Lothan said:

Exactly.

Lothan said:

I agree, but it also is not a sure thing. If the law was something to the effect of 'you get caught killing someone read handed, you die no questions asked' I'm sure it would deter it. People have too many damn rights. What those kids did was absolutely disgusting and whats gonna happen to them? Probably nothing because they are minors and have rights. And mark my words, when they get older I'm sure they'll do something equally disgusting because they were not reprimanded...and obviously have issues.
[Edited 7/19/07 11:18am]

JustErin said:

What if someone lit your kid on fire, a minor who would be in juvy hall for a few years and let go. You're telling me you wouldn't want something to happen to them? I guess I'm just not a forgiving person. I was brought up knowing if I did something wrong there were going to be repercussions...ones that I were scared of. So guess what? I didn't do it.

CarrieLee said:

I don't believe in punishing violence with violence and that has nothing to do with forgiveness or lack there of.

CarrieLee said:

Me like your way of thinking very much.


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JustErin said:

I can dig it. We have different beliefs.

I can sure as shit say if someone lit my kid or animal on fire they would be sorry.

And again...people have too many rights and there aren't enough consequences for their shitty actions.
[Edited 7/19/07 11:50am]

CarrieLee said:

I definitely understand where you are coming from...I'm just more concerned with trying to find out why people do the bad things they do in the first place and trying to come up with preventative solutions.

CarrieLee said:

I agree, and how would you steal if both hands had been chopped off.

Lothan said:

I could so do it.

CarrieLee said:

The people who DON'T have many rights are the victims, they give the criminal TOO many rights, these days.

MissMe said:

Yup.

JustErin said:

I just don't see many preventative solutions being made. If I did, then I would feel differently. Something has to give...

CarrieLee said:

You're totally right, there is very little being invested in preventative measures, it's all being invested in after the fact so called "solutions".

Something does have to give because the way things are being dealt with now is not working and has never worked.

JustErin said:

Yeah, sometimes bad people get away with things, or aren't punished as harshly as the wronged individual things they should have been.

But members of the voting public, please keep in mind that we do not live in a perfect world, and even if we agreed on what perfect justice would look like, we'd be unable to execute it. No real-world justice system is perfect, so, knowing that we're gonna fuck up sometimes, we have to err on the side of a society that is decent and compassionate and doesn't punish the innocent.

The goal of the criminal justice system should not be to punish, exact revenge. . . even to bring justice, really. The goal should just be to pull people out of the society whose rules they are refusing to abide by. It's the best we can, in reality, do.

JustErin said:

I know I thought that to myself too, I never did anything awful or even close like that.

Those teens are I don't even know what to say...there are the good ones and the bad ones. I hope they pay.

Lothan said:

I agree that that's not the appropriate response. Just hope whatever punishment is given deters them from ever doing this again...

CarrieLee said:

Lothan said:

Sure it does. If I would have been there then I would of beat the hell out of them both! They DO deserve it afterall and I'm all for giving people what they deserve.

FunkJam said:

Cuz it's just as well to beat one animal (human) than another?

I can't even read this thread cause it makes me want to cry.

Post a thread about a cat being burned alive and it evokes this kind of passion. Post a thread about humans being blown to holy hell every day and barely a soul posts to it.

Lothan said:

why is that? what happened to our world?

Sad. I had a cat set on fire by some idiots years ago. Don't worry, God will get them



Smooches;)

LittleLostStar said:

I am not in control...I will make a beautiful world for all. And those that disagree, shall die!

Lothan said:

Because it wasn't an act of revenge or war or retaliation... it was just an act of sadism against a completely helpless being... People and animals die everyday. That's not what makes this story disturbing.
[Edited 7/21/07 21:01pm]