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Printablesuperspaceboy said: abierman said: both Naomi & Locke's dad were saying that 815 was found, passengers dead.....I think it sucks that they killed off Locke's dad so early.....without giving him the chance to explain how he got there! Plus, Locke's dad was suggesting that the island is hell and everybody who is on it is dead.....whatever....  My guess is that Flight 815's demise was covered up, so no one went looking for "survivors" and found the island by accident. THAT Or there is another time line in which 815 did crash, but not on the island. Lockes dad DID explain how he got there..He was in a car accident and the last thing he remembers is the ambulance ride and the IV. If the IV had any of the seditives Juliet took for her trip, it would explain how he got there without knowing what happened. I doubt Locke's dad knew anything. He probably guessed he was dead. Exactly. And good theories. 
I still thought it was a bit weird that he'd been drugged and abducted though since Ben had given that whole speech about the metaphorical box and how it made wishes come true (I actually thought that would turn out to be somewhat true since it would go well with other things that have happened on the island). | |
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retina said: superspaceboy said: My guess is that Flight 815's demise was covered up, so no one went looking for "survivors" and found the island by accident. THAT Or there is another time line in which 815 did crash, but not on the island. Lockes dad DID explain how he got there..He was in a car accident and the last thing he remembers is the ambulance ride and the IV. If the IV had any of the seditives Juliet took for her trip, it would explain how he got there without knowing what happened. I doubt Locke's dad knew anything. He probably guessed he was dead. Exactly. And good theories.
I still thought it was a bit weird that he'd been drugged and abducted though since Ben had given that whole speech about the metaphorical box and how it made wishes come true (I actually thought that would turn out to be somewhat true since it would go well with other things that have happened on the island). I'm actually glad it was metaphorical.....if it was not it would have sucked just as much as it would if the whole story turns out to be purgatory or a dream.....still, I'm like 'WTF?' a bit too much! | |
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unlucky7 said: I hope i'm not dead by then..
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abierman said: calldapplwondery83 said: The rest of the year is so going to suck.  only four more Sopranos-episodes.....EVER!!! 
Heroes is almost done..... the rest of the year is going to suck! imagine...a whole month without TV...the horror! Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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abierman said: calldapplwondery83 said: The rest of the year is so going to suck. only four more Sopranos-episodes.....EVER!!!
Heroes is almost done..... the rest of the year is going to suck! I keep hearing so much about 'Heroes', I guess I should check it out.  | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: abierman said: only four more Sopranos-episodes.....EVER!!!
Heroes is almost done..... the rest of the year is going to suck! I keep hearing so much about 'Heroes', I guess I should check it out. you should, only you're like 20 episodes behind.....  | |
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retina said: superspaceboy said: I slightly disagree with this. There is a lot of innuendo and hinting at many of the answers. I also don't think many of the things that are warranting answers are very easily explained...to quip a LOST line "It's complicated".FOr me that's part of what makes it so great...leaving things open to interpretation, like all good science fiction. Some things can be left open to interpretation, sure. For example I don't need a great big explanation for why some of the characters' lives have intersected in the past. Things like that happen, and could be interpreted as some kind of vague proof that fate exists. But there are also many minor and major things that are too tangible to be left unexplained, like for example the statue with four toes that Sayid saw, or the polar bears, or the Black Rock being way up on land. In that case I think they're answering the wrong things. They should focus on the plot elements instead. One thing I can think of to "improve" the story telling and pacing...FIX THE FLASHBACKS. Ok, so the flashbacks are here for good. How about tying them into the island story or give us flashbacks of folks we have yet not seen. Personally, I wish they'd do away with them and have them only if warranted a flashbac. They would certainly hold more gravity than they do now.
