heartbeatocean said:

I just googled it and found this site http://www.fromthestars.c...ge123.html


From what I've read so far on twin souls, it describes so well what I've found in someone. It was always hard for me to put into words to convey and accurate description other than soulmate until I read about twin souls. Thank you...
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The idea of soulmates is corny. It's another illusion that binds us to the world and further transmigration. The truth is, we are ALL unified...drops in the great infrangible Ocean of Consciousness. All the rest belongs to karma, relativity, and suffering.

Strike off thy fetters! Bonds that bind thee down,
Of shining gold, or darker, baser ore;
Love, hate--good, bad--and all the dual throng,
Know, slave is slave, caressed or whipped, not free;
For fetters, though of gold, are not less strong to bind;
Then off with them, Sannyasin bold! Say-- Om Tat Sat, Om

statuesqque said:

I'll try to explain how I feel about it... I've always called it "other halves" but it's not quite what I mean either... I mean that I've all through my life met people of both genders and not only lovers, friends also, that I feel are "other halves" for me, they make me complete. I've revised that to "other parts" though, cos I feel there is only 1 potential "other half", the PERFECT match for my spirit and soul. The others make me more whole as well and so they're soul mates. They're the ones that you feel like you've known all your life, the ones you know what they think even though they're an ocean away and the ones you think "I should call him/her" and they call 5 mins later even though you didn't agree on calling each other previously. So many little things but the twin soul, that's just EVERYTHING... the peace, the calm, the safety...along with the exhilarating feeling of incredible excitement.

Teacher said:

I don't have experience with this. But then, I'm just a wanderer in the night.

heartbeatocean said:

You've never felt like another person makes you feel better in your spirit?

statuesqque said:

Maybe I need to find a different word that describes all those other souls
that come along with us through our lifetimes....mate does suggest lover,
husband, wife.

Teacher said:

Emotionally, sure. In my spirit? My spiritual teacher does and the few enlightened beings I have met do. But I don't call these people "soulmates" or "twin souls". My ultimate relationship is with God, whom I could call a "twin soul", but then it sounds as if there's curtain of separation between us. Some people do reflect my soul more clearly than others and help me see my spirit but as Buddha said, "Be a lamp unto yourself". For if there are two, there is still separation. As for someone else making me complete or whole? We are already whole and perfect, we just need to realize it.

heartbeatocean said:

I wouldn't necessarily rule it out.....however, I am into more spiritual
than scriptural reading....

obsessed said:

If the Bhagavad Gita isn't spiritual, then I don't know what it is.

Teacher said:

that's it exactly, it's a wonderfully beautiful thing.

statuesqque said:

That link describes it exactly.

statuesqque said:

Sounds great, but in my experience it has been fleeting. I'll keep an open mind though



...as I fold back into the darkness.

heartbeatocean said:

I've done that on every level but in a positive way for me.

Teacher said:

OK, so the lover, wife, husband is the "twin soul"
and all the others are "soulmates"...that helps clarify
the very thing that I was trying to get at...

obsessed said:

So which school of thought do you ascribe to?

statuesqque said:

Oh, it's positive for me too

...or negative...

or neither

heartbeatocean said:

We grow and evolve constantly and so there are different soul mates for different times in your life. I mean that these are people we talk about, your relationship with God is something else entirely because it's not a human entity. We are all different and therefore the concept is experienced differently by us, your way and your experience might not be mine but it doesn't mean that it's any less real or true for either one of us.

Christaro said:

ARGH!!! I don't understand this!!!

Thanks for the link.

statuesqque said:

Thank you, somehow I missed that link...

obsessed said:

Lovers can also be soul mates, just that you tend to move on between them, seemingly in search of the twin soul. My best friend is a soulmate of mine, as has several of my ex boyfriends been but not all. My mother is one also, I never thought so cos I actively hated her for so long (even after I realised she was a soul mate) but then she got gravely ill and almost died, she was on a ventilator for 8 weeks and so she couldn't speak properly. I found very quickly I understood what she wanted even without reading her lips, I didn't like it at all cos I'd wished that she WOULD die cos my life would be better because of it. Then I realised that we shared something deeper than mere blood and today I'm very happy she didn't die.

Teacher said:

Okay. That I can understand. But if soul mates are temporary can they really be exalted to the status of SOULMATES?

On the link, it implies that during the primordial separation from the Absolute, we broke from our twin soul...but how can there be a twin soul when all there was was the Absolute?


Unless that twin soul is the Absolute itself?

heartbeatocean said:

You will, as you said you keep an open mind and one (or hopefully more) will cross your path one day.

Teacher said:

It's weird. I recently had a colleague, former classmate die. We didn't even get along and I always felt a sense of animosity between us. Then when he died, I realized he was a mirror for me, a pure reflection of me in terms of my art (and soul), and a kind of soulmate. My grief was so intense because of this, even though in life our egos got in the way and we hadn't seen each other in years or seemed to have much in common. It's like there were two relationships that we had with each other -- a troubled one on earth and a pure one in spirit. Perhaps this disconnection between earth and spirit is what caused him to take his own life.

LleeLlee said:

I'm not really sure that I have one school of thought...
I'm still bouncing around on this whole reincarnation concept as it pertains to me.
The past 6 months have really got me thinking, digging for answers.

obsessed said:

There's evidence that Jesus spoke about reincarnation. It was later deleted from the Bible.

heartbeatocean said:

I see your point very well with the soul mate thing, and the best I can say to explain is that I really can't find another word for it, it goes beyond simple attraction and affection. i.e, I can be very attracted to somebody and feel great affection, friendship, love etc. for them but if I don't feel a deeper connection, a merging of souls or spirits if you will, the sense that we make each other more complete, then they're not a soul mate. I'd like to go back to my initial post here, where I said



Does it make a difference to you if I call it the phrases above instead of "soul mate"? Or if I break it down to this; A soul mate "traditionally" is, as you accurately say, an exalted state usually meaning they're THE ONE. I'd like to put it like this instead: A soul mate is simply somebody whose soul can mate with yours, meaning they're compatible - not that they're ONLY compatible with that one other soul.

Make more sense?

heartbeatocean said:

My condolences, realising these things is rough. Might sound corny, but I believe that his spirit is still around (like all spirits who have left us) so tell him this, tell him you realise this now and that you appreciate him for it. Knowing who you are both grounded and in spirit is not as common as you might think, and you might be right in that he didn't know. Please don't ever think you had any part in that though.

Teacher said:

OK, I never really thought about the lover aspect until you mentioned it now,
which would include not only x-lovers, but x-husbands/wives maybe?

You mention your mother being a soulmate....my father is one of mine, and he's
gone now...it was a stormy relationship, but not necessarily bad. It was
extremely hard for me when he died.

I suspect I'll have many more lifetimes with him however.....

Teacher said:

No... It makes less sense when you start talking about other halves, other parts and making one complete. Because I truly feel and believe, in my own spiritual structure, that we ARE already complete, we ARE the Absolute before it fell into parts.

The language that works best for me, is the idea of reflection. That a soulmate reflects the Absolute in you, the true you. So that when you are with them, you are more aware of your divine nature, you can actually see yourself better. That there is a purity and clarity in perception between you, undistorted by ego and selfish desires and psychological projections. It's a way of seeing each other.

I have many very good friends who see parts of me, but precious few, if any, who can see all of me. Especially because I'm so strange.

Teacher said:

Yes, I have told him this many times and now this discovery is part of me and was his gift to me. I don't think he could have possibly known how to reconcile his life and spirit. That was the problem, I guess.