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Thread started 03/27/07 5:19pm

jone70

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Smarmy or not smarmy?

Here's the situation:

    1. One part of my job is to work with/train volunteers. One particular guy applied to be a volunteer and in our interview he was asking me where I lived (e.g. which borough of NYC), where did I go to school, professional background, whatever. I never give out my exact address just, "Oh it's near X school/college." but I did mention that my apartment building was being torn down and (horror of horrors) I was contemplating moving to Queens. hrmph He seemed nice enough, if not a little over eager at our first meeting.

    2. So at our first volunteer training session he shows up 15 minutes early and I'm stuck talking with him before everyone else arrives. He asks me about the apt search. I tell him I have a few prospects but they are like safety schools--nice & probably I'll get into them; but I hope to find something better. He makes a comment about how I need to find a rich boyfriend. Which I deflect by saying, "Or win the lottery. ha ha." and change the subject. (I had never mentioned whether or not I even have a boyfriend.)

    3. He shows up at my job the next day to go on a tour that he knows I am giving, even though I gave all the volunteers the exact same tour the day before.

    4. Even though I have made it clear that he will be working with adults, he asked a lot of questions about how he could work with school groups, especially developmentally challenged/special needs.

    5. At the next training session he shows up (early again) with a catalogue of works by a specific artist, who we had discussed the previous week. As he is showing me the illustrations/reproductions he casually says, "You know, we have some of these originals in our apartment if you ever want to come over and see them. I live right in the neighborhood." I said, "Oh really. Wow." and again try to change the subject.



What do you think, is this guy smarmy or not?

I am so totally grossed out. ill I don't even want to make eye contact with the guy, let alone have him volunteer for me (thankfully he will not be anywhere near children). Am I overreacting, though? I mean he hasn't outright hit on me, but my "womens intuition" or gut or 6th sense--whatever you want to call it--is completely going off. I mean all the comments/questions could be interpreted as him being "nice", but I just am getting a weird vibe about the whole thing. (I've had similiar vibes in other professional situations and they guys did end up acting completely inappropriately towards me.) Do I have to wait for him to do something completely out of line to confirm my suspicions?

And because he is a volunteer how can I get rid of him? Technically he hasn't even started "volunteering," he still has 6 weeks of training. We do require background checks be run on volunteers, but unless he's a major criminal he probably won't be disqualified from working with the general public in public spaces. And the background check takes up to 90 days to process, during which time the company allows them to actively volunteer....
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Reply #1 posted 03/27/07 5:21pm

Stymie

Smarmy. Cut his advances off right now and you probably won't see him for the next six weeks.
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Reply #2 posted 03/27/07 5:52pm

babynoz

Trust your instincts...he's smarmy. I wish I knew how you could get rid of him. Maybe Stymie's right.
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Reply #3 posted 03/27/07 5:56pm

ItsOnlyMe

what's a smarmy?
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Reply #4 posted 03/27/07 6:35pm

Handclapsfinga
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Stymie said:

Smarmy. Cut his advances off right now and you probably won't see him for the next six weeks.

co-sign.
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Reply #5 posted 03/27/07 7:03pm

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ItsOnlyMe said:

what's a smarmy?


It's an adjective, not a noun: of low sleazy taste or quality
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #6 posted 03/27/07 7:06pm

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i've worked in volunteer coordination before, and it's such a fine line to walk... of course you need qualified volunteers (and certainly don't want them out there in the community badmouthing your agency), but you also need to be able to expect a professional relationship.

do you have a supervisor you can talk to about this? i think you're definitely right - he's crossed the line. whatever you can do to remove yourself from him is probably a good idea.
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Reply #7 posted 03/27/07 7:07pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Stymie said:

Smarmy. Cut his advances off right now and you probably won't see him for the next six weeks.

co-sign.



Okay, but how do I do that? I mean I don't respond to his 'advances' now, I just ignore them or change the subject. And like I said it's not like he is being completely bold about it...the comments are just inappropriate enough for me to feel uncomfortable, but not so over the top that they are clearly harassment.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #8 posted 03/27/07 7:17pm

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

i've worked in volunteer coordination before, and it's such a fine line to walk... of course you need qualified volunteers (and certainly don't want them out there in the community badmouthing your agency), but you also need to be able to expect a professional relationship.


Exactly--we struggle to get the number of volunteers we need so to lose even one makes a big impact. sigh I hate this.

do you have a supervisor you can talk to about this? i think you're definitely right - he's crossed the line. whatever you can do to remove yourself from him is probably a good idea.



Yes, I think that will be my next step. Last week I thought, "maybe I'm being overly sensitive/paranoid" but after tonight's comment about coming over to his place I definitely need to mention it to someone else. Should I go for my supervisor, or the ombudsman first?

All day today I was dreading the training b/c I was worried about what/if something would happen. sad I don't even want him to know where my office is...which once (if) he becomes a volunteer he will have to know.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #9 posted 03/27/07 7:19pm

Stymie

jone70 said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


co-sign.



