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Thread started 03/30/07 6:37am

Shanti1

Compassion 慈心

In what ways do you express compassion or do you NOT show compassion normally in your life?


Just curious?

I some times go over board with mine and some times it comes back to bite me in the ass.

I am trying to be compassionate without compromising my happiness yet still have some sort of understanding for how others around me feel.

Some days I have a tough time balancing the two. I am trying....


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Reply #1 posted 03/30/07 6:38am

REDBABY

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I wish I could be less compassionate sometimes..
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Reply #2 posted 03/30/07 8:34am

Shanti1

REDBABY said:

I wish I could be less compassionate sometimes..



Me too - just some times...
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Reply #3 posted 03/30/07 8:38am

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You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose
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Reply #4 posted 03/30/07 8:39am

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FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose


empathy= your pain felt in my heart
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Reply #5 posted 03/30/07 8:40am

shausler

You want more, and still more,
Until you get more than you ever bargained for.
Now it’s plain, clear as rain,
I’ve seen your symptoms many times before.

Lying on your bed of pain
What will you have now?

What are riches untold in a life without compassion?
For there’s no winter as cold
As a life without compassion.
There’s no prescription that’s sold
That can heal you like compassion.

Well you tried and you cried,
And let your disappointment make you hard inside.
You have doubt, you reach out,
Still you’re the only one you care about.

Hiding in your sack of woe
What do you need now?

For there is nothing so sad
As a life without compassion.
And even love has turned bad,
It was love without compassion.
And you don’t need what you had
’cause you did not have compassion.

Dying on your bed of pain
What will you have now?

You’ll get no judgment from me,
I can only feel compassion.
And if that’s what you need,
I will give you my compassion.
Just don’t forget about me
’cause we all need some compassion.

Open up your heart
So you can start to feel compassion.
Get down on your knees,
Pray to heaven for compassion.
Everybody needs compassion.
If you want to be healed
Then you know you got to feel compassion.


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Reply #6 posted 03/30/07 8:41am

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FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose


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Reply #7 posted 03/30/07 8:45am

FunkMistress

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mdiver said:

FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose


empathy= your pain felt in my heart


Yeah, and I think compassion is just more effective and healthy. Compassion allows me to sit with another person's feelings and feel love for them, without getting so overwhelmed that I'm no longer able to be there for them. When I start taking on their pain and feeling it in that way, then I'm less able to focus on them because I've taken on their discomfort and that can distract me from acting out of compassion.
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Reply #8 posted 03/30/07 8:53am

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if i've been in the same boat as someone else, my compassion switch automatically switches to "on" and it's easier for me to comfort and talk to that person. i've found it harder for me to empathize, because it really does drain you.
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Reply #9 posted 03/30/07 8:53am

SureThing

I don't think I feel compassion then, if it's what erin described.

.....I go straight to empathy.
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Reply #10 posted 03/30/07 9:16am

MarySharon

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FunkMistress said:

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose



this is so me, empathizing way too much pout which doesn't keep me from being compassionate, and it DOES make me happy sun
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Reply #11 posted 03/30/07 9:32am

statuesqque

by being there, listening, loving them through there pain/suffering, being their strength in their time of weakness.
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Reply #12 posted 03/30/07 9:59am

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I am very conscious of others distress. If I can help to alleviate, then I will as best as I can.
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Reply #13 posted 03/30/07 10:11am

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FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose



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Reply #14 posted 03/30/07 1:56pm

Shanti1

FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose



You are correct nod
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Reply #15 posted 03/30/07 2:47pm

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I am often accused of being somewhat less than compassionate....only because after lending ear, arms, shoulders, and whatever else to help folks during their times, the excuses for why they're not making any real effort to get past their malady wear thin.....and I get to the point where the tough love angle comes to bear...."piss, or get off the pot"....if you're not gonna do anything to better your situation except bitch about how fucked up it is, what am I supposed to do, especially if I've been there listening to it for however long....? People, no matter how compassionate, reach the proverbial end of their rope..the limits of their patience....happens to the best of us....doesn't mean we love a friend any less, it just means that people get tired.....and a condition of friendship shouldn't have to be that I have to take on all of your stuff as my own...at some point, all the compassion in the world is meaningless if folks with the thing don't take ownership of it and make the change that needs to be made....

When does the need for compassion become martyrdom?
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot)

the video for the above...evillol
http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related
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Reply #16 posted 03/30/07 3:01pm

SexOnWheels

reneGade20 said:

I am often accused of being somewhat less than compassionate....only because after lending ear, arms, shoulders, and whatever else to help folks during their times, the excuses for why they're not making any real effort to get past their malady wear thin.....and I get to the point where the tough love angle comes to bear...."piss, or get off the pot"....if you're not gonna do anything to better your situation except bitch about how fucked up it is, what am I supposed to do, especially if I've been there listening to it for however long....? People, no matter how compassionate, reach the proverbial end of their rope..the limits of their patience....happens to the best of us....doesn't mean we love a friend any less, it just means that people get tired.....and a condition of friendship shouldn't have to be that I have to take on all of your stuff as my own...at some point, all the compassion in the world is meaningless if folks with the thing don't take ownership of it and make the change that needs to be made....

