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PrintableShawnt24 said: PleasurePrinciple said: Well,the 1st shooting which took 2 lives in a dorm...the dorm had to have a card that would be swiped to open the dorm door.So,they either knew and trusted the guy or he did attend the school
 According to some of my friends from VT, the gunman was a student. At a dorm, he got into an argument with his girlfriend. He killed her and the Resident Adviser who came to help. Then he went on to the engineering building TWO HOURS(!!!!) later and went on a bigger rampage. I really don't understand how they didn't close down campus after the first shooting. They sent out an e-mail and that was it. Wow, so the gunman WAS a student at the school. When I watched the TV reports earlier, it was uncertain as to whether or not he was. That's so ridiculous to go on a shooting rampage just because you got into a fight with your girlfriend.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: Shawnt24 said: According to some of my friends from VT, the gunman was a student. At a dorm, he got into an argument with his girlfriend. He killed her and the Resident Adviser who came to help. Then he went on to the engineering building TWO HOURS(!!!!) later and went on a bigger rampage. I really don't understand how they didn't close down campus after the first shooting. They sent out an e-mail and that was it. Wow, so the gunman WAS a student at the school. When I watched the TV reports earlier, it was uncertain as to whether or not he was. That's so ridiculous to go on a shooting rampage just because you got into a fight with your girlfriend. I heard the report last night that it was a man looking for his girlfriend and thought, "surely not." But it's true - so unbelievably absurd that all these families must grieve due to one man's insanity. Most of the kids are 18 - 21 and at the best time of their lives.... | |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...562259.stm
Anger over US shooting warnings The campus has now been closed and students evacuated Survivors of the worst shooting rampage in US history have criticised authorities for waiting too long to alert people a gunman was on the loose.
The gunman killed 32 at Virginia Tech university, before killing himself. There were two hours between the two separate attacks - 30 of the victims were killed in the second one. Students have asked why the campus was not locked down, but officials defended their actions, saying they could not have foreseen the second incident. 
President George W Bush said the US was "shocked and saddened" by the attack at the university in the town of Blacksburg, home to 26,000 students. Motive unclear Many unanswered questions remain about the attacks. Police have still not said for sure that the two attacks were linked. They have confirmed that two handguns were recovered. They say they have a preliminary ID of the dead gunman but have not released it. There is no clue yet as to any motive. Virginia Tech police chief Wendell Flinchum also refused to rule out the possibility of a co-conspirator. The shooter shot the door twice at chest level, which resulted in two holes in the door, one of which hit the podium in the front of the classroom Nikolas Macko, student "I'm not saying there is someone out there, and I'm not saying there is someone who is not," he said. Police have also not said whether the gunman was a student but witnesses said he seemed to know a lot about the buildings, chaining doors to stop students escaping. One student, Erin Sheehan, described him as "a little bit under six feet tall, young looking, Asian, dressed sort of strangely, almost like a boy scout, very short-sleeved light, tan shirt and some sort of ammo vest with black over it". Some students complained angrily that they had received no warning from the university until an e-mail more than two hours after the first incident. There were no public-address announcements, they said. Student Billy Bason, 18, said: "I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident." Graduate student Erin Mabry said: "There was a two-hour gap between the two incidents. There is no excuse for a two-hour time gap with no information." But Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said: "We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur. "We can only make decisions based on the information you had at the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it." Chief Flinchum said emergency services received a call at 0715 (1215 GMT) alerting them to a shooting at a dormitory - West Ambler Johnston Hall. The second shooting was at the engineering building, Norris Hall. Police said they thought the first incident was isolated and "domestic" and that the gunman had left the campus. Counsellors Eyewitnesses said some students jumped from classroom windows to escape the gunfire, which triggered panic on campus. Some of those locked down inside the university buildings were using the internet to try to glean information about what was happening and many e-mailed the BBC News website. Nikolas Macko described how his class in Norris Hall barricaded a door against the gunman. "The shooter tried to open the door, but my classmates kept it well shut, as they held the table against it from floor level. "The shooter shot the door twice at chest level, which resulted in two holes in the door, one of which hit the podium in the front of the class room and the other continued out the window. At this point he reloaded, shot the door again - this shot did not penetrate - and moved on to the other classrooms," Mr Macko said. Officials said counsellors were in place at the campus for student families. The names of the victims have not been officially released but information has been trickling out and students are beginning to learn of the deaths of their friends. The deadliest mass US shooting prior to the Virginia attack was in Texas in 1991 when George Hennard killed 23 people and himself in a cafeteria.  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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christos7 said: Brace urselves 4 tighter gun laws America..took something like this 2 change our laws here..
http://www.vialls.homeste...rthur.html Never gonna happen in the US... the constitution you know  
Shit like this in America makes me sick. Truly sick. | |
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One of the people killed was a professor, a 75-year-old Holocaust survivor...he was killed on Holocaust remeberance day. Irony. | |
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Doctor from Montgomery Regional Hospital says NO shooting victim had LESS than 3 wounds, at least one of the ones killed had one bullet in the leg, one in the heart and one in the head. Bastard really meant to KILL. | |
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this is just sick. i think the final death count is 32. it had changed during the day yesterday.how come the police took so long? i heard that the police never reached the shooter and that he committed suicide. and they had a press conference with one of the policemen who said repeatedly that "i can't answer that...can't release that information" wtf is that? ppl need to know what's going on.
