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My best friend and I (the one who hates the homeless ), we saw this ad in a paper that advertised these kittens and that they would be destroyed if they couldn't adopt them out  We raced over to this house and we took 2 of the cats. This was in 1997 and my best friend still has them 
So one time we had to leave and we asked if our landlord would check on our kittens while we were gone. We had them maybe for a month at this point. The landlord ended up taking them down to her apartment and when we picked them up they were infested with fleas. We did the shampoo and all that shit but the flease were all in the carpet and we had a major problem on our hands. It got so bad that we took them to the pound to see if we could get free dipping because I was so damn broke from taking care of my best friend who wasn't even freakin working that I didn't have the money to do it. When I showed up I explained to the lady that we couldn't get rid of the fleas and we needed help and that bitch flipped the fuck out on me and got in my face and started screaming at me, literally screaming, about how dare I take pets and then neglect them. I was like back the fuck up *bitch*. Our landlord caused our problem, we didn't have fleas before then and if I was really neglecting my pets I WOULDN'T HAVE COME DOWN HERE SEEKING YOUR HELP! OOOOH she pissed me off
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Imago said:
I know dogs and cats MUST eat meat, and to feed them something unnatural to what they were designed to do is kind of cruel I guess, but I'm pretty sure the process of making dog or cat food is just as cruel and aweful as what it takes to get a steak on your plate. Very true. I think this is part of why having pets is ethically problematic.
I have a dog. He came into the shelter with a badly broken leg when I was an animal control officer. I decided to adopt him rather than euthanize him 'cause he was such a sweetie. Rock, meet hard place. Some dogs do fine on a vegan diet, actually. Like humans, they are omnivores and they don't all need meat. I tried my dog on a veg diet, however, and he didn't do especially well. Unfortunately, he didn't do especially well on the fancypants organic food that I tried to feed him either. He has a touchy GI system that doesn't appreciate much of anything. But guess what? He does well on Iams. Which is all factory-farm meat, and I hate buying it. I do it anyway, because I took on his well-being as my responsibility. If it were up to me, pet ownership would entirely cease. That isn't going to happen, at least anytime soon. So, we gotta take care of these critters. But I do great on a vegan diet, so I continue to eat that way. Does that make me a hypocrite? Or just somebody who is doing her best?  Dogs are carnivores not omnivores... Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Family: Canidae Genus: Canis Species: familiaris Carnivora- Meat Eaters Families of this order include the dogs, bears, seals, walrus, raccoon, weasels, civets, hyenas, skunks, and cats. All carnivores have four large canine teeth and they have special teeth called the carnassial teeth. These are located in the rear of the jaws and they act like scissors to tear flesh and shear bone. Although most of these animals include berries, nuts, and fruits in their diet, they still are the flesh-eating mammals. In addition to the design of their teeth and jaws if you studied their digestive systems you would quickly learn that they are indeed meat eaters not grain/veggie eaters. They are not designed to digest plant material and grains are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Very true. I think this is part of why having pets is ethically problematic.
I have a dog. He came into the shelter with a badly broken leg when I was an animal control officer. I decided to adopt him rather than euthanize him 'cause he was such a sweetie. Rock, meet hard place. Some dogs do fine on a vegan diet, actually. Like humans, they are omnivores and they don't all need meat. I tried my dog on a veg diet, however, and he didn't do especially well. Unfortunately, he didn't do especially well on the fancypants organic food that I tried to feed him either. He has a touchy GI system that doesn't appreciate much of anything. But guess what? He does well on Iams. Which is all factory-farm meat, and I hate buying it. I do it anyway, because I took on his well-being as my responsibility. If it were up to me, pet ownership would entirely cease. That isn't going to happen, at least anytime soon. So, we gotta take care of these critters. But I do great on a vegan diet, so I continue to eat that way. Does that make me a hypocrite? Or just somebody who is doing her best? Dogs are carnivores not omnivores... Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Family: Canidae Genus: Canis Species: familiaris Carnivora- Meat Eaters Families of this order include the dogs, bears, seals, walrus, raccoon, weasels, civets, hyenas, skunks, and cats. All carnivores have four large canine teeth and they have special teeth called the carnassial teeth. These are located in the rear of the jaws and they act like scissors to tear flesh and shear bone. Although most of these animals include berries, nuts, and fruits in their diet, they still are the flesh-eating mammals. In addition to the design of their teeth and jaws if you studied their digestive systems you would quickly learn that they are indeed meat eaters not grain/veggie eaters. They are not designed to digest plant material and grains oh jesus christ, here we go again. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The one thing that bothers me the most about all the people I know/have known who are very wrapped up in this issue of animal rights is that they all have this crazy compassion, bordering on insanity over a bird but wouldn't bat an eyelash or lift a finder or even care about peoples plight. This one girl I knew practically caused a pile up when she came to a screeching halt in the middle of fast moving traffic to tend to an injured bird but she becomes vehemently vicious towards homeless people
Now I know this is a broad stroke kind of statement but for me, everyone that I have had contact with, including friends, have been like this. And I know that animals don't have the same kind of "choice" that humans do but I don't understand how someone who cares so much about animals could give a shit about people. everybody but one, buddy. 
