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Reply #90 posted 09/25/02 12:35pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

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Yes and if given the chance, you and people who share your one sided blindness to the issue will jump at the chance to take away this choice i.e. reversal of Roe Vs Wade.

Suddenly, I'm blind, simply because I believe in something you don't. Thanks a lot. That's all you get for sharing your opinion at the org. Someone to come along, call you close-minded, unrealistic, and wrong. wave



But the thing is Battier, leaving Roe v. Wade alone allows for women to make the personal choice. The women who don't want an abortion are free to have their babies. The women who do want an abortion are free to terminate their pregnancies. Reversing Roe v. Wade takes away that choice. The weighing of morals and the ability to make the choice to take responsiblity. And until there is a concensus in the US on this issue, the choice needs to be available.


I have no more opinions to give today. I'm wrong, young-minded, close-minded, an idiot conservative, and unrealistic. Perhaps another day we can debate, Aaron.


Bartier, believe it or not I'm not "youth" bashing. I'm 32 and believe me when I tell you this, the issues you face at 32 vs the issues you deal with at 16 are worlds apart.
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Reply #91 posted 09/25/02 12:40pm

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Bartier, believe it or not I'm not "youth" bashing. I'm 32 and believe me when I tell you this, the issues you face at 32 vs the issues you deal with at 16 are worlds apart.


It hasn't to do with whether I think you're youth-bashing or not. Ultimately, it's not your place to tell me whether I'm right or wrong in opinion - whether I'm 16, or 50.

I know issues you face at double my age are different than what I face, but that doesn't make you an authority that can tell anyone what they believe personally is right or wrong. I don't believe I said in this thread anywhere you were wrong. I said I felt people shouldn't have abortions, because personally, I don't think it's right.

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.
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Reply #92 posted 09/25/02 12:46pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?
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Reply #93 posted 09/25/02 12:55pm

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AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.
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Reply #94 posted 09/25/02 1:08pm

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Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.


Battier unfortunately in this situation there is no right or wrong answer. The whole thing sucks, really.

I hope you didn't get the wrong impression from my other post. It's wasn't meant to flame you.
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Reply #95 posted 09/25/02 1:13pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.
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Reply #96 posted 09/25/02 1:17pm

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AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


No, it doesn't matter. Because apparently, my opinion in the matter is wrong no matter what I say. I believe that's been shown already. We mustn't forget, I'm unrealistic Aaron, and any opinion I have to offer is unrealistic, and close-minded. And somehow, I'd end up having shit on someone else's opinion.
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Reply #97 posted 09/25/02 1:21pm

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CarrieLee said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.


Battier unfortunately in this situation there is no right or wrong answer. The whole thing sucks, really.

I hope you didn't get the wrong impression from my other post. It's wasn't meant to flame you.


But, it IS a thread asking for opinion, of which I gave mine, and was told I was wrong. I never said I was right, and I don't recall having told anyone they were wrong.

I didn't take offense to your post, nor think you were trying to flame me. It did however, annoy me. I've yet to shit on anyone's opinion. I have, of course, had mine shitted on all throughout this thread, because it differs from SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy's, who thinks everything I have to say is unrealistic.
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Reply #98 posted 09/25/02 1:25pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


No, it doesn't matter. Because apparently, my opinion in the matter is wrong no matter what I say. I believe that's been shown already. We mustn't forget, I'm unrealistic Aaron, and any opinion I have to offer is unrealistic, and close-minded. And somehow, I'd end up having shit on someone else's opinion.


since when does that matter around here? biggrin

please don't get your feelings hurt because someone's arguing against you, because they disagree with you.
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Reply #99 posted 09/25/02 1:34pm

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AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


This is EXACTLY my point. I'm not saying you are wrong in what you feel is right for YOU but if you support taking away the right to choose (which you have avoided answering) then your opinion becomes much more than just an opinion. Especially if you would stand in line to vote down the right to choose.
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Reply #100 posted 09/25/02 1:37pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


This is EXACTLY my point. I'm not saying you are wrong in what you feel is right for YOU but if you support taking away the right to choose (which you have avoided answering) then your opinion becomes much more than just an opinion. Especially if you would stand in line to vote down the right to choose.


