Isnt it the most relevant force to creative a healthy child that develpos into a responsible, productive and happy adult?

You can clearly see how it affects so many things in the movie "Little Children".

Just look at the freak who masturbates sitting next to his date in the movie.

because many parents are not responsible, productive and happy adults?

Stax said:

Even the best parenting doesn't always change the outcome.
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xplnyrslf said:

what? sure there are exceptions (as there are to many rules) but for the most part good parenting will result in good kids and good adults.

SlamGlam said:

Nope. Define "good kids and good adults". Is that concept: being successful in life? Law abiding? Holds to the standards you have and raised them on? Obtain a college degree?
Does good parenting require two parents? married and participating in the child's life?
Parents/and/or/family provide a healthy environment to the best of their ability.
Despite the ideal environment and role models, it doesn't always work out. Throw in mental instability, substance abuse, flat out lack of initiative....(tossing out reality that's existed forever).
Look at Prince. He may not have had the best circumstances. On the other hand, he's an overachiever..to our benefit of course. He's done quite well.

xplnyrslf said:

In certain aspects, in others he's a total He's a bully, a disaster in romantic relationships, a control freak etc... is that a good person?

Of bloody course good parenting has a big effect on the outcome, it's inane to suggest differently.

xplnyrslf said:[quote]

SlamGlam said:

no

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sometimes that is not good enough



yeah AND?



thoes are problems they can be overcome....



i knew a man that surived a plane crah... so what?

Teacher said:

so he has a few character flaws.....

OK. It's POSITIVE parenting. This thread's about positive parenting.
Reminds me of the scene in "Meet the Fockers" where Ben Stiller has all these awards for coming in last and his parents have the display and Robert DeNiro is disgusted for his being a glorified loser.
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SlamGlam said:[quote]

xplnyrslf said:

What's a plane crah?

xplnyrslf said:

Yep, and it STILL makes one hell of a difference. One example: My best friend has two daughters, one is eight and one is five. The two are total opposites of each other, Nicole is oldest and a daredevil and Stephanie is younger and shy. It's their parents' jobs to make sure they have fun in what they choose to do, they both ride but Nicole wants to show jump and Steph is more comfy just riding flat... they should both feel they're worth just as much even though they choose different paths and Jen and Mike do this, Steph doesn't feel worth less cos she's not competing and prolly never will. THAT'S correct positive parenting and very few parents are capable of doing it right but that doesn't mean that carried out correctly it has a huge impact on the child's life.

xplnyrslf said:

Ahhh...when you run out of arguments you mark words... cute.

Teacher said:

I haven't run out of anything.
Just giving another perspective.
How's this? Positive parenting is better than negative parenting. I'll concede that.

xplnyrslf said:

How is pretending you didn't know what word was meant giving a new perspective? That doesn't fly.

xplnyrslf said:

Crah is a typo for CRASH. it means (in this case) you can not give an example of someone that had bad parents but make it out okay to illustrate that t good parenting in raising kids into good adults is not important
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Teacher said:

I was pointing out a typo and being humorous.
My perspectives are in my previous posts.

xplnyrslf: I think that perhaps you need to reword your initial comment.

You said:

Did you perhaps mean to say; "Even the best parenting does not always result in a positive outcome"???

Otherwise you sound defeatist. As if to say; it don't matter how I raise my kids, they are what they are.
...and THAT would not be correct.

SlamGlam said:

I didn't realize the forum is about "good" or "bad".
I thought it was about "positive" and "happy".

Do you mind rewording that highlighted section into a sentence I can understand?

i think parents these days want to negotiate with their kids instead of punish them, when more than anything, childen are begging for boundaries and limits to be set (whether they know it or not). kids need parents, not friends. you can be a friend to your child, but it can't get in the way of being a parent first.

Anx said:

PurpleJedi said:

Is that better?
There's simply no guarantees in life.

xplnyrslf said:

Of course there aren't.
But just because you're not guaranteed of getting hit by a train, do you ignore recklessly ignore crossing signals?

I worry every day that my kids may one day turn to drugs, gangs or promiscuity given the environment that they will probably be subjected to when they're older. But that doesn't mean that I am going to sit back and "see what happens". We are - and will continue to be - involved in every single aspect of their lives in an effort to prevent it!

PurpleJedi said:

Whelp! Hopefully you'll maintain positive parenting as it's the most overlooked but relevant force in having healthy, happy, children.

xplnyrslf said:

xplnyrslf said:

Prince is not a good example. We hardly
know all his emotional difficulties. If you want to judge success by celebrity standards thats sad.
Of course 2 "good" parents doesnt neccesarily create "good" offspring, but
you cant argue it will give them a solid ground to build upon. Whereas, the opposite leaves them open to so many potential obstacles, its pretty clear how important it is.

" My disgusting putrid genes will pollute my son's soul"

Tony Soprano, episode 5


When AJ is depressed Tony tells him to get a BJ, but offers no input on AJ quitting his job.

Looks like AJ will get sucked into the life anyway, having seen that kid get acid feet. Just like Tony saw his father chop off fingers when he was a kid.

Anx said:

I agree, but I have to say my children are still confined in their ( my) boundaries. I am raising children from age 16 down through 8 years old, some of our children are here every other weekend and 2 of them live with us full time. It's hard to be a parent these days, not because of the kids, fortunately I have really good kids, but I know they see alot of their friends doing things that they can't understand why I won't let them do. I don't know if these other childrens parents aren't home, aren't paying attention, or just flat out don't care. I am doing my darnest to raise my children with morals and standards and I can only hope and pray to the lord above they turn out to be some of the best adults around. They don't get everything they want, they don't get to go wherever, whenever they want and they still get chores and have punishments,. I am here for my children if they need to talk, they may not always like what I have to say, and that's okay, their not suppose to, but as long as I have them willing to talk about things with me, I feel that's half the battle.

hisfan4ever said:

You're a kickass parent!! Keep it up, it'll serve them well their whole life.

Anx said:

Let the choir say "Amen!"