use and psychosis! I you take you on a tour through Amsterdam.....you'll find out that Brooklyn doesn't mean shit! 
I don't care, I'd rather have gangsters whacking eachother that having 'legal' bumfuck-losers everywhere.....oh well, Amsterdam is already so doomed that we're proud of it!  I loathe the dutch drug-policy.....it makes us totally incredible in the European community! | |
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ZombieKitten said: my sister had a psychotic episode
 Sorry to hear about that. One of our employees was giving my boyfriend marijuana back in 1999 to the point where he was doing it regularly and he, too, ended up having a psychotic episode from it. He was actually in the mental hospital for 2 weeks on 2 separate occasions and, frankly, has never been quite the same since then. His idiot sister then proceeded to give him a bag, when she should have known better, and, *he* should have known better yet took it and ended up back in the hospital six months later. It's all behind us now but he's more withdrawn and gets less involved with things and seems to have fewer interests. All the doctors and nurses at the local hospital said that it can trigger such things. Some people may be more susceptible to it than others. | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: two totally different substances.....really, come to Amsterdam and I'll show you! Pot-smokers use the argument of alcohol to defend (or ignore) their addiction to pot.....it's really sad. The problem is that it's an endless discussion without a conclusion. Fact is that you can have a drink and not be immediately intoxicated, pot works differently.....I know what I'm talking about, smoked pot in the past..... I have smoked pot too in the past and I lived with it growing in my home. I do not agree with doing it and I do not think regular use of it is good for you. Neither is alcohol... hence the reason I created this thread. true, still one can have a beer and still think straight.....with a blunt it's not like that! | |
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jtfolden said: ZombieKitten said: my sister had a psychotic episode
Sorry to hear about that. One of our employees was giving my boyfriend marijuana back in 1999 to the point where he was doing it regularly and he, too, ended up having a psychotic episode from it. He was actually in the mental hospital for 2 weeks on 2 separate occasions and, frankly, has never been quite the same since then. His idiot sister then proceeded to give him a bag, when she should have known better, and, *he* should have known better yet took it and ended up back in the hospital six months later. It's all behind us now but he's more withdrawn and gets less involved with things and seems to have fewer interests. All the doctors and nurses at the local hospital said that it can trigger such things. Some people may be more susceptible to it than others. But it could also be that people who are suffering from mental illness are drawn to drugs and alcohol for their self-medicinal qualities, even before the onset of an actual psychotic episode. | |
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abierman said: shanti0608 said: I have smoked pot too in the past and I lived with it growing in my home. I do not agree with doing it and I do not think regular use of it is good for you. Neither is alcohol... hence the reason I created this thread. true, still one can have a beer and still think straight.....with a blunt it's not like that! The couple times I smoked it I really did not feel much difference. Never saw the attraction. My life has been effected by pot smokers and alcoholics in negative ways but I still don't clump all drinkers or all pot smokers in the loser category. Guess I am too open minded | |
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2the9s said: jtfolden said: Sorry to hear about that. One of our employees was giving my boyfriend marijuana back in 1999 to the point where he was doing it regularly and he, too, ended up having a psychotic episode from it. He was actually in the mental hospital for 2 weeks on 2 separate occasions and, frankly, has never been quite the same since then. His idiot sister then proceeded to give him a bag, when she should have known better, and, *he* should have known better yet took it and ended up back in the hospital six months later. It's all behind us now but he's more withdrawn and gets less involved with things and seems to have fewer interests. All the doctors and nurses at the local hospital said that it can trigger such things. Some people may be more susceptible to it than others. But it could also be that people who are suffering from mental illness are drawn to drugs and alcohol for their self-medicinal qualities, even before the onset of an actual psychotic episode. I really think it has to do with the number of pot smokers out there. Mental illness happens to all sorts of ppl. I am sure there's a lot of alcoholics that have psychotic episodes as well. | |