Which I NEVER said I would vote down the right to choose. Even if I would, I couldn't. Not for another year and a half anyhow...But that's irrelevant. The only point you've shown throughout this thread is that you believe I'm wrong for having an opinion that's right for me - which I never said I'd push off on all the women of the world. I simply stated what I felt was right.
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Reply #101 posted 09/25/02 1:43pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


This is EXACTLY my point. I'm not saying you are wrong in what you feel is right for YOU but if you support taking away the right to choose (which you have avoided answering) then your opinion becomes much more than just an opinion. Especially if you would stand in line to vote down the right to choose.


Which I NEVER said I would vote down the right to choose. Even if I would, I couldn't. Not for another year and a half anyhow...But that's irrelevant. The only point you've shown throughout this thread is that you believe I'm wrong for having an opinion that's right for me - which I never said I'd push off on all the women of the world. I simply stated what I felt was right.


It's completely relevant. Most people who feel as strongly against abortion as you do are also not supportive of a person's legal right to decide the outcome of their own life. Suppose you were legally able to vote and there was put before you a law that would ban abortions, would you vote yes or no?
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Reply #102 posted 09/25/02 1:46pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Ultimately, it's none of my business to decide whether another woman has one or not either. However, I am entitled to the opinion that it's wrong to do so, am I not? Just as you are entitled to the opinion that abortions are fine and dandy.



Then you don't think it should be illegal?


Doesn't matter what I say. I'd be wrong regardless, right.



sure it matters. you'd only be wrong if you said that it wasn't up to you to decide whether another woman had an abortion but said you wanted it to be illegal.


This is EXACTLY my point. I'm not saying you are wrong in what you feel is right for YOU but if you support taking away the right to choose (which you have avoided answering) then your opinion becomes much more than just an opinion. Especially if you would stand in line to vote down the right to choose.


Which I NEVER said I would vote down the right to choose. Even if I would, I couldn't. Not for another year and a half anyhow...But that's irrelevant. The only point you've shown throughout this thread is that you believe I'm wrong for having an opinion that's right for me - which I never said I'd push off on all the women of the world. I simply stated what I felt was right.


It's completely relevant. Most people who feel as strongly against abortion as you do are also not supportive of a person's legal right to decide the outcome of their own life. Suppose you were legally able to vote and there was put before you a law that would ban abortions, would you vote yes or no?


Ugh, I thought voting was a private matter between myself and the voting booth.

At any rate, I'd vote no. Just as I have the right to sit here and say it's wrong, and say what I'd do, and as strongly as I feel against people going out and having sex, and then not accepting responsibility, and destroying potential...I can't say anyone has to believe the way I do, or, doesn't have the right to make their own choices in life, can I?

Sort of like you sitting here telling me I'm wrong, isn't it? That's not right, either.
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Reply #103 posted 09/25/02 1:47pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:


Sort of like you sitting here telling me I'm wrong, isn't it? That's not right, either.



I think he's just trying to suss out if you're a hypocrite like a bunch of people who think like you are. Gladly, you're not woot!
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Reply #104 posted 09/25/02 1:48pm

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This has turned into a debate about whether or not abortion is right or wrong, instead of the original point. I question the motive of HRH (or whoever) who supposedly thinks our answers will help his friend. What will help his friend is if she gets counseling for post traumatic stress disorder, not reading a bunch of P orgers comments. Most people have strong feelings one way or the other on the topic, and no amount of debate usually sways a person's opinion. If anything does, it's a personal experience.

I find it sad that HRH has succeeded in pitting ORgers against one another with such an emotionally loaded topic.
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Reply #105 posted 09/25/02 1:49pm

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AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:


Sort of like you sitting here telling me I'm wrong, isn't it? That's not right, either.



I think he's just trying to suss out if you're a hypocrite like a bunch of people who think like you are. Gladly, you're not woot!


And here all along, I thought he was just trying to be an asshole...rolleyes

Though a fairly good-looking asshole.
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Reply #106 posted 09/25/02 1:58pm

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Tom said:

I cant get past the fact if a kid is 6 or so months alive it can be legally killed, but once its been alive for 9 months or longer, its considered murder. Several months seperate a woman from exercising her individual rights to being a heinous murderer. That has always bothered me.

