New topic
PrintableHereToRockYourWorld said: greenpixies said: If you don't believe it exists then it would have no meaning and carry no connotation so why are you offended? Sooooo, something is only legitimately offensive if it's true? That's a masterpiece of logic right there. 
In the universe where the rest of us live, most things are offensive in part because they are NOT true. Men who allow women to have power are wimps? Men who have "female" characteristics are somehow broken? Well, then, bring on the broken, wimpy men. Those are the people I want to share the planet with. Lothan said she doesn't believe feminization of boys with no father exists. That's quite different than saying it isn't true. If it doen't exist then one cannot be offended by it. If apples never existed then how can I know how to talk about them, let alone be offended by them. I am not totally describing your last paragraph when I say what I say. My point is men and women are different and therefore have different roles. The breakdown of those roles leads to perversion and transgression of the family and in general. [Edited 7/2/07 12:21pm] America's political system used to be about the "pursuit of happiness." Now more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered.
"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."- | |
- E-mail - orgNote -  Report post to moderator |
Lothan said: greenpixies said: Wow!! That's too bad. Where's her father? Hate to ruin your day but there is a father in almost every single episode of that show. Blows to hell your theory that two parents make things better.Blows to hell... HER theory? 
It's not hers. it the clear-cut correlation (not theory) of studies in the social sciences. and it's not blown to hell by any singular case, unless you can add up enough of those cases so that they are the norm rather than the exception. ---And they don't, not by LONG shot. . [Edited 7/2/07 12:46pm] Welcome to the New World Odor and
the Mythmaking Moonbattery of Obamanation. Chains We Can Bereave In LIBERALISM IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
HiinEnkelte said: Lothan said: Hate to ruin your day but there is a father in almost every single episode of that show. Blows to hell your theory that two parents make things better.
Blows to hell... HER theory?
It's not hers. it the clear-cut correlation (not theory) of studies in the social sciences. and it's not blown to hell by any singular case, unless you can add up enough of those cases so that they are the norm rather than the exception. ---And they don't, not by LONG shot. . [Edited 7/2/07 12:46pm] Fuck it. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
greenpixies said: Lothan said: Hate to ruin your day but there is a father in almost every single episode of that show. Blows to hell your theory that two parents make things better.
I was just wondering why he didn't step in when she threw such an ingrateful tantrum? That's where my question was going. But it doesn't surprise me that the father and mother are passive and let their daughter control them. That's a common dysfunction in American families. Especially well to do American families. You can see commercials reinforcing it all the time. The kids are smart, coniving and controlling, the parents are passive idiotic baffoons. It's pretty disheartening. Everything's backwards in our society. Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit. Men and women live together and never get married and have bastard children. Men who run off have to pay child support but women who run off don't. Women get to abort their children while the father gets no say whatsoever. Women where the pants in the family while the men are passive wimps. Single women who are raising families or women with passive husbands are feminizing their children. Boys are being castrated by this feminization while girls are embracing 'girl power'. No fault divorce is diminishing the purpose of marriage and now the language defining marriage has become completely perverse. Gosh, thank God we still have a chance to do things right. Two parents that follow biblical standards by the grace of God do have a postive influence on the world and their families! only women are promiscuous? cute.  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
evenstar3 said: greenpixies said: I was just wondering why he didn't step in when she threw such an ingrateful tantrum? That's where my question was going. But it doesn't surprise me that the father and mother are passive and let their daughter control them. That's a common dysfunction in American families. Especially well to do American families. You can see commercials reinforcing it all the time. The kids are smart, coniving and controlling, the parents are passive idiotic baffoons. It's pretty disheartening. Everything's backwards in our society. Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit. Men and women live together and never get married and have bastard children. Men who run off have to pay child support but women who run off don't. Women get to abort their children while the father gets no say whatsoever. Women where the pants in the family while the men are passive wimps. Single women who are raising families or women with passive husbands are feminizing their children. Boys are being castrated by this feminization while girls are embracing 'girl power'. No fault divorce is diminishing the purpose of marriage and now the language defining marriage has become completely perverse. Gosh, thank God we still have a chance to do things right. Two parents that follow biblical standards by the grace of God do have a postive influence on the world and their families! only women are promiscuous? cute. I don't see the word only anywhere. Do you? America's political system used to be about the "pursuit of happiness." Now more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered.
"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."- | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Lothan said: HiinEnkelte said: Blows to hell... HER theory?
It's not hers. it the clear-cut correlation (not theory) of studies in the social sciences. and it's not blown to hell by any singular case, unless you can add up enough of those cases so that they are the norm rather than the exception. ---And they don't, not by LONG shot. . [Edited 7/2/07 12:46pm] Fuck it. And i write what i write with none of it calling into question my love for you,... It is not personal in the very least, nor does it presume to speak to every case...but do you not believe that there is a well established correlation between "problem children" and single-parenthood, and out-of-wedlock births? Are you challenging that there is a positive correlation between them? If so, then do not hold your tongue. or why hold it? No, of course not for every case. Of course there are exceptions. But overall. Anyway, this goes off topic... Welcome to the New World Odor and
the Mythmaking Moonbattery of Obamanation. Chains We Can Bereave In LIBERALISM IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
HiinEnkelte said: Lothan said: Out of love for you, I am gonna hold my tongue.