i believe it's not only possible but absolutely essential to have compassion for ALL living things, whether human or non-human animals. when did this whole argument begin where it has to be "either/or"? either you care about animals or you care about humans but you can't care about both? that doesn't equate for me. i believe we all have our own ways of showing compassion and we all have our own borders and limits and, alternately, lengths to which we are willing to sacrifice in order to live comfortably with everything else on this planet. that's how i look at life...i just wanna do as little harm as i can to everything around me, because that's how i want to be TREATED by everything around me. if that's extreme or judgmental or self-righteous, then i guess i'm just an asshole. [Edited 4/27/07 17:05pm] | |
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evenstar3 said: eraclito said: Dogs are carnivores not omnivores... Scientific classification Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Carnivora Family: Canidae Genus: Canis Species: familiaris Carnivora- Meat Eaters Families of this order include the dogs, bears, seals, walrus, raccoon, weasels, civets, hyenas, skunks, and cats. All carnivores have four large canine teeth and they have special teeth called the carnassial teeth. These are located in the rear of the jaws and they act like scissors to tear flesh and shear bone. Although most of these animals include berries, nuts, and fruits in their diet, they still are the flesh-eating mammals. In addition to the design of their teeth and jaws if you studied their digestive systems you would quickly learn that they are indeed meat eaters not grain/veggie eaters. They are not designed to digest plant material and grains oh jesus christ, here we go again. lol.. i am just teasing her... are you ready for submission
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OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS! Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS!
Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches well, you know i'm bitchy. if i moved to cali, would i fall into that group by default?  | |
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Anx said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS!
Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches well, you know i'm bitchy. if i moved to cali, would i fall into that group by default? Bitch, yes. Hater, never!  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS!
Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches
Well...I do need to interject something about giving homeless people money vs. food. I'm very sensitive about giving homeless folks money because I had a sister who was addicted to drugs. There have been many, many times when I have offered, instead of giving people money when they asked for it, to buy them food. Most times they don't want the food. They want the money to buy drugs. And, I'm sorry, I just can't support that. My sister's habit destroyed her and almost my family. I never gave her money for it and I won't give it to someone else's sister, brother or child, either. So, I give folks the option...food or nothing. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS!
Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches Oh, please. Stop apologizing!
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applekisses said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, let me repeat. THIS THREAD ISN'T ABOUT MY ORGER FRIENDS!
Seriously, I'm speaking of Cali bitches
Well...I do need to interject something about giving homeless people money vs. food. I'm very sensitive about giving homeless folks money because I had a sister who was addicted to drugs. There have been many, many times when I have offered, instead of giving people money when they asked for it, to buy them food. Most times they don't want the food. They want the money to buy drugs. And, I'm sorry, I just can't support that. My sister's habit destroyed her and almost my family. I never gave her money for it and I won't give it to someone else's sister, brother or child, either. So, I give folks the option...food or nothing. Yes I am extremely aware of this and many times I do not give money, sometimes I do. I go with my feelings on it. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Anx said: well, you know i'm bitchy. if i moved to cali, would i fall into that group by default? Bitch, yes. Hater, never! seriously, i know some people on here think differently of me, but my deal has NEVER been to "convert" or "guilt" anyone into an "animal rights" lifestyle. in fact, i hate the term "animal rights". animals can't reason like humans can, and we have a certain responsibility toward them and toward ourselves, so i prefer the term "animal welfare", because the proper TREATMENT is what's at issue here, not "rights" for a bunch of creatures who don't know from "rights". yeah, semantics. whatever.