When I was attending Catholic school I was always pro life because I was taught to be. When I left the church I became pro-choice for reasons Im still unclear of, maybe it was the trendy thing to be when youre in college.

Anyhow, Im in my late 20s now, ditched all the propaganda from the church I was raised on, and thinking for myself these days I honestly deep down dont agree with abortion.

We don't have a "choice" over everything in our lives, including pregnancy. I can choose to do drugs, and mess my life up, and all Im really hurting is myself, but its my choice. When a woman chooses to have an abortion, shes making decisions for two parties, not just one. Its one thing for a parent to decide what cereal their kid can eat, and another to decide whether they can live or die.

The biggest group of people, to my knowledge, seeking abortions are those who irresponsibly had unprotected sex and dont want to be bothered with the inconvenience of raising a child. The majority isnt rape victims, leaky condomns, and other such instances.

If it comes between someones life and inconveniencing another, life wins hands down for me.


You should do some informed research, not just listen to religious institutions. The Alan Guttmacher Institute has some good, accurate information. Medical statistics show that over 90% of abortions are performed within the first trimester of pregnancy. Research also shows that most couples were using a method of contraception. Also, the huge majority of women who get abortions never have another one. Finally, there are only 2 places in the U.S. that perform later-term abortions, and those are almost always done in cases where the fetus would be born with painful, hideously deformed physical problems and would most likely die immediately upon birth.

Most people are terribly uninformed when it comes to abortion and listen to very biased, loud, hyper-emotional, illogical 'information' from so-called Right to Life.


Its alive in my mind from the moment its concieved. I dont think there should be a timeframe we alot to kill somebody during the course of their life.

The main point Im getting across, is how do you determine in your mind when its ok to kill someone?

Most people who are proponents of abortion also ignore the fact that the baby is alive and talk about everything but that.

I, by no stretch of the imagination, want to be associated with the pro-life fanatics out there, and bible thumpers who are just as bad. But I am entitled to my own opinion right?


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Reply #107 posted 09/25/02 2:16pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

AaronForever said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:


Sort of like you sitting here telling me I'm wrong, isn't it? That's not right, either.



I think he's just trying to suss out if you're a hypocrite like a bunch of people who think like you are. Gladly, you're not woot!


And here all along, I thought he was just trying to be an asshole...rolleyes

Though a fairly good-looking asshole.


Yes, this is all I was doing, just trying to figure out where you stand and call you out if you were a big fake smile
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Reply #108 posted 09/25/02 3:01pm

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Tom said:

AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said:

Tom said:

I cant get past the fact if a kid is 6 or so months alive it can be legally killed, but once its been alive for 9 months or longer, its considered murder. Several months seperate a woman from exercising her individual rights to being a heinous murderer. That has always bothered me.

When I was attending Catholic school I was always pro life because I was taught to be. When I left the church I became pro-choice for reasons Im still unclear of, maybe it was the trendy thing to be when youre in college.

Anyhow, Im in my late 20s now, ditched all the propaganda from the church I was raised on, and thinking for myself these days I honestly deep down dont agree with abortion.

We don't have a "choice" over everything in our lives, including pregnancy. I can choose to do drugs, and mess my life up, and all Im really hurting is myself, but its my choice. When a woman chooses to have an abortion, shes making decisions for two parties, not just one. Its one thing for a parent to decide what cereal their kid can eat, and another to decide whether they can live or die.

The biggest group of people, to my knowledge, seeking abortions are those who irresponsibly had unprotected sex and dont want to be bothered with the inconvenience of raising a child. The majority isnt rape victims, leaky condomns, and other such instances.

If it comes between someones life and inconveniencing another, life wins hands down for me.


You should do some informed research, not just listen to religious institutions. The Alan Guttmacher Institute has some good, accurate information. Medical statistics show that over 90% of abortions are performed within the first trimester of pregnancy. Research also shows that most couples were using a method of contraception. Also, the huge majority of women who get abortions never have another one. Finally, there are only 2 places in the U.S. that perform later-term abortions, and those are almost always done in cases where the fetus would be born with painful, hideously deformed physical problems and would most likely die immediately upon birth.

