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More men taking wives' last names after marriage

From USA Today:

MORE MEN TAKING WIVES' LAST NAMES

By Steve Friess, Special for USA TODAY

The newlyweds knew it would be surprising, but they never expected it to go quite so badly.

As Donna and Mike entered their wedding reception, an unwitting announcer told the expectant crowd, "Ladies and gentleman, put your hands together for the new Mr. and Mrs. Salinger!"

Some guests clapped, some chuckled at what they presumed was a joke and most looked at one another in confusion. The couple spent the entire reception and some of their honeymoon explaining to people what they had done.

The groom, you see, had started his day as Mike Davis and ended it by doing something precious few of his brothers-in-arms do: He took his wife's last name instead of her taking his.

"Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought it would have caused as much of a stir as it did," says Mike Salinger, 27, of Seattle, who was married in November. "We knew people might be surprised, but we figured they'd say 'Huh' and get on with it.

"Three months later, I'm still taking (flak) from one of my college roommates."

Breaking with the 'norm'

The Salingers broke a patriarchal tradition so ingrained in American society that many women's studies researchers have yet to study it.

"I'm sure somewhere there's some anthropologist or someone who has looked at this, but I don't know of any," says Nancy Lutkehaus, chair of the Gender Studies program at the University of Southern California. "It hasn't been a large enough social phenomenon that it's hit the radar as something to be studied."

That may be coming. The California Legislature is set to consider a bill this month that would allow men to change their surnames upon marriage as seamlessly as women now can. Only seven states now allow a man who wishes to alter his name after his wedding to do so without going through the laborious, frequently expensive legal process set out by the courts for any name change. Women don't have to do so.

The bill is co-sponsored by the ACLU of California as a follow-up to a federal lawsuit the civil rights group filed in December on behalf of Michael Buday, a Los Angeles man who wants to take on his wife's surname, Bijon, to show his affinity for his father-in-law. He accuses the state of gender discrimination for forcing him into the more complex process.

"We have the perfect marriage application for the 17th century," says ACLU attorney Mark Rosenbaum, who is litigating the case. Buday did not respond to requests for an interview. "Every place Michael went, he had the door shut in his face or he was ridiculed."

Mike Salinger, who said it cost him about $350 to change his name legally, concedes he changed his name "because I'm a big ole granola liberal and I wanted to tweak the tradition while showing my wife I love her."

The 'hyphenating' option

But his and Buday's approach is only one, and perhaps the boldest, possible variation. A more frequent — if not common — occurrence, wedding consultant Sharon Naylor says, is for both members of a couple to take on both last names.

"I'm seeing men and women discussing the possibility of hyphenating their names together more than I did before because both have a vested interest in keeping the last name they've built their careers under," says Naylor, a New Jersey-based author of 32 books on weddings. "If the groom is considering it, there's always a concern of 'What will the people think at the office? What will my father think?' "

Christopher Sclafani and Jeannie Rhee avoided the wedding-night scene the Salingers endured by instructing their deejay not to introduce them with their last names, but their decision to take on both names without a hyphen caused other problems. The new Christopher Sclafani Rhee was immediately and persistently called Mr. Rhee, which most people assumed was his whole last name.

"People could not handle the idea that a man had a two-part last name," says the 34-year-old Washington, D.C., lawyer. "The first couple of months were incredibly jarring. Then we realized both are hard names to spell and to explain, so I just accepted this (Rhee) as my new last name."

'Turn in your man card'

Sam Van Hallgren, 32, co-host of the movie-review podcast Filmspotting, had to explain himself not just to his listeners but even to his co-host, Adam Kempenaar. Kempenaar was caught by surprise the first time Van Hallgren introduced himself at the top of their show with his new name. Van Hallgren was formerly Sam Hallgren until he wed Carrie Van Deest in August and they both took on the new, combined names.

Van Hallgren received a scathing note from a longtime listener with a subject line that read, "Sam, turn in your man card." The listener asked what "sissy juice" the host was drinking.

The Van Hallgrens, who live in Milwaukee, say they did it for their future children. The idea of merging names, which Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa also did when the former Antonio Villar wed the former Corina Raigosa in 1987, started out for Sam and Carrie as a joke. Then, while talking with a friend who was surprised Carrie would take Sam's name, Sam first uttered the merged version and they both liked it.

"I feared that people would think I did it to suggest more people should do it," he says. "But I didn't. It just made sense for us."

