The CIA (i.e. the U.S.) installed both Saddam and the Taliban. Washington's aim was to have leaders in those countries who would play ball with U.S. corporate oil interests on "our" terms. Their despotism kept the people of Iraq and Afghanistan poor and powerless thus furthering the climate for exploitation. Once these guys started to want to call their own shots on their region's oil only THEN did they become "our" enemies. The U.S. aims once again to install despotic rulers in these countries who will be compliant to the interests of U.S. corporate oil investments. If the U.S. really cared about democracy and ending terror then we would help the people of those countries establish their own governments and call their own shots. That's NOT the agenda of Bush's "War on Terror"

Remember also that the U.S. is the world's number 1 manufacturer, possessor and seller of biological weapons of mass destruction.

Don't suck up the corporate owned/controlled media! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
[This message was edited Tue Sep 24 16:51:15 PDT 2002 by WillieThePimp]

WillieThePimp said:

this was out when he was runnin for office...
are you shocked???

Loving your work Willie. Well said man...

HERE HERE!!! and koodos to Al Gore for stepping up to the plate and telling it like it is...

what makes me laugh is the Bush Admin constant complaining that Gore is irrelevant...Excuse me but, how can the man who won the general election be irrelevant?

he-he-hello?

I would stop him if only i could

September 24, 2002 in the Seattle Post Intelligencer:
U.S. was a Key Supplier to Saddam

http://www.commondreams.o...924-05.htm

"with White House approval, U.S. officials -- acting in our name -- continued to supply Saddam Hussein with biochemical warfare ingredients until after the Gulf War."

"...even after Saddam gassed the Kurds in 1988, the Bush administration thought it proper to keep sending these materials until at least a year after what is now Saddam's most infamous atrocity (though not his most heinous act)."

"When Saddam was at the pinnacle of his power Rumsfeld and other hard-liners had no problem sitting down at the discussion table with one of the world's axis of evil."

Did Soulpower change his name to Williethepimp?

blah blah blah. yes, Bush sucks. but something's got to be done, and he's the guy in charge, like it or not.

or do you prefer the wait-and-see method? by then it's too late, and Europe is suffering from nuclear winter for a couple decades.

WillieThePimp said:

Not true regarding the Taliban.

The Taliban are simply religious students who were given a political role in Afghanistan -- a role they were ill-equipped for -- by the Pakistan government, at the time headed by the democratic government of Benazir Bhutto. (This was mid-nineties). They were looking for a safe back yard in case of any conflict with India and a buffer against the Soviet Union.

You probably mean the Northern Alliance, if you mean anything at all.

And in global politics, things shift over time. You can't be that conspiracy minded.



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[This message was edited Tue Sep 24 18:09:35 PDT 2002 by 2the9s]

Neverthless, Bush should be stopped, which is why these ill-informed conspiracy theories don't help matters.

2the9s said:

Indeed he should.

Did you get those articles emailed from our friend?

This is a very worrying period we live in.

What I don't understand is why we are even talking about Saddam Hussein these days!

Does anybody even know? Seriously!

2the9s said:

Did somebody say "election"?

bkw said:

He's not going to start a war to sway mid-term elections, especially when the whole country is already supporting him and his Afghanistan campaign as it is.

I've heard that argument before and it doesn't make any sense. He has too much to lose down the road -- for his own election. Although maybe he figures he can lawyer his way into the White House again.

george bush is an evil, dangerous man. cunning yet stupid. powerful yet irresponsible and undereducated. and i can't understand why our elected officials aren't standing up to this obviously corrupt idiot.

grassroots movements aren't enough. he is deaf to the voice of the people. bush has repeatedly and clearly displayed his contempt of the democratic process.

i would personally cram an entire BAG of pretzels into his stupid mouth and watch him choke if i could get close enough.

god how i wish i could personally finance a revolution

2the9s said:

i dont think that many people feel thats the reason Bush wants Iraq down...

most people realize the guy is an idiot who *cant* comprehend what he is doing...thats *why* people are afraid of the man... :LOL:

WillieThePimp said:

This is almost as bad as the Satan's Claws poem...or whatever.

XxAxX said:

And, oh, how they would talk about u if u were President.

Nep2nes said:

R u serious?

Yes, Bush is evil, but he's not the only man to blame. Be aware. Notice that the article never mentions "Bush" and only references the U.S. Government instead. This is much bigger than just one man.

You tell 'em, Pook!

Nep2nes said:

Neps u r all knowing aren't ya ?, man u have 2 open ur eyes, ur leader W. B is incompetent and stooopid!!!
He is destroying everything the US have build up!! Negating the European Union all 4 oil and power (he is sick...)
I would support XxaxX's revolution even if I'm from Europe!!

aw nep i would NEVER run for president. can't stand the game playing required. besides, i'd probably do more harm than good.


rule one: know your own limitations. i know mine, bush clearly does not know his

Bush and Cheney remind me of two other guys I know, go by the names of Palpatine and Dooku!

I'd eat Bush if I could!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

no, he didnt! yiu might not believe it, supa, but I am not the only "communist", "conspiracy theorist" and "revisionist" on the org... there's more people with brains and that gives me hope.

2the9s said:

2the9s is totally right. the taliban were not installed by the US. however, they were supported by the US in 1996 because back then they had agreed to cooperate with unical, they were even invited to the white house. when they changed their mind and decided NOT to do business with the US they all over sudden turned into a national threat. strangely enough back then the US didnt care about how the taliban treated women...

soulpower said:

They were also actively and successfuly destroying their opium crops, because under Muslim law they were forbidden. This was an unusual and frankly justified moment of agreement between us and them. Why shouldn't we support this and the subsequent efforts by them to transform their economy into an agriculturally based one? In the long run, this could have provided a stability that no amount of peacekeepers or military action could.

At this point (mid-nineties) the remnants of the Mujahadeen and Osama Bin Laden's band of merry murderers had not yet completely hijacked Afghanistan for their own purposes. It was in our interest to see the country flourish in the wake of Soviet withdrawal. Despite what most people say, we were remaining engaged, if only financially. And frankly if we had remained engaged in any other way (like militarily), we would have infuriated the population at large even further.



I don't know if they didn't care. They certainly didn't act. I remember hearing about the plight of women through a petition that was circultated years ago ('96, '97?). But honestly, what should the American government have done? Asserted Western progressive values on a fundamentalist Muslim society? Excercised sanctions? Again this would have infuriated the Taliban-led, fundamentalist Muslim population, and been used as evidence of our imperialism.

Even now in the war on terror, it may very well be a mistake to insist on the absolute freedom of women in the country, demanding that they have a role in the government. As much as any military occupation, this could be seen as a tactic of cultural imperialism and breed further resentment.

I am not suggesting that the treatment of women in Afghanistan (and Saudi Arabia!!) be ignored (It is, in my mind, one of the great tragedies of modern times); but, like everything else he has done, Bush has a particluarly ham-fisted way of going about this and it might not be the best time for it.

Bush has made the treatment of women an issue of propaganda -- even RAWA has recognized this and tried to distance itself from the liberationist rhetoric that attended the fall of Khabul and Khandahar.

AaronForever said:

Aaron,
When did you become such an ass-licker for Corporate Empire U.S.A./Capitalismo Inc.? What kinda propaganda machine did they put you through at that college?
Try calling the Rush Limbaugh show or any call-in show on the Fox Network and introduce yourself as a gay man...