When does the need for compassion become martyrdom?


some VERY good points. nod plus, your friends can't expect it to be a one way street. if they expect you to take on their problems, they should be fully willing to take on yours as well.
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SexOnWheels said:


some VERY good points. nod plus, your friends can't expect it to be a one way street. if they expect you to take on their problems, they should be fully willing to take on yours as well.



Indeed!! nod ...and my pet peeve is if all said friend wants is a shoulder, then say so....they will instead ask for advice and will get all pissy when it isn't what they want to hear or it doesn't give them the outcome or solution they're looking for....mad
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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Reply #18 posted 03/30/07 5:20pm

missmad

true compassion never comes back to bite you smile
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Reply #19 posted 03/31/07 8:24am

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reneGade20 said:

SexOnWheels said:


some VERY good points. nod plus, your friends can't expect it to be a one way street. if they expect you to take on their problems, they should be fully willing to take on yours as well.



Indeed!! nod ...and my pet peeve is if all said friend wants is a shoulder, then say so....they will instead ask for advice and will get all pissy when it isn't what they want to hear or it doesn't give them the outcome or solution they're looking for....mad


For me, compassion doesn't mean I am attached one way or another to the outcome of the situation or what action the person takes.

Just because I've offered them compassion doesn't mean I expect them to behave a certain way. It's true though, that compassion can take on different forms depending on the situation. If your friend continues to wallow in misery, then sometimes the compassionate thing to do is to tell them you won't engage in their wallowing but will pray for their happiness. This way it doesn't affect you when they don't take your advice, or keep asking you for sympathy when they're not making any effort to change their situation. And they don't have to like it, either. Compassion is not about giving someone what they want (or what they think they want). Sympathy is a slippery slope, IMO. It easily gets turned to manipulation.
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Reply #20 posted 03/31/07 8:31am

Imago

I'm a badass.
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Reply #21 posted 03/31/07 8:32am

FunkMistress

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Imago said:

I'm a badass.


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You're a contradicktion.
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Reply #22 posted 03/31/07 9:09am

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FunkMistress said:


For me, compassion doesn't mean I am attached one way or another to the outcome of the situation or what action the person takes.

Just because I've offered them compassion doesn't mean I expect them to behave a certain way. It's true though, that compassion can take on different forms depending on the situation. If your friend continues to wallow in misery, then sometimes the compassionate thing to do is to tell them you won't engage in their wallowing but will pray for their happiness. This way it doesn't affect you when they don't take your advice, or keep asking you for sympathy when they're not making any effort to change their situation. And they don't have to like it, either. Compassion is not about giving someone what they want (or what they think they want). Sympathy is a slippery slope, IMO. It easily gets turned to manipulation.


Very well put!! But whats troubling about that is they'll write you off as being uncaring about their situation, or worse, will swear up and down that you're trying to force a solution down their throat....
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot)

the video for the above...evillol
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Reply #23 posted 03/31/07 9:10am

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reneGade20 said:

FunkMistress said:


For me, compassion doesn't mean I am attached one way or another to the outcome of the situation or what action the person takes.

Just because I've offered them compassion doesn't mean I expect them to behave a certain way. It's true though, that compassion can take on different forms depending on the situation. If your friend continues to wallow in misery, then sometimes the compassionate thing to do is to tell them you won't engage in their wallowing but will pray for their happiness. This way it doesn't affect you when they don't take your advice, or keep asking you for sympathy when they're not making any effort to change their situation. And they don't have to like it, either. Compassion is not about giving someone what they want (or what they think they want). Sympathy is a slippery slope, IMO. It easily gets turned to manipulation.


The way they choose to write you off has nothing to do with you.

hug

Very well put!! But whats troubling about that is they'll write you off as being uncaring about their situation, or worse, will swear up and down that you're trying to force a solution down their throat....
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Reply #24 posted 03/31/07 11:14am

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I don't mean to go deep on this, and I hope my response doesn't get this relegated to the closet known as P&R, but that question had me thinking:

The Bible describes Jesus Christ as having compassion on someone right before He healed or blessed or restored or fed them in some way.

I wonder if, in my life, I don't confuse sympathy (feeling sorry for someone's situation) with compassion. Because compassion moved Jesus to meet people's needs. I'm thinking that, by that standard, compassion should move me to be concerned enough about someone to try to meet their need, not just feel sorry for them.
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Reply #25 posted 03/31/07 11:32pm

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In the words of Dalai Lama: "Compassion makes one see the picture clearly; when emotions overtake us, the lack of seeing clearly clouds our perception of reality and hence the cause of many misunderstandings leading to quarrels (even wars)."



i.e., compassion for one's enemy.
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Reply #26 posted 04/01/07 12:45am

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FunkMistress said:

You ladies might be confusing compassion with empathy.

True compassion doesn't drain you. It simply allows you to feel connected to another person through the universality of suffering, and to feel love for them because each of us knows what it is to suffer.

But when you empathize too much (take on another's feelings) maybe it can drain you and even harm you.

rose


Thanks for explaining that! biggrin
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Reply #27 posted 04/01/07 1:18am

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I think I'm still learning how to be compassionate WITHOUT jumping to empathy & action. I had a problem w/ that, it was draining as HELL sigh

Boundaries are so necessary, especially when you learn to respect/uphold your own exclaim
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