FunkMistress said:

Can't you see he's busy humping?

CarrieMpls said:

frickin tragedy all around.

such a senseless loss.


katt here the public health nurse makes one visit after you've come home from the hospital. i would hope that if it didn't look like you knew what you were doing that they would flag you for another visit but i have no idea if that is the case or not.

CarrieMpls said:

Yeah, I'll make a webpage and people can just link to it at will.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

Don't forget the abortion rants.

Any orger has been raised vegan from birth?

Experiments, with soda

PANDURITO said:

no, and i have the pictures of me as a fat kid to prove it.

Both Isomil and Similac make soy based formulas. Every grocery store and drug store carries them. No excuse for this stupidity.

emm said:

wow only 1 visit here u have the midwife who will check on u each day for either 7 or 10 days then after a visit from the health visitor, then one every two weeks then moves onto once a month until the injections then ur supposed to do monthly weigh in's, if u dont go to them they will come a knocking. All my kids where on Wysoy baby foumula milk due 2 being lactose intolerant I just do not understand why that family didnt use a soya baby milk, that poor little baby

shellyevon said:

That’s soy formula, this is just soy milk (and Apple juce :crazy: )

Most babies are fed solely on breast milk for 6 months anyway and high protein foods should be avoided according to latest allergy advice. My NON VEGAN son had human milk, formula milk and mashed veggies until he was 13 months. Effectively vegan and perfectly normal.

He now enjoys meat, but that is a different story. The stupidity of this couple is on trial not the fact that they were vegans, unless of course the vegan diet slowed there mental capability.

(I know IB veggies are less likely to be lethargic and have a quicker wit! )

I have issues with giving too much Soya milk to kids becasue of the as yet unknown longterm effects of phtoestrogens. I am reserving judgement on this one.

is this any worst than the HIV + woman that belived that HIV did not cause AIDS and refused to have her child tested and it ended up dieing of AIDS?

and why can't a vegan breast feed? if that is a vegan rule that is stupid... would they be mad at a baby cow for drinking cow's milk?

SlamGlam said:

vegans can breast feed.

stupid people who think they know about veganism apparently cannot breast feed.

and i'm not touching that HIV+ "comparison" with an eleventy foot pole.

applekisses said:

I think abortion was the first one I saved.

Anx said:

that is what i thought...heck they are the ones that do it until the kid is in grade school



what is the difference? 2 dead babies all due to stupid parents

http://abcnews.go.com/Pri...737&page=1
[Edited 5/10/07 9:18am]

PREDOMINANT said:

huh? what??

SlamGlam said:

slam! you have got to stop with this crazy 'let's compare two things cause it's fun' reasoning.

evenstar3 said:

it's kind of like when you get into a car on one side and then just crawl through and get out the other side just because you can, or if you apply a higher logic, it's kind of like when you google yourself. think about it.

evenstar3 said:

well i will not. both cases were stupid parents that caused the death of their child. the only reason you are weird about it is the HIV/AIDS angle. when the truth is most new cases of HIV+ or AIDS in the US are due to behavior and are for the most part completely avoidable. just like this case. the baby did not have to die. she choose to let the baby die, she had to have notices. i noticed when my son lost a few ounces....

Genesia said:

Ok this one stuck with me as I read the entire thread and had to come back and comment on it.....First of all, Veganism is NOT a restrictive diet. I am a vegetarian (I do consume diary; milk, cheese but no egg). And animal products is not the only source of Vitamin A; you can find it in sweet potatoes, carrots, kale, mangos, turnip greens, raw spinach, papaya, red bell peppers, apricot, cantaloupe, romaine lettuce, raw tomatoes, broccoli, green bell peppers and oranges.

This couple, as well as the reporter, must have been uninformed parents and consumers. Veganism is a healthy life style.


.....Ok, stepping off my soapbox.....

CrazyRed said:[quote]

Genesia said:

right, but most if not all of it is in the form beta-carotene. adults can convert them but young children have a much harder time doing so. that is why all mammals produce milk for their offspring. because mammals need animal milk to get the needed nutrients.

Genesia did not say that vegetarian/Veganism was a restrictive diet. But it is clear that this little baby was on a restrictive diet. there is no way that a baby could live off of that little fat (not to mention such little protein) and giving Almond milk could lead to other bad reactions). and to make matters worst they gave the baby fruit juice something that most nutrition experts would never recommend for any baby under 6 months old. their little tummies are too small to waste with such nutritionally empty volume,

SlamGlam said:[quote]

CrazyRed said:

I still want a source regarding the difficulty that children having converting beta-carotene. Preferably with some info about the extent of the alleged difficulty (ie. do they convert 90% of what a typical adult would? 20%?). Beta-carotene is very easy to come by, so the need to consume extra as a vegan child wouldn't be a huge deal unless the conversion is truly very, very low. Which I suspect it isn't, or I wouldn't have heard of this problem, but. . .

I'm willing to be wrong. Just give me a source.

SlamGlam said:[quote]

CrazyRed said:

it sure was restrictive - no nutrients at all for 6 weeks