my whole thing is, eat what you want, live how you want, but don't look down on how i live. instead, let me show you how i'm enjoying life WITHOUT some of those things that compromise "animal welfare" and how i'm actually ENJOYING life that way. let me cook you a GOOD vegetarian meal instead of the slop hashed out in restaurants by cooks who wouldn't know good vegetarian cooking if it bit them in the tofuhole. let me show you that there are good OPTIONS that you can ADD to the way you already live, instead of letting you assume that all i do is sit around eating bland, flavorless food and wearing blocks of straw on my feet, cuz it just ain't true!
i don't believe in changing people by guilting or shaming or scolding. i believe in showing people how they can ADD really GOOD options into their lives that they can actually feel good about. if i can do that - and i have, many times - that's what makes me feel good. and that really sums it up as far as any "activism" i do is concerned. show me how i do different and i will take a long, serious look at my behavior. and i know you may not be talking about me specifically, but for those who see me in that kind of self-righteous light, i'm throwing down the muffukkin gauntlet. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: applekisses said:
Well...I do need to interject something about giving homeless people money vs. food. I'm very sensitive about giving homeless folks money because I had a sister who was addicted to drugs. There have been many, many times when I have offered, instead of giving people money when they asked for it, to buy them food. Most times they don't want the food. They want the money to buy drugs. And, I'm sorry, I just can't support that. My sister's habit destroyed her and almost my family. I never gave her money for it and I won't give it to someone else's sister, brother or child, either. So, I give folks the option...food or nothing. Yes I am extremely aware of this and many times I do not give money, sometimes I do. I go with my feelings on it. I figured you'd think about that.  And, of course, I don't condemn anyone for giving money...it's just a personal thing for me. | |
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Anx said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Bitch, yes. Hater, never! seriously, i know some people on here think differently of me, but my deal has NEVER been to "convert" or "guilt" anyone into an "animal rights" lifestyle. in fact, i hate the term "animal rights". animals can't reason like humans can, and we have a certain responsibility toward them and toward ourselves, so i prefer the term "animal welfare", because the proper TREATMENT is what's at issue here, not "rights" for a bunch of creatures who don't know from "rights". yeah, semantics. whatever.
my whole thing is, eat what you want, live how you want, but don't look down on how i live. instead, let me show you how i'm enjoying life WITHOUT some of those things that compromise "animal welfare" and how i'm actually ENJOYING life that way. let me cook you a GOOD vegetarian meal instead of the slop hashed out in restaurants by cooks who wouldn't know good vegetarian cooking if it bit them in the tofuhole. let me show you that there are good OPTIONS that you can ADD to the way you already live, instead of letting you assume that all i do is sit around eating bland, flavorless food and wearing blocks of straw on my feet, cuz it just ain't true!
i don't believe in changing people by guilting or shaming or scolding. i believe in showing people how they can ADD really GOOD options into their lives that they can actually feel good about. if i can do that - and i have, many times - that's what makes me feel good. and that really sums it up as far as any "activism" i do is concerned. show me how i do different and i will take a long, serious look at my behavior. and i know you may not be talking about me specifically, but for those who see me in that kind of self-righteous light, i'm throwing down the muffukkin gauntlet. OK, the people who have flipped out on you over the issue have issues because you are the most non-crusading person when it comes to this You have your beliefs but you aren't trying to kill anyone over them I don't get people's criticism of you on this issue. Haters. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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and on the other side of the spectrum, here's a story that griped my ass all day:
the other day at my job, someone was reading a story in the paper out loud about how the lincoln park zoo was going to perform surgery on one of the bears in captivity. one of my co-workers said, "here we go again, let's pamper the animals but not give a toss about human beings." and i was like, IT'S THE GOD DAMN ZOO!!! what are they supposed to do, let it die and make a damn coat out of it? it's the ZOO, it's what they're THERE for! 
