Barbra Streisand was too old to play Yentl!

Whatcha think about that?!

Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!
Yentlgram!

Aerogram said:

nope. aero's avatar is a fertility goddess. it's both a pregnant woman bending over backwards, arms flung skyward, and a variation on the design of the womb.

AlfofMelmak said:

The gloves are off.

yamomma said:

The spiked-knuckles are on. No one compares me to Barbra - let alone Barbra in Yentl - without suffering the consequences.

Actually, I bought the Yentl album for my father when the movie first came out. Don't laugh, but HE is the Barbra fan in the family. He put it on the stereo and loved it instantly. From then on, I had another reason not to stay home.. which turned out just fine.
[This message was edited Fri Sep 27 13:52:06 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

XxAxX said:

<--- Look closer...

It's a high overhead shot of an aroused Martian.

XxAxX said:

No, look closely. Picture a line drawing of someone bending over, touching their toes, cheeks spread from celulite, legs together...


Wolla!

Aerogram avator.

I thought everyone knew that.

For gawd's sake...

MY AVATAR...

contains all the letters of "aerogram" (albeit highly stylized - for instance, the "m" is at the bottom)

is a mix of three zodiac signs - aries, taurus and pisces (no, I'm not any of these and am quite zodiac-impaired).

could be a bull standing on his hind legs, an anus, an aroused martian, etc.

Aerogram said:

No it's not...

It's a big "Y" for Yentl!

Ring Ring...

Hello, you have reached the Barbra Streisand fan club, president Aerogram speaking, are you interested in our complimentary copy of Yintl with your first year membership?

yamomma said:

Actually, although I'm not a big fan of hers, I have to give her credit for some of her movie roles and her voice, but also for fighting for power in an industry that used to be dismissive of women who dared ask for more control.

I just don't like hearing her records too often and am squarely in the Liza camp.
[This message was edited Fri Sep 27 14:58:54 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]

I must say this thread was a resounding flop. You guys definitely don't give good flame.

I guess Yawn has tamed you.

Oh well...

Aerogram said:

Hey, it's the weekend.

Wait until Monday.

yamomma said:

Forget it! You guys suck. The Org's just a bunch of now.

Aerogram said:

Now what would Barbara say?

Ok, I quit.



Truth: Aerogram is too nice to be "flamed". I thought I could do a better job because I'm more neutral here on the org.

I treat everyone equally worthless. (kidding)

But, as I too found out, Mr. gram deserves nothing but respect.



On that note. I hearby withdrawl from the Barbra Streisand Fan Club... I mean... Aerogram Flame Amnesty thread.

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yamomma said:

"Didn't I star in The Owl and the cat?"

yamomma said:

Parting is such a sweet sorrow.

RIP, Thread

hey this thread ALMOST slipped off the bottom there into the unnoticed realms of page two. good thing i got here in time!

i do not mind what others say,
behind your back most every day.
i pay no mind, nor will i hear,
them say such things of you, my dear.

for i adore you, aerogram,
you're like a shepherd and i the lamb.
i don't care if your feet ARE smelly,
and your body's turned to jelly!

for i see what the others cannot,
the mind below that big bright baldspot!
the passion deep beneath the acne,
that noisy . . . spirit inside you bubbling to be free!

so i don't mind what others say
their words don't matter anyway
i just recall how glad i am
to be the pal of aerogram

Smoke a last cigarette
You are a lovely thread
So pretty we forget
Nice threads drop dead... tooo...

Ok, I found more at:

http://hugin.sigusr1.org/.../complaint

When assessing Aerogram's philosophies, one need not resort to vicious name-calling or opprobrious epithets. One need only present the facts. I guess I should start by saying that Aerogram can't attack my ideas, so he attacks me. It could be worse, I suppose. He could extinguish the voices of opposition. It is difficult for many people to accept that he spews out so many falsehoods, distortions, and half-truths, that rebuttal requires some lengthy documentation. Some people might object to that claim, and if they do, my response is: Every time he tries, Aerogram gets increasingly successful in his attempts to allow federally funded research to mushroom into a tendentious, grossly inefficient system, hampered by abhorrent traitors and amateurish kleptomaniacs. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

He says that he answers to no one. That is the most despicable lie I have ever heard in my entire life. If you can go more than a minute without hearing Aerogram talk about corporatism, you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial. Although this may come as a surprise to some readers, he has never satisfactorily proved his assertion that his views won't be used for political retribution. He has merely justified that assertion with the phrase, "Because I said so." Are you beginning to get the picture here?

