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New moms ingesting their placenta: healthy?

From USA Today:

INGESTING THE PLACENTA: IS IT HEALTHY FOR NEW MOMS?

By Steve Friess, Special for USA TODAY

Debi French was dreading the birth of her fourth child. She wanted the baby, to be sure, but she was terrified of being visited again with the overwhelming despair that came over her in the days and weeks after her last delivery.

French's midwife offered her an unusual remedy: She suggested the expectant mother ingest her own placenta as a means of allaying postpartum depression. The temporary organ was saved, dried and emulsified, then placed in gelatin capsules and taken by the mother in the months after the birth in December 2004.

"Before I actually did it, my friends thought it was weird," says French, 29, of Spokane, Wash., whose fifth child is due in August. "But when they saw how fast I recovered from my birth and they knew my history, they thought it was pretty neat. Now I have a lot of friends planning to do it."

The practice, known as placentophagy, is far from widespread and is received with great skepticism by more traditional medical experts. But among a small but vocal contingent of expectant mothers and proponents, it is strongly believed that the organ created by the woman's body to pass nutrients between mother and fetus and is expelled after birth is rich in chemicals that can help mitigate fluctuations in hormones believed to cause postpartum depression.

"I feel that it is what we as women are meant to do with the placenta," says Jodi Selander of Las Vegas, who offers encapsulation services and is collecting testimonials of women who have ingested placenta for her website, placentabenefits.info.

Questions from the FDA

The practice is raising eyebrows at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Spokeswoman Kris Mejia says the FDA considers that some statements on the website are making medical claims and will be looking more carefully into the matter. "Human placental capsules that make treatment claims … must be accompanied by well-designed and controlled clinical studies to support approval/licensure," Mejia wrote in an e-mail.

Selander says she does the encapsulation as a service and doesn't charge for it. She also says she sought guidance from the FDA but got no clear answers.

Still, Selander says, "every single mammal ingests its placenta. We are the only mammal on Earth that went away from this practice."

In actuality, some mammals, including seafaring ones and camels, do not. But the fact that most lower mammals do, and the fact that placenta ingestion has been a part of traditional Chinese medicine practices for centuries, is often cited by Selander and other advocates as proof of its health benefits.

Yet Western researchers are highly dubious of whether taking placenta pills or, in the case of some more devoted placentophagists, cooking and eating it as a food is of any value to humans. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists declined to comment, but a spokeswoman for the British counterpart, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, told the BBC last year: "Animals eat their placenta to get nutrition, but when people are already well-nourished, there is no benefit. There is no reason to do it."

Mark Kristal, a professor at State University of New York at Buffalo whose doctoral dissertation in 1971 focused on why animals eat their placentas, says his research leads him to suspect that animals derive pain relief from a substance in the placenta during delivery that humans would not enjoy by ingesting after the fact.

'People can believe what they want'

Kristal notes that animal births usually involve the mother licking her vaginal area, thereby ingesting the fluid during delivery.

He also says withholding the placenta from the animal mother after birth in lab studies hasn't caused the mother to become depressed or withdraw from her offspring. That observation would contradict the notion that animals ingest it to avert their own version of postpartum depression, he says.

"People can believe what they want, but there's no research to substantiate claims of human benefit," Kristal says. "The cooking process will destroy all the protein and the hormones. … Drying it out or freezing it would destroy other things."

Mothers who insist that ingesting their placentas has helped them are undeterred.

"I don't need research to say that it's going to help me," says Nicole Dodson-Sands, 32, of Albuquerque, who suffered depression after her third son's birth six months ago and took placenta pills she made herself. "It's not something that was dangerous."

Some hospitals aren't so sure and refuse to release the placenta after a birth, regarding it as hazardous medical waste. Sunrise Hospital in Las Vegas refused to relinquish the placenta to Anne Swanson, 30, in April, leading to a court battle resolved on Tuesday when a district court judge ruled that Swanson should receive it.

Swanson had planned a birth at her Las Vegas home but was rushed to the hospital for an emergency cesarean section.

The hospital, which had contended that a placenta could be biohazardous waste because it contains blood, says it will not appeal. "The court understood our desire to be compliant with current medical waste regulations," Sunrise Health vice president Amy Dirks Stevens said in a written statement. "Ms. Swanson will receive her placenta upon completion of the court's legal and medical waste compliance directions."

