NWF said:

Impossible What woman would put up with your whiny ass?

I still think NWF is Digital Lisa

I still think NWF is Digital Lisa

REDFEATHERS said:

Au Contraire. Many here on Prince.org can set the record straight and prove you wrong.

I'll tell you a secret, you'll never be totally ready for children the best thing to do is have them before it's too late and learn as you go like everybody else. Never say you don't want to bring a child into this messed up world, because that child may someday become a great leader.

Teacher said:

Certainly a woman with more sense and maturity than you!

Zing!

NWF said:

See what happens when I'm away from the org for two weeks? I miss all the good stuff.

psychodelicide said:

psychodelicide!! I noticed you were gone, did you move yet?

PaisleyPark5083 said:

Hey! I haven't moved yet, but I'm looking for a job here in North Carolina. Not sure if it will happen or not, but I will keep everybody posted.

psychodelicide said:

Nice to see you!, you really do notice when someone is gone for awhile...

I dont want children and people think I'm crazy;like I'm SUPPOSED to have them.

Flowerz said:

I'll tell you a secret, you'll never be totally ready for children the best thing to do is have them before it's too late and learn as you go like everybody else. Never say you don't want to bring a child into this messed up world, because that child may someday become a great leader.

wlcm2thdwn said:

Or a serial killer. Or a junkie. And, if you did all the things that parents do with their kids (little league, 4-H club, road trips, checking homework, the "talk") it will likely have had little to do with your parenting of that person but everyone will look at you and say "there goes (insert serial killer's name here)mom/dad. Boy, did she/he/they ever mess that up."

Parenting is hard, it is thankless, it is emotionally and physically draining and the hard times outweigh the good for many parents (especially single ones). You cease to be whoever you were before you had the child. And people don't wanna admit it because other people try to make you feel like admitting this means you don't love your kids. I love my son. I did not intend to have any child. I love him but if I could turn back time...anyway, perhaps 20 years from now I will feel differently but really, it's 20 years, y'know.

People need to ... well not all people, but a lot of people need to quit trying to pass off parenthood like it is some fatastic journey back through your own childhood or whatever or some major experiment to see who can raise the next Martin Luther King. It's fucking hard work. NO time off, No vacations, No probation before judgement- none of that. True, you do not have to be ready to have a kid, But if you really don't want children make damn sure you don't risk ending up with one.
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Whew - VERY honest post there.

As someone who was brought up as the apple of one parent's eye and completely loathed by the other, I couldn't agree more. It scares me how easy it is to bring another life into this world.


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yeah, it's easy to bring them here. but once they're here, you can't just save the receipt and return their little butts when they don't turn out like you wanted them to. I'm typing this and sword fighting with my little burden, er, boy now.

CalhounSq said:

what?

People need to ... well not all people, but a lot of people need to quit trying to pass off parenthood like it is some fatastic journey back through your own childhood or whatever or some major experiment to see who can raise the next Martin Luther King. It's fucking hard work. NO time off, No vacations, No probation before judgement- none of that. True, you do not have to be ready to have a kid, But if you really don't want children make damn sure you don't risk ending up with one.
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wlcm2thdwn said:

Or a serial killer. Or a junkie. And, if you did all the things that parents do with their kids (little league, 4-H club, road trips, checking homework, the "talk") it will likely have had little to do with your parenting of that person but everyone will look at you and say "there goes (insert serial killer's name here)mom/dad. Boy, did she/he/they ever mess that up."

Parenting is hard, it is thankless, it is emotionally and physically draining and the hard times outweigh the good for many parents (especially single ones). You cease to be whoever you were before you had the child. And people don't wanna admit it because other people try to make you feel like admitting this means you don't love your kids. I love my son. I did not intend to have any child. I love him but if I could turn back time...anyway, perhaps 20 years from now I will feel differently but really, it's 20 years, y'know.

People need to ... well not all people, but a lot of people need to quit trying to pass off parenthood like it is some fatastic journey back through your own childhood or whatever or some major experiment to see who can raise the next Martin Luther King. It's fucking hard work. NO time off, No vacations, No probation before judgement- none of that. True, you do not have to be ready to have a kid, But if you really don't want children make damn sure you don't risk ending up with one.

Very honest, very awesome post I had a friend tell me something is WRONG with me b/c I don't have that absolute URGE to have kids, like I'm not a real woman unless I do That friend has since given birth, discovered how truly hard it is (DUH?!!) & isn't questioning my stance so much anymore. I mean really - did she think it was gonna be all dress-up & cute pictures to show people?? It's day in, day out, not snapping (hopefully) b/c you're exhausted & they won't stop crying & you have nobody there to help you & you have to be @ work in 2 hours & there are no clean clothes &... &... &...

It's serious to be that focused & selfless. I know I'm not there yet, I'll be damned if others are gonna pressure me into the most life changing decision I would ever make... It's not about popping out a kid/saving a marriage/just "wanting" a baby - it's about raising a decent/whole/loving human being & giving them the tools to navigate all the bullshit. Huge responsibility imo, not to be taken lightly

Very honest, very awesome post I had a friend tell me something is WRONG with me b/c I don't have that absolute URGE to have kids, like I'm not a real woman unless I do That friend has since given birth, discovered how truly hard it is (DUH?!!) & isn't questioning my stance so much anymore. I mean really - did she think it was gonna be all dress-up & cute pictures to show people?? It's day in, day out, not snapping (hopefully) b/c you're exhausted & they won't stop crying & you have nobody there to help you & you have to be @ work in 2 hours & there are no clean clothes &... &... &...

CalhounSq said:

Believe me, us guys get our share of dumb remarks too. It's always, "what's wrong with you?", or "you're being selfish!" How about I'm being honest with myself and I realized I'm not cut out to be father. I don't want the emotional & financial responsibility and I'm too much of a loner. Why do something that'll make me(and everyone me) unhappy? I don't want to be like some single dudes in my neighborhood with kids all over the place. It's irresponsible, and it's not my thing.

Let me guess - women are saying this stuff to you, right? Seems like other men would be jealous of your freedom

Flowerz said:

It means I agree w/ you

CalhounSq said:

Yep..mostly women - family members, acquaintances and a couple of ex-girlfriends. My real friends don't bother me with that sh!t.

CalhounSq said:

.. I thought I said something wrong there lol..

CalhounSq said:

Yep..mostly women - family members, acquaintances and a couple of ex-girlfriends. My real friends don't bother me with that sh!t.