Most people are terribly uninformed when it comes to abortion and listen to very biased, loud, hyper-emotional, illogical 'information' from so-called Right to Life.


Its alive in my mind from the moment its concieved. I dont think there should be a timeframe we alot to kill somebody during the course of their life.

The main point Im getting across, is how do you determine in your mind when its ok to kill someone?

Most people who are proponents of abortion also ignore the fact that the baby is alive and talk about everything but that.

I, by no stretch of the imagination, want to be associated with the pro-life fanatics out there, and bible thumpers who are just as bad. But I am entitled to my own opinion right?



I for one am not denying that the process of life starts at conception but anti abortion proponents argue AS VEHEMENTLY against the RU486 pill. Preventing the further division of cells in a fertilized egg in the first day(s) of pregnancy is not the same thing as a partial birth abortion. Totally different ball park.

Even though I do agree that the process of life begins at conception, I'm still not in favor of bringing kids into abusive situations. I have a friend who's sister is a heroin addict. She's lost custody of her 2 kids and is now pregnant with a 3rd. SHE HAS NO BUSINESS BEING PREGNANT. I totally don't agree that the correct choice is for her to have another baby. I believe that abortion is totally warranted in this case. And the next time I hear the argument about adoption, I only want to hear this argument if you have adopted someone yourself. Otherwise it's nothing but hot air. This is why I'm so bothered about the religious right's insistance on people giving birth to unwanted children. They will campain up until the point that the child is born and then they are nowhere to be found afterward. Do you think any right to lifer is going to be there to pick up the shattered pieces after my friend's heroin addicted sister gives birth? Nope.
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Reply #109 posted 09/25/02 5:59pm

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Tom said:

Its alive in my mind from the moment its concieved. I dont think there should be a timeframe we alot to kill somebody during the course of their life.

The main point Im getting across, is how do you determine in your mind when its ok to kill someone?

Most people who are proponents of abortion also ignore the fact that the baby is alive and talk about everything but that.

I, by no stretch of the imagination, want to be associated with the pro-life fanatics out there, and bible thumpers who are just as bad. But I am entitled to my own opinion right?

Can I put a hypothetical question to you?

Just say a loved one of yours has a terrible car accident and ends up a brain dead vegetable. Do you support pulling the plug so that his/her life is ended?

That person is technically alive as is unborn fetus. They are similar in that there is no concious thought.

What would you do? I'll bet that most anti-abortionists would "pull the plug" in this situation. There is very little difference imho.

p.s I am in NO WAY wishing any harm on your love ones. It is just a hypothetical question. smile
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While I'm vehemently pro-choice, I think the "morning after pill," and wider availability to it, brings an interesting angle into all of this.
I've actually taken it myself, a couple of years ago. Long story short- the condom broke. I feaked out like crazy and went to the clinic the next day. I had no idea if I was pregnant or not (obviously), but the possibility was there, and the pregnancy was prevented, right then and there. There are PLENTY of women who could benefit from this knowledge, yet so few know it's out there or know where to get it. I still think abortion should be a choice. But we have such great medical advancements, it's a wonder in this day and age we can't do more towards prevention.

Comprehensive sex education and self-esteem building for young women is the key to preventing unwanted pregnancies. Not abortion laws.

Just my 2 cents...

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?
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Reply #111 posted 09/25/02 7:21pm

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SHE KILLED HER SELF...

END OF DISCUSSION.

HRH O+>
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Reply #112 posted 09/26/02 9:09am

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CarrieMpls said:

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?


In my experience, most pro-lifers I've come across act as aggressively towards their opposition to RU486 as they do to abortion. Preventing the egg from implanting itself on the uteran wall is just not the same thing as aborting a fetus. I can't see how anyone can be against this pill.
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Reply #113 posted 09/26/02 9:35am

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i would just like to know why the pro-lifers are so violent? there is no ends to those means!!

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Reply #114 posted 09/26/02 10:21am

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I don't believe in murder. So I would definately keep the baby in a heartbeat. No to adoption.

I would give the baby lots of love. Lots of hugs and kisses 2 heart


definitely smile
and he's sooo beautiful!!

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Reply #115 posted 09/26/02 11:43am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

CarrieMpls said:

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?


