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Hemmingway sux Attention, I'm posting this for my friend Uptwngrl who is at work and cannot get caught but wanted to express this:
----- If you weren't taught, if you had no knowledge that Hemmingway was considered "great literature," and you just picked it up off a shelf, what would you think of it? His subject matter, ESPECIALLY in A Farewell To Arms, is no higher or different than that of a pulp romance novel. Were he writing today, he would be sold on supermarket shelves next to Danielle Steele. He was a misogynistic, overly dramatic trash novelist of his day and now people blindly herald him as a great writer, all because at one point the right academic said he was. Come on, people, think for yourselves! If you want good, intense, and skillfully written classics that truly contemplate the human situation, try out Albert Camus' The Stranger or Thoreau's Walden. Oh, and the only way anyone of any literary background would ever consider Hemmingway "difficult to read" would be because his desparate, cheap effort to set himself apart with his unsophisticated writing style is PAINFUL to read! (My friend Uptwngrl is new and I'm trying to help her participate!) 
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Zum said: Thoreau's Walden.
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nuh uh. he wrote powerfully, bluntly and from the heart. he had a way of broadly sketching human nature while keepin' it real. you're right he was an oddball though. wonder what he would have been like if he'd sobered up? | |
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Zum's friend said: If you weren't taught, if you had no knowledge that Hemmingway was considered "great literature," and you just picked it up off a shelf, what would you think of it?
I would think that this author's works were beautifully told, emotionally powerful stories about the human condition at its core...from the global scale, down to a man sitting alone in a Spanish cafe. I don't need to be "taught" something is "great literature" in order to appreciate it. In fact, plenty of "great literature" I've read in the past has seemed to me to be over-rated, irrelevant junk. But not Hemingway. Anyone who thinks he is run-of-the-mill needs to pull their nose out of that Dean Koontz two-ply shit and get real, no offense. His subject matter, ESPECIALLY in A Farewell To Arms, is no higher or different than that of a pulp romance novel.
Nonsense. His subject matters are terrific, if a person is intelligent enough to see it in the first place. To make that claim about Hemingway is a total farce...could you say the same thing about Jane Austen then? Or Fitzgerald? Or Dickens? You could make those claims, but then one would prove themselves to be equally foolish and ignorant. Another thing...one must take into account that today's shitty pulp romances probably drew a lot of influence from ACTUALLY romantic novels, like those of Austen & Hemingway. Because I see a shitty local band play some God-awful dinosaur funk, does that mean that Prince's "similar" funk is worthless? Of course not. Were he writing today, he would be sold on supermarket shelves next to Danielle Steele.
Bullshit. Anyone who can't see the differences in Steele's books and Hemingway's art is completely retarded. Absolutely ignorant. Utterly ridiculous. Read The Snows of Kilimanjaro (short story collection by Hemingway), and tell me that Steele could write it, and it's no better than supermarket tripe. Do it with a straight face, and you'll have won yourself an award for "Most Unintelligent, Ass-headed Literary Critic." He was a misogynistic, overly dramatic trash novelist of his day and now people blindly herald him as a great writer, all because at one point the right academic said he was.
Yeah. He was misogynistic...AND???!? Elliott was a fascist; Rand was a cold, unfeeling, bitch. Big fucking deal. People herald him as a great writer because HE WAS A GREAT WRITER. Not all of his work is a masterpiece...but his body of work as a whole is stunning in its power, depth, and style. Just as there's no cure for stupidity, there's no treatment for foolish, uneducated opinions. Come on, people, think for yourselves! If you want good, intense, and skillfully written classics that truly contemplate the human situation, try out Albert Camus' The Stranger or Thoreau's Walden.
Walden? Are you fucking kidding me? WALDEN? Why don't I just stay home and lick my cat's butt...And INTENSE??? Someone needs to grab a dictionary! Oh, and the only way anyone of any literary background would ever consider Hemmingway "difficult to read" would be because his desparate, cheap effort to set himself apart with his unsophisticated writing style is PAINFUL to read!
Who ever said anything about "difficult to read" in regards to Hemingway??? Yeah, maybe...for young children, blind men, retarded people, aborted fetuses, and our President. Not everyone can appreciate true beauty, skill, and genius like Hemingway...but that's alright. There's enough Michael Crichton, Tom Clancy, Thomas Kinkaid (sp), Terry Redlin, Janet Jackson, and Pink for the idiots of the world to stay happy until mankind's end... No offense to my buddy Zum...I know these weren't your opinions...but nobody attacks my hero Hemingway and gets away with it! "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Awww yeah! I love that old time criticism!
Bring. It. On! | |
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Unsophisticated style of writing? Did you mean that in a bad way? | |
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KingSausage said: I would think that this author's works were beautifully told, emotionally powerful stories about the human condition at its core...from the global scale, down to a man sitting alone in a Spanish cafe. I don't need to be "taught" something is "great literature" in order to appreciate it. In fact, plenty of "great literature" I've read in the past has seemed to me to be over-rated, irrelevant junk. But not Hemingway. Anyone who thinks he is run-of-the-mill needs to pull their nose out of that Dean Koontz two-ply shit and get real, no offense.
Wow! Nonsense. His subject matters are terrific, if a person is intelligent enough to see it in the first place. To make that claim about Hemingway is a total farce...could you say the same thing about Jane Austen then? Or Fitzgerald? Or Dickens? You could make those claims, but then one would prove themselves to be equally foolish and ignorant
Nicely stated. Bullshit. Anyone who can't see the differences in Steele's books and Hemingway's art is completely retarded. Absolutely ignorant. Utterly ridiculous. Read The Snows of Kilimanjaro (short story collection by Hemingway), and tell me that Steele could write it, and it's no better than supermarket tripe. Do it with a straight face, and you'll have won yourself an award for "Most Unintelligent, Ass-headed Literary Critic."
hehehe Yeah. He was misogynistic...AND???!? Elliott was a fascist; Rand was a cold, unfeeling, bitch. Big fucking deal. People herald him as a great writer because HE WAS A GREAT WRITER. Not all of his work is a masterpiece...but his body of work as a whole is stunning in its power, depth, and style. Just as there's no cure for stupidity, there's no treatment for foolish, uneducated opinions.
Yikes! True about his misogynistic tendencies. But you have admit Brett was a feminist of a sort. Walden? Are you fucking kidding me? WALDEN? Why don't I just stay home and lick my cat's butt...And INTENSE??? Someone needs to grab a dictionary!
ROTFLMBAO!! Who ever said anything about "difficult to read" in regards to Hemingway??? Yeah, maybe...for young children, blind men, retarded people, aborted fetuses, and our President.
Geez. Very thorough list! No offense to my buddy Zum...I know these weren't your opinions...but nobody attacks my hero Hemingway and gets away with it!
Well King Sausage, although I prefer Faulkner to Ernest, I have to bow to the eloquence and scope of your response. Truth be told, I'm thrilled to see a book discussion of any kind! ___________________________________________
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I've only read one Hemmingway book, so I can't make a good judgement about him.
I did think "The Old Man and the Sea" sucked ass, however. It was dull, and easily figured out. Code heroes and all that shite.  -------
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