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Reply #1 posted 03/22/07 8:30pm

PANDURITO

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In Spain no-one takes the other's last names. It has always been like that.
My father has 2 last names and so does my mother.
I have both my father and my mother's first last names

Mr Manuel A B marries Mrs Maria C D and have a kid named Manolito A C

No hyphens either
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Reply #2 posted 03/22/07 8:31pm

applekisses

PANDURITO said:

In Spain no-one takes the other's last names. It has always been like that.
My father has 2 last names and so does my mother.
I have both my father and my mother's first last names

Mr Manuel A B marries Mrs Maria C D and have a kid named Manolito A C

No hyphens either


I love that practice.
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Reply #3 posted 03/22/07 8:41pm

ItsOnlyMe

I might do that, if I ever get married.
I mean, my last name is too middle eastern and some might find it either intimidating, or weird. If I want to fit in, I think it's best to change my name to something more local.
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Reply #4 posted 03/22/07 8:52pm

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PANDURITO said:

In Spain no-one takes the other's last names. It has always been like that.
My father has 2 last names and so does my mother.
I have both my father and my mother's first last names

Mr Manuel A B marries Mrs Maria C D and have a kid named Manolito A C

No hyphens either


There is thati in Mexico too. I like the idea of keeping my last name.
I really like spicy food. I mostly put Jalapenos on a lot of my food.

"There are three types of women for a man. The woman he wants to marry, the woman he should marry, and the woman he ends up marrying".
-Pedro Infante-


Una Vez Y Otra Mas!
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Reply #5 posted 03/22/07 8:56pm

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Reply #6 posted 03/22/07 9:01pm

eikonoklastes

What kind of fucking men are they? mad

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Reply #7 posted 03/22/07 9:02pm

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shrug

i hate my last name. if i ever get married, i will probably dump it in favor of his name, just because it gives me a solid reason to dump my last name.
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #8 posted 03/22/07 9:04pm

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cborgman said:

shrug

i hate my last name. if i ever get married, i will probably dump it in favor of his name, just because it gives me a solid reason to dump my last name.


I imagine getting rid of my last name for the same reason. lol
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Reply #9 posted 03/22/07 9:05pm

LleeLlee

CarrieMpls said:

cborgman said:

shrug

i hate my last name. if i ever get married, i will probably dump it in favor of his name, just because it gives me a solid reason to dump my last name.


I imagine getting rid of my last name for the same reason. lol



I like your last name, Minnieapolis, whats wrong with it?
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Reply #10 posted 03/22/07 9:06pm

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LleeLlee said:

CarrieMpls said:



I imagine getting rid of my last name for the same reason. lol



I like your last name, Minnieapolis, whats wrong with it?


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Reply #11 posted 03/22/07 9:11pm

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ItsOnlyMe said:

I might do that, if I ever get married.
I mean, my last name is too middle eastern and some might find it either intimidating, or weird. If I want to fit in, I think it's best to change my name to something more local.



Why? People should just accept you as you are.. you have had that name all your life.. changing it cant change you


I do have a friend who did keep her maiden name.. only cos her husbands surname is Beaver falloff


But I see alot of design ppl who keep their maiden name for work, just cos thats who they are known as in the business
if sexy was a colour it would be red batting eyes
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Reply #12 posted 03/22/07 9:11pm

JDINTERACTIVE

I´d gladly take me wife´s name as mine is boring as fuck! lol
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Reply #13 posted 03/22/07 9:12pm

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CarrieMpls said:

LleeLlee said:




I like your last name, Minnieapolis, whats wrong with it?


giggle



Well I like Menneapolis too but its not as clever as having your last name the same as your first name.. LleeLlee biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 03/22/07 9:12pm

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JDINTERACTIVE said:

I´d gladly take me wife´s name as mine is boring as fuck! lol



It is a bit lol but you make up for it in character hug
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Reply #15 posted 03/22/07 9:13pm

REDBABY

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I wish I had my mothers maiden name.. its really cool, but cos she is one of 3 daughters the name is just gonna vanish.. sad
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Reply #16 posted 03/22/07 9:14pm

LleeLlee

REDBABY said:

CarrieMpls said:



giggle



Well I like Menneapolis too but its not as clever as having your last name the same as your first name.. LleeLlee biggrin



Yeah I know, why complicate things biggrin
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Reply #17 posted 03/22/07 9:15pm

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CarrieMpls said:

cborgman said:

shrug

i hate my last name. if i ever get married, i will probably dump it in favor of his name, just because it gives me a solid reason to dump my last name.


