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Anxiety said: MissMe said: Yup and how they were made. And how so many "enviromentally friendly" products are exactly made. Nobody is 100% animal friendly, no matter what they may argue. just walking outside to check your mail, you're probably going to crush an ant or squash a microbe or some shit. if you think about it too much, you'll go mad. but that's no excuse for people not to do what they CAN. believe me, i'm all for existential funks and the "why bother?" excuse, but if there are 10 things i SHOULD be doing to live peacefully with all living things and i am able to do at least SIX of those things, then that's better than nothing. i don't consider myself a hypocrite for not being able to do the other four. i'd be more of a hypocrite if i justified my lack of effort by saying "well, i can't do ten out of ten things, so why bother?" that's lame. [Edited 7/26/07 10:16am] 
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MissMe said: If vegans want their children to have a vegan diet too, do they breastfeed their babies?
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Anxiety said: MissMe said: If vegans want their children to have a vegan diet too, do they breastfeed their babies?
of course they do. This topic already had it's own thread once.  |
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Anxiety said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I actually have no problem with those who don't eat meat. I just seriously don't appreciate people dragging out the nails and the crucifix because I ate a freakin egg!
I did say I'm considering a meatless diet, does that not count for anything? if you want my honest opinion, i think you have unresolved inner debates going on about the whole veg thing and you're taking out your arguments on the rest of us in hopes that you'll get some answers you're looking for. which, okay, that's nifty, but there are less intrusive ways of going about it - like, first of all, pretend like vegans actually want their life choice respected. in all actuality, i think they're so used to being harshly judged and bullied that they actually freak out a little when a meat-eater is nice to them, but hey - try it! talk to a vegan as if you're genuinely interested in their lifestyle rather than looking to judge, and see how they react - i mean, they don't eat meat so it's not like they're going to have a heart attack, clearly.  So heavy drinking, smoking, over-eating, over-stressed, lazy vegans are safe from heartattacks? Procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday.
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MissMe said: Anxiety said: if you want my honest opinion, i think you have unresolved inner debates going on about the whole veg thing and you're taking out your arguments on the rest of us in hopes that you'll get some answers you're looking for. which, okay, that's nifty, but there are less intrusive ways of going about it - like, first of all, pretend like vegans actually want their life choice respected. in all actuality, i think they're so used to being harshly judged and bullied that they actually freak out a little when a meat-eater is nice to them, but hey - try it! talk to a vegan as if you're genuinely interested in their lifestyle rather than looking to judge, and see how they react - i mean, they don't eat meat so it's not like they're going to have a heart attack, clearly. So heavy drinking, smoking, over-eating, over-stressed, lazy vegans are safe from heartattacks? don't forget heroin addicted and syphylitic! | |
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Anxiety said: MissMe said: Yup and how they were made. And how so many "enviromentally friendly" products are exactly made. Nobody is 100% animal friendly, no matter what they may argue. just walking outside to check your mail, you're probably going to crush an ant or squash a microbe or some shit. if you think about it too much, you'll go mad. but that's no excuse for people not to do what they CAN. believe me, i'm all for existential funks and the "why bother?" excuse, but if there are 10 things i SHOULD be doing to live peacefully with all living things and i am able to do at least SIX of those things, then that's better than nothing. i don't consider myself a hypocrite for not being able to do the other four. i'd be more of a hypocrite if i justified my lack of effort by saying "well, i can't do ten out of ten things, so why bother?" that's lame. [Edited 7/26/07 10:16am] Well Stated. | |
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Anxiety said: MissMe said: So heavy drinking, smoking, over-eating, over-stressed, lazy vegans are safe from heartattacks? don't forget heroin addicted and syphylitic!  | |
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Anxiety said: just walking outside to check your mail, you're probably going to crush an ant or squash a microbe or some shit. if you think about it too much, you'll go mad. but that's no excuse for people not to do what they CAN. believe me, i'm all for existential funks and the "why bother?" excuse, but if there are 10 things i SHOULD be doing to live peacefully with all living things and i am able to do at least SIX of those things, then that's better than nothing. i don't consider myself a hypocrite for not being able to do the other four. i'd be more of a hypocrite if i justified my lack of effort by saying "well, i can't do ten out of ten things, so why bother?" that's lame. I understand and agree with you. But the vegans I have met preach that shit till they turn blue in the face...then you look down at their feet and oh my god! What nice leather shoes you are wearing! If you're gonna sit there and yell at me while I eat my BLT don't be wearing leather shoes!!! It's like they enjoy being labeled vegan or something. It's silly. If you don't wanna eat meat but wear leather be my guest! Just don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong and cry about that delicious pig I'm devouring. . [Edited 7/26/07 10:40am] | |