Agreed. What's funny is that MANY want to know what all the connections mean. I'm like you in thinking...it's just part of the story...it happens. But one CAN look a bit further into it and realize it's part of the THEME of the show. COnnections, fate, circumstances, etc. One thing I think may be left unanswered is the numbers, which would be a real disservice to the fans. I think the writers and producers are sometimes at a quandry of what they can and can't tell due to varying circumstances. They also want to make good by accomodating the fans and giving them things that don't necessarily advance the plot, but make it more interesting for the fans, like the whole Kate, Jack, Sawyer triangle. Sometimes they want to give you the rest of the story, but can't because an actor isn't available. But I do agree that the time to get to some of these is painstakingly long. Like the FIRST thing I would have done was find the transmission tower and changed the broadcast. The flashbacks are episode eaters, in which we could be focused on several stories and other characters. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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retina said: superspaceboy said: My guess is that Flight 815's demise was covered up, so no one went looking for "survivors" and found the island by accident. THAT Or there is another time line in which 815 did crash, but not on the island. Lockes dad DID explain how he got there..He was in a car accident and the last thing he remembers is the ambulance ride and the IV. If the IV had any of the seditives Juliet took for her trip, it would explain how he got there without knowing what happened. I doubt Locke's dad knew anything. He probably guessed he was dead. Exactly. And good theories.
I still thought it was a bit weird that he'd been drugged and abducted though since Ben had given that whole speech about the metaphorical box and how it made wishes come true (I actually thought that would turn out to be somewhat true since it would go well with other things that have happened on the island). I think we may get more explianation how that "box" is. It is metaphorical not real...but I think thoughts can manifest themselves as well. Ben is a master maniupulator and as soon as they knew John was special, they kidnapped his Dad (before Desmond turned the key and certainly before the sub blew up) for whatever purposes. Other examples of this box could be Ben needing a nural sugeon and poof there's Jack (maybe they altered the time line to get Jack there). Desmond was about to end his life in the hatch and then Locke saved him. What I am waiting for now is for Rose's cancer "remission" to come into play. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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abierman said: Paradisekiss03 said: I think these shows should be done like Spanish soap operas that are meant to last between 60-100 episodes max. yeah, only with Salma Hayek, Penelope Cruz & Eva Mendes running around in bikini's all the time!!!!! And with Fernando Colunga as the main guy! I really like spicy food. I mostly put Jalapenos on a lot of my food.
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superspaceboy said: One thing I think may be left unanswered is the numbers, which would be a real disservice to the fans.
Yeah, there will be riots in the streets if they don't address that at all.  I actually think and hope that they will have some connection with the main mysteries, like the whole purpose with the intriguing Dharma Initiative and maybe the smoke monster too (by the way, it's kind of weird that it first manifested itself to Locke as some kind of bright light and then later as black smoke which tried to drag him into a hole - maybe they are two different entities).
superspaceboy said: I think we may get more explianation how that "box" is. It is metaphorical not real...but I think thoughts can manifest themselves as well. Ben is a master maniupulator and as soon as they knew John was special, they kidnapped his Dad (before Desmond turned the key and certainly before the sub blew up) for whatever purposes. Other examples of this box could be Ben needing a nural sugeon and poof there's Jack (maybe they altered the time line to get Jack there). Desmond was about to end his life in the hatch and then Locke saved him. I really don't like that they've introduced the possibility of time travelling in the story, because that gives them licence to do pretty much anything without even following the rules they've previously set for the Lost world. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's not actually time travelling at all, but rather Desmond's own brand of clairvoyance. What I am waiting for now is for Rose's cancer "remission" to come into play.
