I like most of my vices.

you can't eat sugar when you're straight edge? good lord, just suck the fun right out of living then.



It's always tough to try and live a life that is morally ideal, which is essentailly what being straight-edge is all about. If you truly believe in those morals and that following them will lead you to a better life somehow then I guess it's good to tough it out. However, if these morals are making you damned miserable, isolated, and depressed then maybe you need to think about why you're doing what you are doing and re-evaluate your attitude or choices.

JasmineFire said:

how insightful

full of insight

insightfully full of it

sXe

NWF said:

damn i didnt know that being straight edge you couldnt have red meat,sugar or have sex,etc,etc??

i just thought most straight edge dudes just didnt smoke,drink or do any dope!

I hear ya, NWF. The ridicule rampant on this thread points toward the ostracization that occurs by even talking about it. But what's mixing everyone up is your use of the word "morals" in connection with lifestyle choices, as if one is universally better than another. Maybe in your world, but you got to be careful about assuming it's that way for everyone because most people really like a few of those things and will get offended if you frame it in moral terms. It's a touchy balance.

But not to fear, there are other straight-edge people around and you've just got to look for them if it makes you more comfortable. Then you won't be rubbing others the wrong way and vice versa and all will be a happy time.

SexualHazard said:

damn

OK, so maybe I went a bit overboard with the hardcore straight-edge sentiments. But there are actually some hardcore cats that even avoid stuff like red meat and sugar and stuff. I personally think sugar is inescapable, but I feel it should be consumed in moderation.

And yes, Christopher, you're right. Straight-edge has more to do with avoiding stuff like drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes. And it's not like I'm feeling guilty about it. It's just that it's hard trying to be that way when nearly everyone else around you is not that way. Now I'm not saying that what I choose is greater, but it is much healthier and you're much more balanced too.

Another thing is that because I'm a musician, drugs and alcohol and stuff have often gone hand in hand with the musician's lifestyle, so they say. I know there are straight-edge musicians, but they can't quite fit into the circles that the not-so-straight edge folks are at.

Genesia said:

I like a good arguement.

OK, I mentioned High School only as an example of a time where getting into stuff like drugs and alcohol and stuff was a big thing. To some students it mattered if you got into stuff like weed, 40's, and pussy. You just weren't cool or "down" if you didn't get into that. But it's still happening in the places I roam today. It's around the musicians I hang with, the friends I kick it with, etc. So it doesn't just end with High School. I didn't really care about that sutff because if that was the requirement of fitting in, then I wouldn't want to fit in anyways. But peer pressure is a bitch sometimes. Especially with even the nicest and coolest people.

I also understand that people are different and have different values and stuff. I'm just doing what is best for me. But I'm not the kind of person that goes around and judges or chastizes people for the choices that they make in their life. If they wanna drink, smoke, get high, and fuck like rabbits then that's their choice. But they should take responsibility for their actions if they feel they're grown enough to get into that. They should also be smart enough to know the consequences of their actions too. They should know the perils of excessive consumption.

REDFEATHERS said:

The problem is that these friends of mine happen to be not so straight-edge. but, really, that's their choice. If they know what they're getting into, they can fuck up their lives. I'm just sticking with what's best for me. But sometimes my friends make it seem like they're making me miss out on the pleasures of things like drugs and alcohol.

SexualHazard said:

I was just trying to be helpful. I struggled with similar problems when i was younger.
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heartbeatocean said:

maybe I could suggest castration if it is tempting you out of your 'straight edged' ways.



snip! snip!

JasmineFire said:

Yeah, but I'm not going to compromise my values for the sake of fitting in with other people or to get their apporval. Why should I have to do things that would be detrimental to my mind, body, and spirit because of the pressures of others?

Are you sure you arent the male version of
DigitalLisa?


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NWF said:

didnt you say that at the begining of this thread?

SexualHazard said:

Uh, does it sound like I'm repeating myself? I'm just trying to stress my point.

I no longer smoke or drink and haven't done drugs since high school. And I certainly wouldn't stick my anaconda of love in any pussy or ass sans raincoat (unless it was a long-term relationship and we'd both been tested). As for sugar: everything in moderation. Because you specify red meat, I'll assume you're not a vegetarian, in which case that's okay in moderation, as well.

In the words of Stanley Freedman, "Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice."

Any real friend would never pressure you to indulge in any of these things.

REDFEATHERS said:

Why, does she have issues too?

NWF said:

if you feel like you're missing out on something, why are you sXe?

evenstar3 said:

Because the the non straight-edge folks who indulge make it seem like you're missing out on something by not getting involved.

It's kinda like when I learned about how prevalent the drugs were in the Jazz era. The users were big into stuff like heroin and weed and stuff. But the non-users were pretty much excluded in their circle because they weren't into the drug culture.

NWF said:

really?

NWF said:

so? either surround yourself with other like-minded people or deal with/ignore it.

I'd say for NWF its tough being a wannabe "straight-edge"

a wannabe different, but I found out im just like everyone else


WWAAAA
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SexualHazard said:

What are you talking about? I really am straight-edged. I disagree with what my friends indulge in but that's their lives, not mine. I just don't understand why they think it's cool to harm themselves and value the harm so much.

NWF said:

i'm not saying that's what you should do.

You should do what's right for you. If you feel as though your beliefs are being challenged, then examine them and do what you feel is right.

man, now i feel bad for all of us drinking at the resteraunt sunday night.



sorry, love, i had no idea.

evenstar3 said:

I would totally read your advice column.

cborgman said:

Not to worry, I had a soda.

Ace said:

um, thanks? i'm not very good at giving advice, though.