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2the9s said: jtfolden said: Sorry to hear about that. One of our employees was giving my boyfriend marijuana back in 1999 to the point where he was doing it regularly and he, too, ended up having a psychotic episode from it. He was actually in the mental hospital for 2 weeks on 2 separate occasions and, frankly, has never been quite the same since then. His idiot sister then proceeded to give him a bag, when she should have known better, and, *he* should have known better yet took it and ended up back in the hospital six months later. It's all behind us now but he's more withdrawn and gets less involved with things and seems to have fewer interests. All the doctors and nurses at the local hospital said that it can trigger such things. Some people may be more susceptible to it than others. But it could also be that people who are suffering from mental illness are drawn to drugs and alcohol for their self-medicinal qualities, even before the onset of an actual psychotic episode. P.S. That's just something I heard. This is an interesting topic.  | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: it's the same everywhere.....I'm curious for your findings here in Europe after the first 6 months spent.....I notice that you're quite 'negative' about your homecountry now that you've made the decision to move to the UK! Ummm no - I have been negative" about my home country for a very very long time. Disappointed would be a better word. I discussed and looked into moving out of this country back when Bush was elected the first time. Every one that knows me knows that I have felt that way for a very long time. Instead I joined groups and organizations to help make a change until the time was right to move. Let's just say none of my friends or family were surprised when I told them I was moving out of the country. Forgot to add... when I first came to P.org in 2003- I only posted in P&R and I argued with EWM. AHHHH those were the days!  | |
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shanti0608 said: abierman said: true, still one can have a beer and still think straight.....with a blunt it's not like that! The couple times I smoked it I really did not feel much difference. Never saw the attraction. My life has been effected by pot smokers and alcoholics in negative ways but I still don't clump all drinkers or all pot smokers in the loser category. Guess I am too open minded oh, the Dutch are openminded too.....that's how we got ourselves in this shit.....and now we can't get out of it anymore! if you have smoked only a couple of times then it's normal that you haven't felt much difference, heavy users turn into zombies.....zombies do not function right in society.....they turn into anti-social individuals, meaning their not able to connect with their environment anymore! Alcoholism is a physical illness, potsmoking addicts mentally.....there you have it. It also reduces the big step to using the socalled hard-drug.....this makes pot a hard-drug to me! I haven't heard of drinkers who start shooting horse to get a better high.....I have seen potsmokers in this situation. | |
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2the9s said: But it could also be that people who are suffering from mental illness are drawn to drugs and alcohol for their self-medicinal qualities, even before the onset of an actual psychotic episode. Yeah but the trouble I always see when going by that train of logic is that one could assume that *anyone* smoking pot could have a pending, unknown mental breakdown on their hands and should therefore stop and seek help. No way to know, right? I've lived with the guy in question for going on 20 years now so, at least in this case, I have a pretty good vantage point from which to judge it and, of course, he knows how he felt before hand and then after the fact. It is true that some seek to self-medicate but he was just doing it to 'have a good time with friends'. | |
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shanti0608 said: shanti0608 said: Ummm no - I have been negative" about my home country for a very very long time. Disappointed would be a better word. I discussed and looked into moving out of this country back when Bush was elected the first time. Every one that knows me knows that I have felt that way for a very long time. Instead I joined groups and organizations to help make a change until the time was right to move. Let's just say none of my friends or family were surprised when I told them I was moving out of the country. Forgot to add... when I first came to P.org in 2003- I only posted in P&R and I argued with EWM. AHHHH those were the days! but we're not argueing, are we??? | |
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jtfolden said: 2the9s said: But it could also be that people who are suffering from mental illness are drawn to drugs and alcohol for their self-medicinal qualities, even before the onset of an actual psychotic episode. Yeah but the trouble I always see when going by that train of logic is that one could assume that *anyone* smoking pot could have a pending, unknown mental breakdown on their hands and should therefore stop and seek help. No way to know, right? Very true..."mental illness" is already used as a dubious defense for a lot of things. And that can dilute the actual problem. | |
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Stax said: Antiperspirant causes psychosis, not pot.
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