i mean, people are so kneejerk about this shit, and i really don't understand it. it's like the very idea of showing any kind of kindness to animals is the most offensive thing in the world. and i find THAT attitude offensive. i understand the balance between caring for animals and using them for the comfort of mankind - i may not AGREE with that philosophy fully, but i do understand it and have some limited amount of respect/tolerance for it - but to just have a wholesale attitude of "they're just animals, fuck 'em" just implies something ugly in a person's heart. | |
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Anx said: and on the other side of the spectrum, here's a story that griped my ass all day:
the other day at my job, someone was reading a story in the paper out loud about how the lincoln park zoo was going to perform surgery on one of the bears in captivity. one of my co-workers said, "here we go again, let's pamper the animals but not give a toss about human beings." and i was like, IT'S THE GOD DAMN ZOO!!! what are they supposed to do, let it die and make a damn coat out of it? it's the ZOO, it's what they're THERE for!
i mean, people are so kneejerk about this shit, and i really don't understand it. it's like the very idea of showing any kind of kindness to animals is the most offensive thing in the world. and i find THAT attitude offensive. i understand the balance between caring for animals and using them for the comfort of mankind - i may not AGREE with that philosophy fully, but i do understand it and have some limited amount of respect/tolerance for it - but to just have a wholesale attitude of "they're just animals, fuck 'em" just implies something ugly in a person's heart. the "just animals" bullshit bothers me just as much as not caring for the homeless 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Anx said: and on the other side of the spectrum, here's a story that griped my ass all day:
the other day at my job, someone was reading a story in the paper out loud about how the lincoln park zoo was going to perform surgery on one of the bears in captivity. one of my co-workers said, "here we go again, let's pamper the animals but not give a toss about human beings." and i was like, IT'S THE GOD DAMN ZOO!!! what are they supposed to do, let it die and make a damn coat out of it? it's the ZOO, it's what they're THERE for!
i mean, people are so kneejerk about this shit, and i really don't understand it. it's like the very idea of showing any kind of kindness to animals is the most offensive thing in the world. and i find THAT attitude offensive. i understand the balance between caring for animals and using them for the comfort of mankind - i may not AGREE with that philosophy fully, but i do understand it and have some limited amount of respect/tolerance for it - but to just have a wholesale attitude of "they're just animals, fuck 'em" just implies something ugly in a person's heart. the "just animals" bullshit bothers me just as much as not caring for the homeless and i'd really like to know what these "pamper the animals and ignore human" gripers are doing to aid the cause of humanity. | |
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first time i took my niece out driving on a trail on the farm
she all of a sudden slammed on the brakes for no apparent reason. i asked what was wrong... she said there was a beetle crossing the road 
so after that we had the discussion about the sanctity of life of the passengers in your vehicle and those on the road around you versus a mouse or a bird or rabbit or even a deer. i'm all about defensive driving. be aware of your surroundings to prevent those situations. but if you make me go to another funeral because you flipped the car over an animal 
she is a soft heart though and would share her last bit of food with a panhandler on the street or a squirrel in the park, wouldn't matter to her. 
(happy birthday sarah!  ) She couldn't stop crying 'cause she knew he was gone to stay | |
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emm said: first time i took my niece out driving on a trail on the farm
she all of a sudden slammed on the brakes for no apparent reason. i asked what was wrong... she said there was a beetle crossing the road
so after that we had the discussion about the sanctity of life of the passengers in your vehicle and those on the road around you versus a mouse or a bird or rabbit or even a deer. i'm all about defensive driving. be aware of your surroundings to prevent those situations. but if you make me go to another funeral because you flipped the car over an animal
she is a soft heart though and would share her last bit of food with a panhandler on the street or a squirrel in the park, wouldn't matter to her.
(happy birthday sarah! )that's very sweet.
and yeah, if it were a matter of survival between me and an animal...like, say, if i had to defend myself against a coyote that was looking at me like i was a big ol' walking beef casserole, then if i can do anything about it, ol' wile e. is going DOWN. but then again, i'd feel the same way if it were a human endangering my life. or a machine. or anything life-endangering. | |
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