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CarrieLee said: Anxiety said: just walking outside to check your mail, you're probably going to crush an ant or squash a microbe or some shit. if you think about it too much, you'll go mad. but that's no excuse for people not to do what they CAN. believe me, i'm all for existential funks and the "why bother?" excuse, but if there are 10 things i SHOULD be doing to live peacefully with all living things and i am able to do at least SIX of those things, then that's better than nothing. i don't consider myself a hypocrite for not being able to do the other four. i'd be more of a hypocrite if i justified my lack of effort by saying "well, i can't do ten out of ten things, so why bother?" that's lame. I understand and agree with you. But the vegans I have met preach that shit till they turn blue in the face...then you look down at their feet and oh my god! What nice leather shoes you are wearing! If you're gonna sit there and yell at me while I eat my BLT don't be wearing leather shoes!!! It's like they enjoy being labeled vegan or something. It's silly. If you don't wanna eat meat but wear leather be my guest! Just don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong and cry about that delicious pig I'm devouring. . [Edited 7/26/07 10:40am] OK, these are the kind of people I encounter too! They make me want to take up butchery for a living And Anx, Melly, obviously you are 2 incredibly loving creatures who don't preach on this shit but pleas allow CarrieLee and I to smake some fake ass vegan faces! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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CarrieLee said: Anxiety said: just walking outside to check your mail, you're probably going to crush an ant or squash a microbe or some shit. if you think about it too much, you'll go mad. but that's no excuse for people not to do what they CAN. believe me, i'm all for existential funks and the "why bother?" excuse, but if there are 10 things i SHOULD be doing to live peacefully with all living things and i am able to do at least SIX of those things, then that's better than nothing. i don't consider myself a hypocrite for not being able to do the other four. i'd be more of a hypocrite if i justified my lack of effort by saying "well, i can't do ten out of ten things, so why bother?" that's lame. I understand and agree with you. But the vegans I have met preach that shit till they turn blue in the face...then you look down at their feet and oh my god! What nice leather shoes you are wearing! If you're gonna sit there and yell at me while I eat my BLT don't be wearing leather shoes!!! It's like they enjoy being labeled vegan or something. It's silly. If you don't wanna eat meat but wear leather be my guest! Just don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong and cry about that delicious pig I'm devouring. . [Edited 7/26/07 10:40am] Some of the hypocrites need a  slap for real. | |
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MsLegs said: CarrieLee said: I understand and agree with you. But the vegans I have met preach that shit till they turn blue in the face...then you look down at their feet and oh my god! What nice leather shoes you are wearing! If you're gonna sit there and yell at me while I eat my BLT don't be wearing leather shoes!!! It's like they enjoy being labeled vegan or something. It's silly. If you don't wanna eat meat but wear leather be my guest! Just don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong and cry about that delicious pig I'm devouring. . [Edited 7/26/07 10:40am] Some of the hypocrites need a slap for real. I just mentioned slapping too! 
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medically speaking there is a conflict. Human babies are mostly (with exceptions) weaned off breast milk from between 3 months, to 18 months, although there are some in the La Leche league who espouse nursing a child well until they are 5 or 6. Medically, we do not need milk after a child is able to swallow solid foods. The conflict comes in, on our developmental needs for calcium, and where to obtain it.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: CarrieLee said: I understand and agree with you. But the vegans I have met preach that shit till they turn blue in the face...then you look down at their feet and oh my god! What nice leather shoes you are wearing! If you're gonna sit there and yell at me while I eat my BLT don't be wearing leather shoes!!! It's like they enjoy being labeled vegan or something. It's silly. If you don't wanna eat meat but wear leather be my guest! Just don't tell me what I'm doing is wrong and cry about that delicious pig I'm devouring. . [Edited 7/26/07 10:40am] OK, these are the kind of people I encounter too! They make me want to take up butchery for a living And Anx, Melly, obviously you are 2 incredibly loving creatures who don't preach on this shit but pleas allow CarrieLee and I to smake some fake ass vegan faces! yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. | |
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Anxiety said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, these are the kind of people I encounter too! They make me want to take up butchery for a living And Anx, Melly, obviously you are 2 incredibly loving creatures who don't preach on this shit but pleas allow CarrieLee and I to smake some fake ass vegan faces! yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. Close Mindedness!? WTF?! Did nobody see where I said I'm thinking about going meatless 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Anxiety said: yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. Close Mindedness!? WTF?! Did nobody see where I said I'm thinking about going meatless
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Anxiety said: yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. Close Mindedness!? WTF?! Did nobody see where I said I'm thinking about going meatless
BREATHE 
i wasn't directing that at you specifically, i was talking about people in general. i think a lot of people use the shortcomings of so-called "official vegans" to justify their own disinterest, i guess by way of showing that it's so pointless that even the preachers don't practice their own sermons. or something. i get the surface statement on hypocrisy that's trying to be made, but i think there's more to it than that, and again - it's not about letting other people define our own values and principles, really, is it? | |
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BlackAdder7 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Close Mindedness!? WTF?! Did nobody see where I said I'm thinking about going meatless
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Anxiety said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, these are the kind of people I encounter too! They make me want to take up butchery for a living And Anx, Melly, obviously you are 2 incredibly loving creatures who don't preach on this shit but pleas allow CarrieLee and I to smake some fake ass vegan faces! yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. I think what it comes down to is some meat eaters (or "meaties" as I will now call them) feel "judged" by all veggies/vegans of the world. Even when it's a case of offereing a guest a slice of pepperoni pizza and the guest simply says, "oh, no thanks. I don't eat meat". They quickly and eagerly launch into a diatribe about why they do, how it's the right thing to do, etc. They're defending what they perceive your judgement to be without even a word being said. They get on the defensive immediately. |