Okay, but how do I do that? I mean I don't respond to his 'advances' now, I just ignore them or change the subject. And like I said it's not like he is being completely bold about it...the comments are just inappropriate enough for me to feel uncomfortable, but not so over the top that they are clearly harassment.
Just tell him he is making you uncomfortable and that you are not interested in him.
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Reply #10 posted 03/27/07 7:20pm

IrresistibleB1
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jone70 said:

Should I go for my supervisor, or the ombudsman first?



i don't know, i guess it depends on your organization. but either way, trust your gut - the guy obviously creeps you out, that's reason enough to distance yourself from him as much as possible. i hope you have an understanding supervisor/ombudsman to work with. good luck!
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Reply #11 posted 03/27/07 7:30pm

Ribbed4UrPleas
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IrresistibleB1tch said:

jone70 said:

Should I go for my supervisor, or the ombudsman first?



i don't know, i guess it depends on your organization. but either way, trust your gut - the guy obviously creeps you out, that's reason enough to distance yourself from him as much as possible. i hope you have an understanding supervisor/ombudsman to work with. good luck!



it creeps me out!
GIT THAT CORN OUTTA MY FACE!!!
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Reply #12 posted 03/27/07 8:18pm

emm

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no more small talk confused
you don't have to indulge him.

if he keeps showing up early make it clear you are busy preparing
and that you are not willing to discuss personal information.


i know it's easier said than done neutral
definately make someone higher up aware there is a situation.
perhaps he will still be a good enough volunteer.

good luck... keep us updated
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Reply #13 posted 03/27/07 8:27pm

Stax

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Ok, I am going to give your women's intuition the benefit of the doubt because I generally think women are smarter than men and you have actually met this guy and have a feel for him.....BUT....

based only on what you have said, it sounds to me like he has the hots for you. based only on what you have said, I am less sure that he would be a danger around kids. I think the "school groups/developmentally challenged" bit was a line to make you think he was a sensitive guy deserving of your time. That doesn't equal pedophile in my book. Smarmy? Perhaps. Not sure I would start calling him out as a molester yet, however.
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Reply #14 posted 03/27/07 8:56pm

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Stax said:

Ok, I am going to give your women's intuition the benefit of the doubt because I generally think women are smarter than men and you have actually met this guy and have a feel for him.....BUT....

based only on what you have said, it sounds to me like he has the hots for you. based only on what you have said, I am less sure that he would be a danger around kids. I think the "school groups/developmentally challenged" bit was a line to make you think he was a sensitive guy deserving of your time. That doesn't equal pedophile in my book. Smarmy? Perhaps. Not sure I would start calling him out as a molester yet, however.


I know asking about working with kids doesn't mean he's "lester the molester", but it was just one more weird thing, imho.

Yeah, maybe he has the hots for me, but that doesn't mean he should hit on me in a professional environment. I am his supervisor, technically. And two things I didn't mention in the initial post b/c I didn't want to "prejudice the jury" so to speak: he's married, and probably close to twice my age. barf So he should definitely not be hitting on me. Ugh. Nasty old married man. disbelief Maybe he mistakenly thinks I'm looking for a sugar daddy; but regardless he's married and not even close to being my type ( I don't do adultery for starters).
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #15 posted 03/27/07 8:58pm

Stax

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jone70 said:

Stax said:

Ok, I am going to give your women's intuition the benefit of the doubt because I generally think women are smarter than men and you have actually met this guy and have a feel for him.....BUT....

based only on what you have said, it sounds to me like he has the hots for you. based only on what you have said, I am less sure that he would be a danger around kids. I think the "school groups/developmentally challenged" bit was a line to make you think he was a sensitive guy deserving of your time. That doesn't equal pedophile in my book. Smarmy? Perhaps. Not sure I would start calling him out as a molester yet, however.


I know asking about working with kids doesn't mean he's "lester the molester", but it was just one more weird thing, imho.

Yeah, maybe he has the hots for me, but that doesn't mean he should hit on me in a professional environment. I am his supervisor, technically. And two things I didn't mention in the initial post b/c I didn't want to "prejudice the jury" so to speak: he's married, and probably close to twice my age. barf So he should definitely not be hitting on me. Ugh. Nasty old married man. disbelief Maybe he mistakenly thinks I'm looking for a sugar daddy; but regardless he's married and not even close to being my type ( I don't do adultery for starters).


I hear you. The married thing is definitely relevant information. He sounds like bad news.
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Reply #16 posted 03/27/07 9:02pm

jone70

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emm said:

no more small talk confused
you don't have to indulge him.

if he keeps showing up early make it clear you are busy preparing
and that you are not willing to discuss personal information.


i know it's easier said than done neutral
definately make someone higher up aware there is a situation.
perhaps he will still be a good enough volunteer.

good luck... keep us updated



Thanks. I know I have to be tough, it's just hard because I want to be polite (professional); plus when I get nervous I tend to talk more to avoid awkward silences which is the opposite of what I need to do in this situation. Next week maybe I will ask one of my co-workers to come to the classroom with me while I'm setting up so if he does show up early again at least she'll be there with me and I can avoid chit-chat with just him.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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