In my experience, most pro-lifers I've come across act as aggressively towards their opposition to RU486 as they do to abortion. Preventing the egg from implanting itself on the uteran wall is just not the same thing as aborting a fetus. I can't see how anyone can be against this pill.


Any "pro-lifers" care to comment on their opinion on the RU486 pill???...
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Reply #116 posted 09/26/02 5:57pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

CarrieMpls said:

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?


In my experience, most pro-lifers I've come across act as aggressively towards their opposition to RU486 as they do to abortion. Preventing the egg from implanting itself on the uteran wall is just not the same thing as aborting a fetus. I can't see how anyone can be against this pill.


Supa, you're actually making a common mistake: the "morning after" pill and RU486 are not the same thing. The morning after pill (Emergency Contraception) can only be taken within 48 hrs. of unprotected sex and prevents the ovary from releasing an egg, or if it's already been released,from implanting. RU486 is also known as a"medical abortion" and can be taken through the 3rd month of pregnancy to end a pregnancy by causing spontaneous miscarriage.

The morning after pill is basically just really strong birth control pills. You take 1 right away, then another one 12 hrs. later.
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Reply #117 posted 09/26/02 6:33pm

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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

CarrieMpls said:

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?


In my experience, most pro-lifers I've come across act as aggressively towards their opposition to RU486 as they do to abortion. Preventing the egg from implanting itself on the uteran wall is just not the same thing as aborting a fetus. I can't see how anyone can be against this pill.


Supa, you're actually making a common mistake: the "morning after" pill and RU486 are not the same thing. The morning after pill (Emergency Contraception) can only be taken within 48 hrs. of unprotected sex and prevents the ovary from releasing an egg, or if it's already been released,from implanting. RU486 is also known as a"medical abortion" and can be taken through the 3rd month of pregnancy to end a pregnancy by causing spontaneous miscarriage.

The morning after pill is basically just really strong birth control pills. You take 1 right away, then another one 12 hrs. later.


Thank you for the education. I had only heard of RU486 and thought it was the morning after pill. Does the morning after pill have a medical label, i.e. RU486?
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Reply #118 posted 09/27/02 3:34am

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CarrieMpls said:

While I'm vehemently pro-choice, I think the "morning after pill," and wider availability to it, brings an interesting angle into all of this.
I've actually taken it myself, a couple of years ago. Long story short- the condom broke. I feaked out like crazy and went to the clinic the next day. I had no idea if I was pregnant or not (obviously), but the possibility was there, and the pregnancy was prevented, right then and there. There are PLENTY of women who could benefit from this knowledge, yet so few know it's out there or know where to get it. I still think abortion should be a choice. But we have such great medical advancements, it's a wonder in this day and age we can't do more towards prevention.

Comprehensive sex education and self-esteem building for young women is the key to preventing unwanted pregnancies. Not abortion laws.

Just my 2 cents...

I'd find it interesting to find out how the staunch pro-lifers feel about the morning after pill... Are they as against it as much as abortion?




Someone after my own heart sigh...I'm a pro-lifer who believes in pro-choice (think about it and you'll figure it out).

I work with women daily and it's not only sex education but it's definitely self-esteem building and relationship skills building activities that have to take place. All the talk about "being responsible" has to come with more than just some pregnancy prevention campaign or someone pushing birth control...women have sex for more reasons than pleasure...babies have been born while on birth control pills and using condoms, etc. It's time to take off the band aid and actually just stitch up the problem.


FYI: I was pregnant at 22 and I'm now 34 and my daugther is 11. I chose life but I did have support.
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Reply #119 posted 09/27/02 10:12am

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HRHthesmellofJazmin said:

this child became the subject of physical, sexual, and mental abuse. and now that this child is in "adult years" these elements of child rearing have taken its toll. we here at The DownLoad Society are seeking advise on how to heal this individual's "LOVE SCARS". We feel this is a high priority and wish to do what is necessary to remove the physcological damage to this individual.

thank you

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@The DownLoad Society


Is this the question or what we would do if... then is C

The second answer can't been answered so fast and give advice, without knowing this individual's life nearer and never had talked to him.

But I agree with Rhonda :self-esteem building and relationship skills building activities are good steps.
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