I saw this on BBC after the 1st incident and what angers me was that the university did practically nothing between the 2-hour period. oh wait- they sent an e-mail. yea- big help. ugh. sry abt that just needed 2 vent.    "So shall it be written, so shall it be sung..."  | |
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OMG  My thoughts go out to all involved | |
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My question is where is this girlfriend to help shed some light on this. "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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trc1 said: My question is where is this girlfriend to help shed some light on this.
Going on the story of my friends from Tech, the shooter's girlfriend was the first who to be killed in the dorm. | |
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sj1600 said: psychodelicide said: Wow, so the gunman WAS a student at the school. When I watched the TV reports earlier, it was uncertain as to whether or not he was. That's so ridiculous to go on a shooting rampage just because you got into a fight with your girlfriend. I heard the report last night that it was a man looking for his girlfriend and thought, "surely not." But it's true - so unbelievably absurd that all these families must grieve due to one man's insanity. Most of the kids are 18 - 21 and at the best time of their lives....  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Shawnt24 said: trc1 said: My question is where is this girlfriend to help shed some light on this.
Going on the story of my friends from Tech, the shooter's girlfriend was the first who to be killed in the dorm. Yeah, they're still working with that theory, so unless they hire a psychic, well... poor woman. | |
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This is from the Chicago Tribune....
http://www.chicagotribune...o-topstory College gunman left note By Aamer Madhani Tribune national correspondent Published April 17, 2007, 11:39 AM CDT BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say. The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms. Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women. A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. Cho was an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service, the Associated Press reported. Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled." "There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this." She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was. Cho, from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident. His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who graduated from Princeton University, according to the source. Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence. The gunman's family lived in an off-white, two-story town house in Centreville. "He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet. Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years. According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23. Cho was found among the 31 dead found in an engineering hall. Police said the victims laid over four classrooms and a stairwell. "He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him. A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol. Ballistics tests by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed that one gun was used in Monday's two separate campus attacks that were two hours apart. As a permanent legal resident of the United States, Cho was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of any felony criminal charges, a federal immigration official said. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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This is just too sad for words....
Some victims' names released
Among the dead was a professor, Liviu Librescu. Students who were in Librescu's engineering class at Norris Hall told the Tribune late Monday that the professor tried to protect the students in his class when they realized a gunmen was loose in the building. Alec Calhoun was in Librescu's solid mechanics engineering class when gunfire erupted in the room next door. He said Librescu, went to the door and pushed himself against it in case the shooter tried to come in. Librescu, an Israeli, was born in Romania and was known internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering. Also killed were: # Ross Abdallah Alameddine, 20, of Saugus, Mass., according to his mother, Lynnette Alameddine. # Ryan Clark, 22, of Martinez, Ga., biology and English major, according to Columbia County Coroner Vernon Collins. # Daniel Perez Cueva, 21, a native of Peru studying international relations, according to his mother, Betty Cueva. # Kevin Granata, age unknown, engineering science and mechanics professor, according to Ishwar K. Puri, the head of the engineering science and mechanics department. # Caitlin Hammaren, 19, of Westtown, N.Y., a sophomore majoring in international studies and French, according to Minisink Valley, N.Y., school officials who spoke with her family. # Emily Jane Hilscher, a 19-year-old freshman from Woodville, according to Rappahannock County Administrator John W. McCarthy, a family friend. # G.V. Loganathan, 51, civil and environmental engineering professor, according to his brother G.V. Palanivel. # Mary Karen Read, 19, of Annandale, Va. according to her aunt, Karen Kuppinger, of Rochester, N.Y. Fifteen victims, including three who originally were listed in critical condition, were listed in stable or good condition and two remained in critical condition, wire services reported. teachers and kids....just young kids....why, for Christ's sake? Why?[Edited 4/17/07 10:04am] "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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While reading this story, the following song popped into my head:
I DON'T LIKE MONDAYS the silicon chip inside her head gets switched to overload and nobody's gonna go to school today she's going to make them stay at home and daddy doesn't understand it he always said she was good as gold and he can see no reason 'cause there are no reasons what reason do you need to be shown tell me why i don't like mondays tell me why i don't like mondays i don't like i don't like i don't like mondays tell me why i don't like mondays i want to shoot the whole day down, down, down shoot it all down heeyeea and the playing stopped in the playground now she wants to play with her toys a while and school's out early and soon we'll be learning the lesson today is how to die and then the bullhorn cackles and the captain tackles with the problems and the how's and why's and he can see no reason 'cause there are no reasons what reason do you need to die, die, ohhh tell me why i don't like mondays tell me why i don't like mondays i don't like i don't like i don't like mondays tell me why i don't like mondays tell me why i don't like mondays i don't like i don't like i don't like mondays ooohmmm i don't like mondays...no... i wanna to shoot the whole day down whole day... whole day.... the whole day down RIP to all the innocent victims who were senselessly killed in this tragedy. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Appropriate song for today....