The hospital has been storing the placenta in a freezer; Swanson says it's probably too late for it to be of any medicinal use to her. "Recovering from a C-section was a lot more traumatic, and I was definitely a bit emotional, so my husband will attest I definitely could have used my placenta," she says.

Typically, the placenta is stored by the hospital for a few days to be available for testing if there is a post-pregnancy complication, and then it is destroyed. Some hospitals do allow women to have the placenta just as they allow patients to take home tonsils, kidney stones or appendixes.

Swanson says she is baffled that this became anybody's business but hers, but she is gratified by the court's ruling.

"We didn't even have to have a trial — the judge said, 'Give it to her' — so it was shocking to everybody, actually," Swanson says. "I'm obviously sad that it took a court case to get here, but I'm very excited that more women are actually going to be able to get their placentas if they want them."

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Reply #1 posted 07/22/07 2:23pm

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Very. biggrin
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Reply #2 posted 07/22/07 2:24pm

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If cats do it then humans should too.
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Reply #3 posted 07/22/07 2:31pm

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squirrelscientist said:

If cats do it then humans should too.



Let's eat mice.
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Reply #4 posted 07/22/07 2:35pm

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MissMe said:

squirrelscientist said:

If cats do it then humans should too.



Let's eat mice.


Mice have been known to be served to people in a few fried chicken places in the states. They beat you to the idea!
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Reply #5 posted 07/22/07 5:05pm

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Years ago I saw one of those sex specials on HBO.....I think it was the Shocking Videos ones, and it showed these ladies in England cooking and preparing it some sort of like pate at a social gathering. How on earth could you muster up the nerve to ask if anyone wants to try your placenta. ill
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Reply #6 posted 07/22/07 5:17pm

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Reply #7 posted 07/22/07 5:25pm

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JerseyKRS said:

eek





Tom is eating it raw and bloody.....that's hardcore. lol
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Reply #8 posted 07/22/07 5:29pm

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JerseyKRS said:

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Reply #9 posted 07/22/07 6:26pm

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AnckSuNamun said:

Years ago I saw one of those sex specials on HBO.....I think it was the Shocking Videos ones, and it showed these ladies in England cooking and preparing it some sort of like pate at a social gathering. How on earth could you muster up the nerve to ask if anyone wants to try your placenta. ill


I saw that too, and it grossed me out. ill
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Reply #10 posted 07/22/07 8:24pm

shaomi

My cat did it back in the days so i just asked her how it was & she said "Rrrawrrow."
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Reply #11 posted 07/22/07 8:29pm

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The reason some predatory animals do it is to get easy nutrition - for days or even weeks after a birth (at least in the wild) they can't leave their young at ALL. Humans can order takeout.
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Reply #12 posted 07/22/07 8:31pm

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I just asked my cat WHY she did it & she said "Aeeyh!" then i said "oh..." & she said "oorh."
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JerseyKRS said:

eek





eek eek eek

FUCK!

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That's nasty.
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Reply #14 posted 07/23/07 6:08am

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MissMe said:

squirrelscientist said:

If cats do it then humans should too.



Let's eat mice.

lol
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Reply #15 posted 07/23/07 6:56am

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minneapolisgenius said:

MissMe said:




Let's eat mice.

lol

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Reply #16 posted 07/23/07 9:30am

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JerseyKRS said:

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Uh, welcome back Jers?
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Reply #17 posted 07/23/07 10:48am

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MissMe said:

minneapolisgenius said:


lol

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Of the many BAD things cats do eating mice is low on the list. smile
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Reply #18 posted 07/23/07 12:17pm

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wave I'm a midwife student.

The thing that they told us about placentae eating, was that it was done more in the old day, cause the mother who'd just given birth was usually exhausted, tired and short of nutrients and usually lost a lot of blood.

Eating you placentae raw at the spot, gave them valuable nutrients immediately and energy. And it has loads of hormones too.. It has the same benefits today, but I think that most mothers have other options..

In Finland it's customary to offer the mother to eat a piece, or give some of to be taken home to.

I've cut open a placentae and examined it. They're really facinating, slipery and cool to study.. geek
Some have gotten out all in one piece in perfect condition, some are HUGE and contain extra placentaes with 'em, but it always makes me shiver when I see placentaes that have been ripped off inside the mother, because it wasn't possible the natural way.. sad
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Reply #19 posted 07/26/07 7:51pm

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Can you get fries with that?
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Reply #20 posted 07/26/07 8:06pm

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littlemissG said:

Can you get fries with that?

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