I imagine getting rid of my last name for the same reason. lol


lol

then my friends can't mock the shit out of it as they have when i have adopted various stage names over the years in effort to not be a borgman anymore.
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Reply #18 posted 03/22/07 9:15pm

REDBABY

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LleeLlee said:

REDBABY said:




Well I like Minneapolis too but its not as clever as having your last name the same as your first name.. LleeLlee biggrin



Yeah I know, why complicate things biggrin



Your parents Mr and Mrs Llee must be dead cool.. cool
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Reply #19 posted 03/22/07 9:16pm

ItsOnlyMe

REDBABY said:

ItsOnlyMe said:

I might do that, if I ever get married.
I mean, my last name is too middle eastern and some might find it either intimidating, or weird. If I want to fit in, I think it's best to change my name to something more local.



Why? People should just accept you as you are.. you have had that name all your life.. changing it cant change you


I do have a friend who did keep her maiden name.. only cos her husbands surname is Beaver falloff


But I see alot of design ppl who keep their maiden name for work, just cos thats who they are known as in the business

I'm not trying to change myself by changing my name. But have a more common name for the area. People look at you different when you have a last name like mine.
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Reply #20 posted 03/22/07 9:16pm

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REDBABY said:

LleeLlee said:




Yeah I know, why complicate things biggrin



Your parents Mr and Mrs Llee must be dead cool.. cool


falloff
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Reply #21 posted 03/22/07 9:17pm

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my brother took his wife's name. pissed my mother off royally lol

now they're getting divorced, and he'll be back to his maiden... wait... um... birth name, i guess... lol
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Reply #22 posted 03/22/07 9:17pm

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ItsOnlyMe said:

REDBABY said:




Why? People should just accept you as you are.. you have had that name all your life.. changing it cant change you


I do have a friend who did keep her maiden name.. only cos her husbands surname is Beaver falloff


But I see alot of design ppl who keep their maiden name for work, just cos thats who they are known as in the business

I'm not trying to change myself by changing my name. But have a more common name for the area. People look at you different when you have a last name like mine.



Ahh so you mean I am more acceptable as redfeathers as I was as notzotadumot? wink
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Reply #23 posted 03/22/07 9:19pm

LleeLlee

REDBABY said:

LleeLlee said:




Yeah I know, why complicate things biggrin



Your parents Mr and Mrs Llee must be dead cool.. cool



er...eek ....yeah!
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Reply #24 posted 03/22/07 9:21pm

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LleeLlee said:

REDBABY said:




Your parents Mr and Mrs Llee must be dead cool.. cool



er...eek ....yeah!



|Or just forgetful.. hug
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Reply #25 posted 03/22/07 9:22pm

LleeLlee

REDBABY said:

LleeLlee said:




er...eek ....yeah!



|Or just forgetful.. hug


Must be cool to have Baby as a last name right? smile
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Reply #26 posted 03/22/07 9:25pm

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ItsOnlyMe said:

I might do that, if I ever get married.
I mean, my last name is too middle eastern and some might find it either intimidating, or weird. If I want to fit in, I think it's best to change my name to something more local.

what the hell? too middle eastern?? confuse
besides you are in canada and the most culterally diverse city in the nation now talk to the hand
anglicizing ones name is soooo last century
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Reply #27 posted 03/22/07 9:37pm

ItsOnlyMe

REDBABY said:

ItsOnlyMe said:


I'm not trying to change myself by changing my name. But have a more common name for the area. People look at you different when you have a last name like mine.



Ahh so you mean I am more acceptable as redfeathers as I was as notzotadumot? wink

Yes. exactly.
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Reply #28 posted 03/22/07 9:42pm

REDBABY

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LleeLlee said:

REDBABY said:




|Or just forgetful.. hug


Must be cool to have Baby as a last name right? smile



Makes me feel like I will never grow up.. sad
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Reply #29 posted 03/22/07 9:43pm

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ItsOnlyMe said:

REDBABY said:




Ahh so you mean I am more acceptable as redfeathers as I was as notzotadumot? wink

Yes. exactly.



Did I say it correctly? biggrin See? I have a good memory and I LOVED what you me and AzureStar shared back in the days..

I think I still have the paper somewhere with all the words on.. hug
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