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CarrieMpls said: Anxiety said: yeah, i get what you're saying, but i guess my hesitation is when people use these "fake ass vegan" stories to enable one's own closed-mindedness. it's like, i hear so many people tell stories like this, and the stories always end with "if that fake vegan can own a leather belt then fuck it - I'M EATING A STEAK!" that's kinda jankity logic, if you ask me. if you really DO believe in the ideal of making some kind of positive change, then BE that change instead of letting other people's failed attempts at change guide you right back into doing nothing. so yeah, bitch all you want and enjoy every last delicious crumb of righteous indignation that you have coming to you. but think about what you'd like that "fake ass vegan" to be without the bullshittery and then maybe think about if that's a person you could ever be. I think what it comes down to is some meat eaters (or "meaties" as I will now call them) feel "judged" by all veggies/vegans of the world. Even when it's a case of offereing a guest a slice of pepperoni pizza and the guest simply says, "oh, no thanks. I don't eat meat". They quickly and eagerly launch into a diatribe about why they do, how it's the right thing to do, etc. They're defending what they perceive your judgement to be without even a word being said. They get on the defensive immediately. See, I would never leap to that conclusion I just don't want to be yelled at in return and trust me that shit has happened Maybe if meaties and veganites could have a conference, we could truly understand each other  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: CarrieMpls said: I think what it comes down to is some meat eaters (or "meaties" as I will now call them) feel "judged" by all veggies/vegans of the world. Even when it's a case of offereing a guest a slice of pepperoni pizza and the guest simply says, "oh, no thanks. I don't eat meat". They quickly and eagerly launch into a diatribe about why they do, how it's the right thing to do, etc. They're defending what they perceive your judgement to be without even a word being said. They get on the defensive immediately. See, I would never leap to that conclusion I just don't want to be yelled at in return and trust me that shit has happened Maybe if meaties and veganites could have a conference, we could truly understand each other i will say that there is some justified paranoia/defensiveness to be had for "meaties", which mainly comes from the mainstream media and from polarizing groups like PETA, which influence people to be "in your face" and confrontational about such matters, and which also leads to sensationalist media coverage of "crazy radical animal rights activists", all of which controversializes (is that a word?) what i consider to be a simple lifestyle choice of what one opts to eat. i think a lot of people on the anti-meat side of things need to be more pragmatic and progressive and less idealistic and aggro in their/our advocacy. meat-eating is a huge part of mainstream culture, like it or not. we're not gonna change that overnight. telling people they're bad for eating meat isn't gonna win us a lot of allies, either.
the best thing we can do is teach by example and include those around us in the things we love about living a veggie diet. it really doesn't have to be this huge, caustic, argumentative, socially sensitive thing. i think vegetarian food should be thought of in the same way as any other kind of food. it's just another option. it's nothing to be scared of. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: CarrieMpls said: I think what it comes down to is some meat eaters (or "meaties" as I will now call them) feel "judged" by all veggies/vegans of the world. Even when it's a case of offereing a guest a slice of pepperoni pizza and the guest simply says, "oh, no thanks. I don't eat meat". They quickly and eagerly launch into a diatribe about why they do, how it's the right thing to do, etc. They're defending what they perceive your judgement to be without even a word being said. They get on the defensive immediately. See, I would never leap to that conclusion I just don't want to be yelled at in return and trust me that shit has happened Maybe if meaties and veganites could have a conference, we could truly understand each other We're on the same page kiddo!!!
I never put my vegan friends through the wringer and bitch about their decision. I could care less. What it comes down to is I eat meat and they don't. And when I'm at their house I'll eat a boca burger, I don't give a shit. Anx I respect your opinions and decisions but dang...you come off a little harsh. Settle down Beavis! | |
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CarrieLee said: Anx I respect your opinions and decisions but dang...you come off a little harsh. Settle down Beavis! "settle down beavis" being the essence of zen thought? gotcha. | |
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Anxiety said: CarrieLee said: Anx I respect your opinions and decisions but dang...you come off a little harsh. Settle down Beavis! "settle down beavis" being the essence of zen thought? gotcha. YES!!  | |
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CarrieLee said: Anxiety said: "settle down beavis" being the essence of zen thought? gotcha. YES!! it's cornhole day at soldier field in chicago this weekend. fact. | |
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Anxiety said: CarrieLee said: YES!! it's cornhole day at soldier field in chicago this weekend. fact. How does that make your cornholio feel? | |
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CarrieLee said: Anxiety said: it's cornhole day at soldier field in chicago this weekend. fact. How does that make your cornholio feel? in dire need of teepee, if you must know. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MsLegs said: Some of the hypocrites need a slap for real. I just mentioned slapping too!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: BlackAdder7 said: is this an abstenance thread? Squirting meat I'll never give up!  Squirting meat. Interesting topic. | |
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