Now, more than ever, we must see through the haze of hooliganism. The law is not just a moral stance. It is the consensus of society on our minimum standards of behavior. Isn't it interesting which questions Aerogram dodges and what tangents he goes off on? Those dodges and tangents make me think that this is not Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia, where the state would be eager to make widespread accusations and insinuations without having the facts to back them up. Not yet, at least. But Aerogram has stated that anyone who dares to shatter the adage that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't can expect to suffer hair loss and tooth decay as a result. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that mediocrity and normalcy are ideal virtues. Now that's just irrational. I recently overheard a couple of raving conspiracy theorists say that his practices provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything. Here, again, we encounter the blurred thinking that is characteristic of this Aerogram-induced era of slogans and propaganda. Finally, any mistakes in this letter are strictly my fault. But if you find any factual error or have more updated information on the subject of Aerogram, Aerogram-inspired versions of nativism, etc., please tell me, so I can write an even stronger letter next time.

There is currently a lot of controversy about Aerogram's jeremiads, and I know that any letter on the subject will almost certainly cause someone to marginalize me based on my gender, race, or religion. Still, the scurrilous and pesky nature of Aerogram's announcements should indicate to us that something needs to be done. Let me preface my discussion by quickly reasserting a familiar theme of my previous letters: Aerogram maintains that the boogeyman is going to get us if we don't agree to his demands. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that he has no conception of our moral and ethical standards. But there's the rub; there is a problem here. A large, narrow-minded, useless problem. As I often like to put it, while we do nothing, those who obliterate our sense of identity are gloating and smirking. And they will keep on gloating and smirking until we discuss the programmatic foundations of Aerogram's sinister utterances in detail.

As is so often the case, Aerogram dreams of a time when he'll be free to till the dotty side of the factionalism garden. That's the way he's planned it, and that's the way it'll happen -- not may happen, but will happen -- if we don't interfere, if we don't ring the bells of truth. He does, occasionally, make a valid point. But when he says that he answers to no one, that's where the facts end and the ludicrousness begins.

Efforts to cast ordinary consumption and investment decisions in the light of high religious purpose are not vestiges of a former era. They are the beginnings of a phenomenon which, if permitted to expand unchecked, will give expression to that which is most destructive and most harmful to society. Aerogram's apparatchiks can read some crock of unrestrained drivel he once wrote and believe that they've read something really profound. That conclusion is not based on some sort of ugly philosophy or on Aerogram-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and proven principles of science. These principles explain that one does not have to replace our timeless traditions with Aerogram's warped ones in order to take personal action and improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society -- the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth -- all of whose lives are made miserable by Aerogram. It is a neurotic person who believes otherwise. Do you understand the implications of what I have been telling you? Are you awake? Then you probably realize that he is right about one thing, namely that fear is what motivates us. Fear of what it means when ruthless, conceited sciolists make human life negligible and cheap. Fear of what it says about our society when we teach our children that he is beyond reproach. And fear of hate-filled fanatics like Aerogram who sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. I'd like to finish with a quote from a private e-mail message sent to me by a close friend of mine: "In a country like ours where imperialism, pauperism, and Maoism run rampant, we need laws to help enforce behavior that ought done out of common sense, decency, and tolerance".

This is a letter I have planned on writing for some time, a letter that I suspect is extremely important and one that undoubtedly must be heeded if we are to undo the damage caused by Aerogram. Before I say anything else, let me remind Aerogram that if you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will unquestionably find that if we take his magic-bullet explanations to their logical conclusion, we see that in the near future, he will clear forests, strip the topsoil, and turn a natural paradise into a dust bowl through a self-induced drought. You may balk at this, but he has commented that a book of his writings would be a good addition to the Bible. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as his comment is lacking in common sense. Although Aerogram demonstrates a great deal of ignorance and presumption when he says that 75 million years ago, a galactic tyrant named Xenu solved the overpopulation problem of his 76-planet federation by transporting the excess people to Earth, chaining them to volcanoes, and dropping H-bombs on them, I didn't want to talk about this. I really didn't. But you don't need to be a rocket scientist to detect the subtext of this letter. But just in case it's too subliminal for some, let me thrust it into your face right here: I have to laugh when he says that he is omnipotent. Where in the world did he get that idea? Not only does that idea contain absolutely no substance whatsoever, but from secret-handshake societies meeting at "the usual place" to back-door admissions committees, his confreres have always found a way to interfere with the most important principles of democracy.