Really? As far as I'm concerned that part of the story is finished. We now know that everybody's wounds and ailments heal very quickly on the island, so Rose and her cancer going into remission is just part of that healing effect. Her story was just a way of introducing it. One thing that worries me is that some characters have disappered out of the story without their mysteries being solved properly. If their mysteries get left behind, then so can almost all others. Take Walter for example. In a way I'm glad he's gone since I thought for a long time that he would be some kind of manga-style "chosen one" that would turn out to be the key to everything, but on the other hand I would have wanted to learn more about his abilities and how they played a part in everything. Another example is Libby who was shown as a patient at the same asylum as Hurley. What was that all about? It's been too long now for the story to return to these things unless they start doing flashbacks not only of what happened before they got to the island but since as well, and even though they obviously love their flashbacks I think they will want to keep the latter kind to an absolute minimum. Oh well, I need to go to bed now. A plane leaves for Sicily at 7.30 a.m. tomorrow with me on board and I definitely need a couple of hours of sleep befoe then.  | |
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retina said: superspaceboy said: One thing I think may be left unanswered is the numbers, which would be a real disservice to the fans.
Yeah, there will be riots in the streets if they don't address that at all. I actually think and hope that they will have some connection with the main mysteries, like the whole purpose with the intriguing Dharma Initiative and maybe the smoke monster too (by the way, it's kind of weird that it first manifested itself to Locke as some kind of bright light and then later as black smoke which tried to drag him into a hole - maybe they are two different entities).
I really don't like that they've introduced the possibility of time travelling in the story, because that gives them licence to do pretty much anything without even following the rules they've previously set for the Lost world. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's not actually time travelling at all, but rather Desmond's own brand of clairvoyance. What I am waiting for now is for Rose's cancer "remission" to come into play.
Really? As far as I'm concerned that part of the story is finished. We now know that everybody's wounds and ailments heal very quickly on the island, so Rose and her cancer going into remission is just part of that healing effect. Her story was just a way of introducing it. One thing that worries me is that some characters have disappered out of the story without their mysteries being solved properly. If their mysteries get left behind, then so can almost all others. Take Walter for example. In a way I'm glad he's gone since I thought for a long time that he would be some kind of manga-style "chosen one" that would turn out to be the key to everything, but on the other hand I would have wanted to learn more about his abilities and how they played a part in everything. Another example is Libby who was shown as a patient at the same asylum as Hurley. What was that all about? It's been too long now for the story to return to these things unless they start doing flashbacks not only of what happened before they got to the island but since as well, and even though they obviously love their flashbacks I think they will want to keep the latter kind to an absolute minimum. Oh well, I need to go to bed now. A plane leaves for Sicily at 7.30 a.m. tomorrow with me on board and I definitely need a couple of hours of sleep befoe then. The numbers - have been explianed. But only if you followed "the Lost esperience" Their meaning is prettty significant. And hopefully will be addressed. Rose's cancer - Considering that Ben has cancer and it wans't cured and that hers was (according to her). So why did Ben get cancer. I think it's significant...however as you say it's been so long since it was addressed as well as we have yet to see her this season (to MUCH of the fans angst!) But I can see it as significant. Time Travel - I don't think it was "time travel" in the sense we know it. Time travel involves other things (black holes, quantum physics) and I think that's the angle they are going for. I think the "main point" of his "time travel" is this clairevoiance he has now. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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if only they had said this around the time of the pilot episode. | |
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live4lust said:
if only they had said this around the time of the pilot episode. Why? Most series last for YEARS and drag on. At least we know that there is an end in sight and they can write towards that. People watched many shows for YEARS with no complaints for how long they watch it...they just do. And it's MUCH better than going one season and then not getting renewed. Imagine if the last LOST episode was Walt getting kidnapped and the Hatch getting blown up. Everybody would have been screaming. When practically 75% of all serialized Dramas get yanked without telling the full story, we should be glad. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: live4lust said:
if only they had said this around the time of the pilot episode. Why? Most series last for YEARS and drag on. At least we know that there is an end in sight and they can write towards that. People watched many shows for YEARS with no complaints for how long they watch it...they just do. And it's MUCH better than going one season and then not getting renewed. Imagine if the last LOST episode was Walt getting kidnapped and the Hatch getting blown up. Everybody would have been screaming. When practically 75% of all serialized Dramas get yanked without telling the full story, we should be glad. i understand not everyone has soured on it and maybe it will eventually be great again, but this season has been a huge disappointment to me. | |
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