Fuck it. And i write what i write with none of it calling into question my love for you,... It is not personal in the very least, nor does it presume to speak to every case...but do you not believe that there is a well established correlation between "problem children" and single-parenthood, and out-of-wedlock births? Are you challenging that there is a positive correlation between them? If so, then do not hold your tongue. or why hold it? No, of course not for every case. Of course there are exceptions. But overall. Anyway, this goes off topic... As far as what some survey someone did years ago with regards to single parenting and problem children, I am very curious as to what sample these studies used and if the sample was broad enough. In my personal life, I know a lot of kids born out of wedlock that were not problem kids and I know some who had both parents at home that are holy terrors. I thought it best to hold my tongue in this instance because I cannot bleive you jump to this person's defense they way he/she talks to people on these boards. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
greenpixies said: evenstar3 said: only women are promiscuous? cute. I don't see the word only anywhere. Do you? "Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit." seems like you're blaming women more there to me.  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
evenstar3 said: greenpixies said: I don't see the word only anywhere. Do you? "Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit." seems like you're blaming women more there to me. Obviously I can't list every transgression so I included a few. Men are promiscuous also. If men and women were taking their roles seriously then both men and women wouldn't be promiscuous. Men would be the leaders, the displiners, the ones held accountable for failure. Women would be supporters. Children would have a balance of feminine and masculine influence in their life. I blame women for the evil horned beast of feminism. I blame men for the lazy passive reluctant beast of abdication America's political system used to be about the "pursuit of happiness." Now more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered.
"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."- | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
greenpixies said: evenstar3 said: "Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit." seems like you're blaming women more there to me. Obviously I can't list every transgression so I included a few. Men are promiscuous also. If men and women were taking their roles seriously then both men and women wouldn't be promiscuous. Men would be the leaders, the displiners, the ones held accountable for failure. Women would be supporters. Children would have a balance of feminine and masculine influence in their life. I blame women for the evil horned beast of feminism. I blame men for the lazy passive reluctant beast of abdication | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
greenpixies said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Sooooo, something is only legitimately offensive if it's true? That's a masterpiece of logic right there.
In the universe where the rest of us live, most things are offensive in part because they are NOT true. Men who allow women to have power are wimps? Men who have "female" characteristics are somehow broken? Well, then, bring on the broken, wimpy men. Those are the people I want to share the planet with. Lothan said she doesn't believe feminization of boys with no father exists. That's quite different than saying it isn't true. If it doen't exist then one cannot be offended by it. If apples never existed then how can I know how to talk about them, let alone be offended by them. I am not totally describing your last paragraph when I say what I say. My point is men and women are different and therefore have different roles. The breakdown of those roles leads to perversion and transgression of the family and in general. [Edited 7/2/07 12:21pm] Hon, your weird wordgames won't work with me. If you make a claim about something being true (ie. a real thing in the world, or, a phenomenon that EXISTS), somebody can very easily be offended by your claim that it's true/exists. By your argument, nobody could ever be offended by any claim of the existence of something. And that's just stupid. 
PEOPLE are different from one another and should be free to live their lives without feeling shame for failing to conform to YOUR views about what men and women should be. And, whether you like it or not, people are NOT going to conform to your views about what men and women should be (or your views on anything else, for that matter). You can spend your life trying to force them on us, or, you can live your life and let us live ours.  oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Lothan said: HiinEnkelte said: And i write what i write with none of it calling into question my love for you,... It is not personal in the very least, nor does it presume to speak to every case...but do you not believe that there is a well established correlation between "problem children" and single-parenthood, and out-of-wedlock births? Are you challenging that there is a positive correlation between them? If so, then do not hold your tongue. or why hold it? No, of course not for every case. Of course there are exceptions. But overall. Anyway, this goes off topic... In the context of what the other person said, that premise does not work. If you have ever seen the show, you know that practically every teen on there has both parents at home. no i am not familiar with the show, and i take your word for it. As far as what some survey someone did years ago with regards to single parenting and problem children, I am very curious as to what sample these studies used and if the sample was broad enough.
i myself and my 4 siblings were raised in a single parent home. i know that it can work, but i also know that it ain't easy, and statistically the odds are not in our favor. In my personal life, I know a lot of kids born out of wedlock that were not problem kids and I know some who had both parents at home that are holy terrors.
of course. which are the exceptions? which show the stronger correlations? I thought it best to hold my tongue in this instance because I cannot bleive you jump to this person's defense they way he/she talks to people on these boards.