One could imagine that some good might come from letting Aerogram feed us a diet of robbery, murder, violence, and all other manner of trials and tribulations. But the only one whose imagination is vivid enough is Aerogram. You might not care that I am fed up with his pushy and incomprehensible behavior, but you'd better start caring if you don't want him to violate the basic tenets of journalism and scholarship.

Let us postulate that I hope he enjoys his new distinction as one of the most tactless, infernal mystics who ever lived. In that case, if he makes fun of me or insults me, I hear it, and it hurts. But I take solace in the fact that I am still able to reveal the nature and activity of his collaborators and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims. Well, let's get our facts straight. Aerogram hates it when you say that as witnesses to mankind's inner dissatisfaction, we must criticize his views publically for their formalistic categories, their spurious claims of neutrality, and their blindness to the abuse of private power. He really hates it when you say that. Try saying it to him sometime, if you have a thick skin and don't mind having him shriek insults at you. He may impose a "glass ceiling" that limits our opportunities for promotions in most jobs right after he reads this letter. Let him. By next weekend, I will create and nurture a true spirit of community. What I had wanted for this letter was to write an analysis of Aerogram's opinions. Not an exhortation or a shrill denunciation, but an analysis. I hope I have succeeded at that.

And further more...


After reading this letter, you will never again be able to trust Barbara Streisand, and you will see with crystal clarity the way that her ideals are dangerous to my health. To get immediately to the point, her arguments would be a lot more effective if they were at least accurate or intelligent, not just a load of bull for the sake of being controversial. Although she obviously hates my guts (and probably yours, as well), it's a pity that two thousand years after Christ, the voices of horny charlatans like her can still be heard, worse still that they're listened to, and worst of all that anyone believes them. Barbara wants to impugn the patriotism of her opponents. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background.

She is differentiated from your average judgmental, chauvinistic adolescents by virtue of the fact that she wants to assuage the hungers of her hirelings with servings of fresh scapegoats. Her objective is clear: to lead people towards iniquity and sin one of these days. Barbara may encourage young people to break all the rules, cut themselves loose from their roots, and adopt an irresponsible lifestyle right after she reads this letter. Let her. When you least expect it, I will debate the efficacy of Barbara's mischievous zingers. Unequivocally, "Barbara" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone provide lecherous, improvident proletariats with an irresistible temptation to exercise control through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation, I tell him or her to stop "Barbara-ing".

Her "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude is immoral, because it leaves no room for compromise. The few heinous scofflaws who deny this are not only wrong, they are willfully neo-intellectually stultified . She will almost certainly tiptoe around that glaringly evident fact, because if she didn't, you might come to realize that this is a truth that Barbara's adulators are told by Barbara that they cannot acknowledge, lest they give aid and comfort to the rest of us. Let me recap that for you, because it really is extraordinarily important: If Barbara got her way, she'd be able to put a hateful, vicious spin on important issues. Brrrr! It sends chills down my spine just thinking about that. Barbara claims that a book of her writings would be a good addition to the Bible. This is a very prolix and unconstructive view and moreover, is wrong in many ways. She is out to scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. And when we play her game, we become accomplices. I just want to give direction to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality. That's why I propose, argue, cajole, plead, wheedle, and joke about ways to seek some structure in which the cacophony introduced by her disquisitions might be systematized, reconciled, and made rational. Still, the issue of what to do about Barbara Streisand's unconscionable, disgraceful scare tactics is far from settled. The letter you just read should be seen as a starting point for dialogue on this controversial issue.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 13:49:49 PDT 2002 by yamomma]

Ok, now I'm really done.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 13:50:24 PDT 2002 by yamomma]

Aerogram, you have no idea how to use your ADJECTIVES!

Ghatdamn you!

XxAxX said:

Wow... I had missed that one, somehow. I must thank you quickly as Yamomma as seen it fit to launch yet another salvo.

yamomma said:

This is truly a sad day. The fine art of flaming gets automated. What's next? Programs that write a whole novel? "The Great American Novel", by Mike Rozoft?

Be afraid...

nLA said:

That's nonsense. I do a great fine excellent job.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 14:36:55 PDT 2002 by Aerogram]