Please watch this video about Ryan Clark. Meredith Vieira talks to friends of this brave Virginia Tech student who was killed when coming to the aid of a student. 
http://video.msn.com/v/us...2&f=00&fg= Nikki Giovanni just spoke at V Tech., where she is a University Distinguished Professor. I can't remember word for word what she said, but she put some things into perspective....She said that no one asks for tragedy. Not the child in Africa dying from AIDS, not the child in Mexico trying to find clean water to drink...NO ONE deserves this. But, it happens. That's all I can remember... "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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noimageatall said: Appropriate song for today....
Please watch this video about Ryan Clark. Meredith Vieira talks to friends of this brave Virginia Tech student who was killed when coming to the aid of a student.
http://video.msn.com/v/us...2&f=00&fg= Nikki Giovanni just spoke at V Tech., where she is a University Distinguished Professor. I can't remember word for word what she said, but she put some things into perspective....She said that no one asks for tragedy. Not the child in Africa dying from AIDS, not the child in Mexico trying to find clean water to drink...NO ONE deserves this. But, it happens. That's all I can remember... Wow, that was some speach Proffessor Giovanni gave! It made me cry, not only for this tragedy. | |
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Here is a link to a one-act play he wrote in a creative writing class. It is about a pedophilic stepfather and murder of 13-year-old boy...this guy was truly disturbed...
http://www.thesmokinggun....tech1.html "Always blessings, never losses......"
Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!  I'm a guy!!!!
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Shop owner: Virginia Tech shooter bought gun for $571
Virginia (CNN) -- The student who killed 33 people Monday at Virginia Tech paid $571 for a 9 mm Glock 19 pistol just over a month ago, the owner of Roanoke Firearms told CNN Tuesday. John Markell said Cho Seung-Hui was very low-key when he purchased the gun and 50 rounds of ammunition with a credit card in an "unremarkable" purchase. Cho presented three forms of identification and state police conducted an instant background check that probably took about a minute, the store owner said. (Watch how quickly these guns can be fired, reloaded ) Cho did not say why he wanted the gun, Markell said. A fellow student said the 23-year-old English major had written two plays so "twisted" that his classmates suspected he might become a school shooter. Ian McFarland, who said he had class with Cho, called the plays "very graphic" and "extremely disturbing." McFarland is an employee of America Online, which has provided the writings to CNN. (Read McFarland's blog and the two plays) "It was like something out of a nightmare," McFarland wrote in a blog. "The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of. "Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter." A university official also said that Cho scribed writings so "disturbing" they were sent to administrators, a university official said Tuesday. ----- wow..... it just seems like people knew he had this in him. Yet, nothing could be done. [Edited 4/17/07 14:11pm] | |
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Sowhat said: Here is a link to a one-act play he wrote in a creative writing class. It is about a pedophilic stepfather and murder of 13-year-old boy...this guy was truly disturbed...
http://www.thesmokinggun....tech1.html Just got through reading it. He definitely was a disturbed individual. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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what i want to know is how in the hell after the first rampage...two hours later...he was able to reload, and then reload, and then reload some more with only handguns without security, a SWAT team or something stopping his ass!!!
Message for mentally disturbed people: If you know something is up with you, please get help, I mean REALLY REALLY get help, you could save not only your live, but others lives as well. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: Message for mentally disturbed people: If you know something is up with you, please get help, I mean REALLY REALLY get help, you could save not only your live, but others lives as well. If they are mentally disturbed, then they probably have no idea that something is wrong with them. I had a college friend who was mentally disturbed. People from the D.C. area/Fairfax may have heard this story. He was a good guy, athlete, smart, and went to the College of William and Mary. He seemed to have it all. As the college years went on, we noticed something was obviously different about him. We could not even have conversations with him because he would talk about such off the wall stuff. When we would try to get him to explain the absurd things he was talking about, he just said "We didn't understand" and walked off. We urged him to go get help because something wasn't right. He finally did go get help and he was diagnosed as bi-polar. He seemed to be doing just fine. He received medication for his illness and was slowly coming back the old friend we used to know. Until, some crushing family problems came up...he reacted bad. Stopped taking his medicine...starting talking crazy again. On Mother's day of 2006, he ended up killing his mother. He was delusional. The point of this whole story is. You never know what is going on in someone's head. When it comes to this mental illness thing, you have to assume that the people with the problems will not take care of it themselves. In their mind, they are perfectly normal. | |
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Shawnt24 said: missfee said: Message for mentally disturbed people: If you know something is up with you, please get help, I mean REALLY REALLY get help, you could save not only your live, but others lives as well. If they are mentally disturbed, then they probably have no idea that something is wrong with them. I had a college friend who was mentally disturbed. People from the D.C. area/Fairfax may have heard this story. He was a good guy, athlete, smart, and went to the College of William and Mary. He seemed to have it all. As the college years went on, we noticed something was obviously different about him. We could not even have conversations with him because he would talk about such off the wall stuff. When we would try to get him to explain the absurd things he was talking about, he just said "We didn't understand" and walked off. We urged him to go get help because something wasn't right. He finally did go get help and he was diagnosed as bi-polar. He seemed to be doing just fine. He received medication for his illness and was slowly coming back the old friend we used to know. Until, some crushing family problems came up...he reacted bad. Stopped taking his medicine...starting talking crazy again. On Mother's day of 2006, he ended up killing his mother. He was delusional. The point of this whole story is. You never know what is going on in someone's head. When it comes to this mental illness thing, you have to assume that the people with the problems will not take care of it themselves. In their mind, they are perfectly normal. Actually, I don't agree with that. I know a few people who are bipolar and several who are mentally ill. They all are fully aware of their mental illness even if they can't control it. They battle with it every day and definitely know they're not perfectly "normal" (whatever that is). Even if they don't have a diagnosis yet, often they know something is wrong and can seek help and become accountable for their actions. But it can be very difficult and without a strong support system or an environment that acknowledges and addresses the problem, they can get into trouble. I have been with people who are bi-polar when they are in their high/manic mode -- and at that point they have lost perspective...maybe what you mean as a reference point for"normal". [Edited 4/17/07 17:26pm] | |
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check out this copy cat today. Bunch of sickoshttp://www.azcentra...17-ON.html | |
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Sowhat said: Here is a link to a one-act play he wrote in a creative writing class. It is about a pedophilic stepfather and murder of 13-year-old boy...this guy was truly disturbed...
http://www.thesmokinggun....tech1.html I just read that. looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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Nikkiluv said: http://www.azcentral.com/community/swvalley/articles/0417abrk-evac17-ON.html
Sorry, check this out. Sick copycat Sounds like someone who just wants attention. looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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heartbeatocean said: I have been with people who are bi-polar when they are in their high/manic mode -- and at that point they have lost perspective...maybe what you mean as a reference point for"normal". [Edited 4/17/07 17:26pm] You are right. I should not have made a blanket statement about this. However, there definitely are cases of people afflicted with mental illness who just have no idea what is going on with them. I think we as a society need to be watchful over our neighbors...help them out before they fall. Or help them up when they do fall. [Edited 4/17/07 17:40pm] | |
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newpower99 said: Shop owner: Virginia Tech shooter bought gun for $571
Virginia (CNN) -- The student who killed 33 people Monday at Virginia Tech paid $571 for a 9 mm Glock 19 pistol just over a month ago, the owner of Roanoke Firearms told CNN Tuesday. John Markell said Cho Seung-Hui was very low-key when he purchased the gun and 50 rounds of ammunition with a credit card in an "unremarkable" purchase. Cho presented three forms of identification and state police conducted an instant background check that probably took about a minute, the store owner said. (Watch how quickly these guns can be fired, reloaded ) Cho did not say why he wanted the gun, Markell said. A fellow student said the 23-year-old English major had written two plays so "twisted" that his classmates suspected he might become a school shooter. Ian McFarland, who said he had class with Cho, called the plays "very graphic" and "extremely disturbing." McFarland is an employee of America Online, which has provided the writings to CNN. (Read McFarland's blog and the two plays) "It was like something out of a nightmare," McFarland wrote in a blog. "The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of. "Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter." A university official also said that Cho scribed writings so "disturbing" they were sent to administrators, a university official said Tuesday. ----- wow..... it just seems like people knew he had this in him. Yet, nothing could be done. [Edited 4/17/07 14:11pm] How in the fuck does someone so easily get their hands on a handgun and all that ammunition? The gun laws in the US are fucked. Severely. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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