i really am not defending anyone. I chimed in to defend the notion that parents matter, mothers matter, and fathers matter. all things being equal children overall fare much better in homes with both biological married parents. anytime somebody posts something to the effect that father's (or mothers) don't matter, or that we don't need to strive as a society so that children are born and raised in situations where fathers (and mothers) have prominent roles in the lives of their children then i'm going to feel well within the bounds of reason, reality, and justice to counter it or challenge it. Yes exceptions can be furnished. of course. But if the stats are heavily weighted in favor of that set-up, then it would be remiss of me-if i truly wish to speak in the best interest of children -to ignore that. Welcome to the New World Odor and
the Mythmaking Moonbattery of Obamanation. Chains We Can Bereave In LIBERALISM IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Back to Sweet Sixteen...the only thing cheesier then the girls getting fancy ole parties, are the guys who get them..remember that guy who had his be a fashion sow? he got so nervous he barfed before the show!!  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
HereToRockYourWorld said: greenpixies said: Lothan said she doesn't believe feminization of boys with no father exists. That's quite different than saying it isn't true. If it doen't exist then one cannot be offended by it. If apples never existed then how can I know how to talk about them, let alone be offended by them. I am not totally describing your last paragraph when I say what I say. My point is men and women are different and therefore have different roles. The breakdown of those roles leads to perversion and transgression of the family and in general. [Edited 7/2/07 12:21pm] Hon, your weird wordgames won't work with me. If you make a claim about something being true (ie. a real thing in the world, or, a phenomenon that EXISTS), somebody can very easily be offended by your claim that it's true/exists. By your argument, nobody could ever be offended by any claim of the existence of something. And that's just stupid.
PEOPLE are different from one another and should be free to live their lives without feeling shame for failing to conform to YOUR views about what men and women should be. And, whether you like it or not, people are NOT going to conform to your views about what men and women should be (or your views on anything else, for that matter). You can spend your life trying to force them on us, or, you can live your life and let us live ours. I want to clarify that these are not specifically MY views. These are not subjective truths. These are not even radical truths. These are biblical and practical truths. So, calling them 'my views' that I'm trying to 'force people into conformity with' will not discredit the practical and biblical truth of what I'm saying. America's political system used to be about the "pursuit of happiness." Now more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered.
"Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other."- | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MissMe said: I would take the Lexus off her, sell it, and give her this instead. Then she can cry.
give it to he minus the poor animal. Why should it have to suffer? Id hitch her un-grateful ass to the cart and make her pull her friends around to parties. she could be the designated driver. Not only could she not drink, but imagine the lesson learned from having trot a buggie full of drunk revelers around. A happy face, A Thumpin Bass, For A Lovin' Race. PEACE. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
greenpixies said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Hon, your weird wordgames won't work with me. If you make a claim about something being true (ie. a real thing in the world, or, a phenomenon that EXISTS), somebody can very easily be offended by your claim that it's true/exists. By your argument, nobody could ever be offended by any claim of the existence of something. And that's just stupid.
PEOPLE are different from one another and should be free to live their lives without feeling shame for failing to conform to YOUR views about what men and women should be. And, whether you like it or not, people are NOT going to conform to your views about what men and women should be (or your views on anything else, for that matter). You can spend your life trying to force them on us, or, you can live your life and let us live ours. I want to clarify that these are not specifically MY views. These are not subjective truths. These are not even radical truths. These are biblical and practical truths. So, calling them 'my views' that I'm trying to 'force people into conformity with' will not discredit the practical and biblical truth of what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying. Of course, I do not believe that the bible is a source of truth (except as parable). And I fail to see the "practical" truth of rigid gender roles. So, my point about not expecting other people to live their lives by your views stands. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Ok now, this beats the cake! Today I had it on as I was fixing dinner...and the idiot guy, recieved not one but 2 cars! WTF!! | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Lothan said: greenpixies said: I was just wondering why he didn't step in when she threw such an ingrateful tantrum? That's where my question was going. But it doesn't surprise me that the father and mother are passive and let their daughter control them. That's a common dysfunction in American families. Especially well to do American families. You can see commercials reinforcing it all the time. The kids are smart, coniving and controlling, the parents are passive idiotic baffoons. It's pretty disheartening. Everything's backwards in our society. Women want to have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want and have no consequences. Men get to have sex with these promiscuous women and therefore never commit. Men and women live together and never get married and have bastard children. Men who run off have to pay child support but women who run off don't. Women get to abort their children while the father gets no say whatsoever. Women where the pants in the family while the men are passive wimps. Single women who are raising families or women with passive husbands are feminizing their children. Boys are being castrated by this feminization while girls are embracing 'girl power'. No fault divorce is diminishing the purpose of marriage and now the language defining marriage has become completely perverse. Gosh, thank God we still have a chance to do things right. Two parents that follow biblical standards by the grace of God do have a postive influence on the world and their families!   | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Janfriend said: Lothan said: If you think my sons are feminized because I raised them as a single mother, you can go to hell. Straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
| |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |