This thread is not for people 2 argue right or wrong, what is right for 1 animal can be wrong for another it could even be detrimental to that animals health. This could be an education for all of us including ourselves in what, why we eat certain products or it could help a animal who maybe showing signs of illness - so be nice or ima yeah yeah I know some of u will enjoy that



1: What do you feed your pets?
Eg: Supermarket Kibble, supermarket wet/moist, holistic dry/moist, veterinary prescribed dry, veterinary prescribed moist, BARF, RAW, Home cooked, Mix of Dry and moist commercial food, Mix of Dry and BARF, Mix of Dry and Raw, Mix of Dry and Home cooked etc.

2: How many times a day do you feed your pet?

3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it?

4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member?

5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet?

6: Did a pet shop recommend the food?

7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food?

8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food?

9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food?


If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use?

2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience?

3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand?

4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product?

5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food?

6: Do you use organic brands?

7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients?

8: Do you use a food with priobotics added?

9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food?

10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food?
EG, fish oils, evening primrose, etc




If your animal eats BARF or RAW

1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed?

2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or commercially farmed meats?

3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared?

4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed?

5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients?

6: Do you add grains 2 the diet?

7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet?

8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet?

9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet?

10: Do you add supplements to the diet?
EG, fish oils, evening primrose, etc




Now 2 treats - When u give treats

1: Do you use commercial brands?

2: Do you make your own treats?

3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat?


For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone

2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones

3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones




Food intolerant.

1: Does your pet have food intolerances?

2: What food is your animal intolerant 2?

3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself?

4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon?

5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance?

6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food?
Eg: upset stomach, Large amounts of faecal matter, skin, ears problems etc

My cat is missing for four days I hope she's ok.I love Lulu.I feel like she's my sister...

Hubby cooks meat/noodles, meat/rice combinations. Meat and bones are cooked, not raw. Dogs get Purina dry dog food as a supplement.
No food intolerences thus far. They get regular checkups with the vet with vaccines.

furygirl said:

little 1 will hopefully come home soon.

katt said:

I hope she will!I love her...i love her so much that she made me a vegeterian!

xplnyrslf said:

Thank you for participating . You said you use “Purina dry dog food” Do you understand the food labelling of the product? Do you understand what exactly is in the food? Do you even care?

furygirl said:

I hate it when a cat goes missing, it's an awful feeling. Come home, Lulu!

psychodelicide said:

thanx!Will u pray 2 come back...she's my pet for 5 years...i have her since she was a little baby...i just can't take anymore her "daughter" died 1 year ago and she was 2 years my pet and i got so sad i just couldn't eat if something happen 2 Lulu I won't get a pet again eventhough I love 'em...

1: What do you feed your pets? raw meats, bone and liquidised vegetables

2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? he is a puppy so 3 times a day

3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it?no he is a rescue dog, it was a long process he was malnourished and underweight, i had to try many different foods to get him to eat

4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? nope, i read books and did some research on what dogs should eat, the vet was useless

5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet?see above

6: Did a pet shop recommend the food?i dont like most pet shops, but no

7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food?no, i think vets are too interested in selling you their products

8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food?nope, whats a vetinary nurse?

9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food?well i guess indirectly through literature and articles


If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods. never

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use? see above

2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience? n/a

3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand?n/a

4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product?yes its crap plus chemicals

5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food?no one does, labelling is a mystery

6: Do you use organic brands?nope

7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? yes of course

8: Do you use a food with priobotics added?no but i do give vetzyme

9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food? yes

10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food?yes, but mostly i try and give a ballanced diet

1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed? chicken, fish, muscle meat, bone, offal, tripe

2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or commercially farmed meats? i have sourced a butcher whose sells locally famred meats, organic is too expensive to feed my dog, unfortunately.

3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared? always, i do not buy intensively farmed meat.

4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed?carrots, turnip, parsnip, green beans, yellow squash, zucchini, dark green lettuces i liquidise the vegetables

5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients?

6: Do you add grains 2 the diet? hell no

7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet? no, pasta is wheat

8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet? yes parsley for his skin

9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet? of course

10: Do you add supplements to the diet? evening primrose is good for doggy smells


Now 2 treats - When u give treats i only give treats when he is good

1: Do you use commercial brands?his treats are vetzyme tablets, he loves em

2: Do you make your own treats?nope

3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat?nope


For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a boneyes of course, dogs love bones

2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bonesno raw bones only

3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bonessee above
[Edited 3/19/07 13:08pm]

1: What do you feed your pets?
Dry pet food, Eukanuba Large Breed Light. Most of the time (first two meals) I pour a LITTLE cold water on it so it gets a little bit soft because it helps so she won't choke.
2: How many times a day do you feed your pet?
3, because she's a very hungry dog. If I only feed her twice she eats so fast she'll choke on the food.
3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it?
No.
4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member?
Originally yes but that was 10 years ago.
5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet?
Yes I did.
6: Did a pet shop recommend the food?
No.
7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food?
N/A
8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food?
N/A
9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food?
Yes.

If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use?
Eukanuba for Uzie, Iams for the cats.
2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience?
No, I believe it's sufficient.
3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand?
Yes, if I didn't I'd find another one.
4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product?
Yes because I worked in the field.
5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food?
Yes.
6: Do you use organic brands?
No.
7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients?
No.
8: Do you use a food with priobotics added?
No.
9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food?
No.
10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food?
Yes, salmon oil because of the benefits to the coat, skin and claws. I use salmon oil instead of for example cod oil because it contains less Vitamin D.

Now 2 treats - When u give treats

1: Do you use commercial brands?
Sometimes.

2: Do you make your own treats?
Sometimes yes, dried beef liver.
3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat?
Yes, Uzie likes carrots, pears and sometimes apples...cucumber, tomatoe.

For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone
Uzie gets a bone to chew on every day, then I don't have to brush her teeth.
2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones
No, because then they can splinter and bone splinters are hazardous for the dog.
3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones
Yes, often right from the freezer.



Food intolerant.

1: Does your pet have food intolerances?
No.
2: What food is your animal intolerant 2?
N/A
3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself?
N/A
4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon?
N/A
5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance?
N/A
6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food?
N/A

I forgot 2 answer my own questions

1: What do you feed your pets? Holistic Moist & Home cooked

2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? twice a day

3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it? NO,the breeder was a lieing scum bag....

4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? NO

5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet?YES

6: Did a pet shop recommend the food?NO

7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food?NO None on the market that they could recommend

8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food?NO None on the market that they could recommended


9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food?Yes along side help from others in the animal health proffesion & holistic food manufacture.


If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use? Not branded as it’s specially made just for him.

2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience? NO

3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand?Yes I trust the maker.

4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product?YES

5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food?YES from the rendering process 2 the extrusion & denturing process. From where some of the manufactures get there ingredients from, I am fully well aware what some manufactures use in there products from Meat by-products, meat meals, Digest & animal derivatives, chemicals, gelling agents, binders and fillers, BHA, BHT and Ethoxyquin t. Don’t get me started on BHA, BHT and Ethoxyquin

6: Do you use organic brands?YES

7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients?No not now

8: Do you use a food with priobotics added?NO

9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food?YES protexin professional vet prescibed.

10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food? YES
EG, fish oils, evening primrose, etc




If your animal eats BARF or RAW YES

1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed? Haddock, cod, tuna, prawns
2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or commercially farmed meats? Organic

3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared?YES

4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed? So far he is good on carrots, tomatoes, pea’s, banana's, apple, we have to introduce foods slowly into his diet

5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? I did once but not now.

6: Do you add grains 2 the diet? Yes human grade organic gluten free brown rice

7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet? NO

8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet?YES

9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet? YES protexin professional vet prescibed.


10: Do you add supplements to the diet? YES vet prescribed - kelp seaweed, halibut liver oil, royal jelly, garlic
EG, fish oils, evening primrose, etc




Now 2 treats - When u give treats

1: Do you use commercial brands?Yes dried fishskins that are organic stink like hell mind u but I highly recomend them (fishskins r haddock and cod)

2: Do you make your own treats?YES his fav is tuna, veg, bone shaped treats.

3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat?YES fruit & veg A fresh carrot is fantastic 4 cleaning dogs teeth


For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a boneNO

2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bonesNO IM NOT NUTS!! step away frm cooked bones

3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bonesNO 4 the dog he cant have.




Food intolerant.

1: Does your pet have food intolerances? YES only my dog

2: What food is your animal intolerant 2?Don't make me write it all down I will be here all night.

3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself?YES

4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon?YES

5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance?YES

6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food?
Eg: upset stomach, Large amounts of faecal matter, skin, ears problems etc
ALL the above and a lot other symptoms, i wont write in-case someone is eating while reading do not want 2 put someone of there food.

Katt can u explain more about BHA, BHT and Ethoxyquin

thank you

This is for the dog only.

1: What do you feed your pets? Flint River Ranch Lamb Rice and Millet
2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? once, but probaly should move to at least twice
3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it? I chose it.
4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? a co worker
5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet? yes, extensively.
6: Did a pet shop recommend the food? no I don't deal with pet shops
7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food? no they wanted him on science diet and he was allergic.
8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food? no but his vet ( doctor) now feeds her dogs Flint River because mine looks so good,
9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food? no

If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use? Flint River Ranch
2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience? yes and he was allergic to everything I tried at home.
3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand? Yes
4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product? yes
5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food? yes
6: Do you use organic brands? yes
7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? no
8: Do you use a food with priobotics added? no
9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food? no
10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food? no
If your animal eats BARF or RAW
1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed? N/A
2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or commercially farmed meats? N/A
3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared? N/A
4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed?
I give him carrots, apples and cucumbers occassionally.
5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? N/A
6: Do you add grains 2 the diet? no
7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet? hell no he'd turn into a big scab
8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet? no
9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet? no
10: Do you add supplements to the diet?
Now 2 treats - When u give treats
1: Do you use commercial brands? yes, Flint River ranch lamb rice and millet wafers
2: Do you make your own treats? no I haven't found any that I could make that he wasn't allergic to.
3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat? carrots occassionally
For cat and dog owners
1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone NO
2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones NO
3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones NO
Food intolerant.
1: Does your pet have food intolerances? OH MY GOD YES!
2: What food is your animal intolerant 2? everything except rice and lamb3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself? yes
4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon? not really she took my word for it5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance? no too expensive.
6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food? horrible gas, SKIN SKIN SKIN RASH, diarhea, ear problems, but the ears and feet are because of a grass allergy as well.
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For the Cat
1: What do you feed your pets? Flint River Ranch Cat Food
2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? on demand
3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it? no
4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? co worker
5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet? yes
6: Did a pet shop recommend the food? no
7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food? no
8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food? no
9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food? no
If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.
1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use? Flint River Ranch
2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience? yes
3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand? yes
4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product? yes
5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food? yes
6: Do you use organic brands? yes
7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? no
8: Do you use a food with priobotics added? no
9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food? no
10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food? no
If your animal eats BARF or RAW
1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed? n/a
2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or ommercially farmed meats? n/a
3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared? n/a
4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed? n/a
5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? n/a
6: Do you add grains 2 the diet? n/a
7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet? n/a
8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet? no
9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet? no
10: Do you add supplements to the diet? no

Now 2 treats - When u give treats
1: Do you use commercial brands? yes
2: Do you make your own treats? no
3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat? no
For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone no
2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones no
3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones no


Food intolerant.

1: Does your pet have food intolerances? no
2: What food is your animal intolerant 2? none
3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself? n/a
4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon? n/a
5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance? n/a
6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food? n/a
Eg: upset stomach, Large amounts of faecal matter, skin, ears problems etc

1: What do you feed your pets?
all types of meats veggies and pasta products, if I cant make it myself and need to feed store baught stuff then the cats get science diet,
chicken, rice and veggies for the doggy

2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? 3x a day and a snack or 2 (they are very active)

3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it? no, cats were rescuses and the dog breeder fed Dad's but suggested Eukanuba (which we fed her untill she was a year old)

4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? no

5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet? yes like 3 years ago I was all into animal rights and didnt like what was in the food

6: Did a pet shop recommend the food? no

7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food? for the dog yes, said that it would help build up her bones (she broke her leg when she was 1)

8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food? yes as the critters are very food sencitive

9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food? yes


If you use a manufactured product/commercial foods.

1: If you use a manufactured product what brand do you use? Science diet, the only stuff that they can tolarate

2: Do you use manufactured products due to convenience? no

3: Do you use manufactured products as you trust the manufacturer/brand? no just the only stuff that has at least a bit better ingrediance than some others

4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product? yes

5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food? yes

6: Do you use organic brands? if I could find one that they could eat

7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? yes

8: Do you use a food with priobotics added? yes

9: Do you add priobotics 2 the food? if needed

10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food? no they take daily vitamins before bed





If your animal eats BARF or RAW

1: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what meats do you feed? mainly chicken some fish and some red meats for the cats and only chicken for the dog

2: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you use meats that are organic or commercially farmed meats? organic as long as I can get it

3: Are u concerned how the meat was reared? yes

4: If your animal eats BARF or RAW what vegetables /fruit do you feed?
a bit of everything, they pick and chose here and there of what they want.
they all love potatos and corn, strawberries and apples, the dog adores carrets

5: If your animal eats BARF or RAW do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? yes

6: Do you add grains 2 the diet? yes

7: Do you add the likes of pasta 2 the diet? they love eating and slinging around spagettie

8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet? yes just a little though

9: Do you add a priobotics 2 the animals diet? yes

10: Do you add supplements to the diet?
yes




Now 2 treats - When u give treats

1: Do you use commercial brands? vegitarian based treats

2: Do you make your own treats? yes

3: Do you give fruit/vegetables/meats as a treat? yes mainly the strawberries and apples


For cat and dog owners

1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone dog yea rawhide (she doesnt chew them alot) the cats like the nyla bones

2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones no

3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones no




Food intolerant.

1: Does your pet have food intolerances? big time

2: What food is your animal intolerant 2? any commercial foods besides Science diet

3: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by yourself? the dog no cats yes (they had the same problems as the dog)

4: Was the food intolerances diagnosed by a veterinary surgeon? after the dog was and we thought the cats did, we had them seen so yes

5: Has your animal been tested for food intolerance? yes

6: What symptoms does your animal have due 2 being sensitive to food?
skin problems, eye problems, vomiting, energy levels went way down
and they did this tongue thing where they rub it on the top of their mouths.

eraclito said:

I'll try 2 explain but im tired so u may not comprehend my rambling but i'll try, i never make sence when im tried...Here we goo

BHA - Butylated Hydroxyanilose is made frm the p-methoxyphenol and isobutene, BHT - Butylated Hydroxytolene synthetically prepared from p cresol and isobtylene it was developed initially as an antioxidant 4 use with petroleum and rubber products, BHT & BHA is usually used together cause BHT is a load cheeper. BHT has been found to cause cells to divide rapidly and it is not permitted in food for young children in the UK. Ethoxyquin is a rubber stabiliser its been used in pet food industry 4 years as a food antioxidant, they add it 2 meat oils, fats in their initial preparation before the ingredents reach the pet food manufacturer they use it as a cost effective preservtive of the igredients.

A lot of manufacturers use BHA, BHT and Ethoxyquin even those which state “no added BHA, BHT or Ethoxyquin” r still likely to have these chemicals in raw materials cause of the sources where they got the igredients from. I am unsure about other countrys yet thee law in the UK only requires manufacturers to declare materials added during the manufacturing process, so always ask where the igredients frm read labels. God ive rambled again I just know it ur falt my brain is shutting down now If the above dont come across right i'll re-write 2morrow when brain is in gear...

[edit 2 say]P.S im typo please excuse them im not fixing them cause i'll just make more.
[Edited 3/19/07 16:15pm]

meggy said:

Steller's been doing much better since she's been eating the food Alex brings for her. That man brings her better food than most humans ever get to eat. She's going to starve when he goes on tour.

1: What do you feed your pets? Flint River Ranch - cats & dogs


2: How many times a day do you feed your pet? morn and eve

3: Did you choose the food as the animal breeder recommended it? No

4: Was the food recommended by a friend/family member? No

5: Did you do a research on food/diets and decide on that product/diet? Yes

6: Did a pet shop recommend the food? No

7: Did your veterinary surgeon recommend the diet/food? No

8: Did your veterinary nurse recommend the diet/food? No

9: Did an animal nutritionist recommend the diet/food? No

4: Do you understand the food labelling of the product? Yes

5: Do you understand what exactly is in the food? Yes

6: Do you use organic brands? Yes

7: Do you worry that they receive the correct nutrients? Worry, No

10 : Do you add supplements to the complete food? No

8: Do you add Herbs 2 the diet? Yes

Now 2 treats - When u give treats a few times a day

1: Do you use commercial brands? No

2: Do you make your own treats? Yes

1: Do you give you dog/cat a bone Yes

2: Do you give your dog/cat cooked bones Yes

3: Do you give your dog/cat uncooked bones No

can somebody tell me whats the best thing to feed turtles? i want to get my son a box turtle, are they good pets?

Mach said:

brownsugar said:

personally, before u invest in an animal, you should research its requirements

what type of enviroment they will need, food, lifespan and most importantly
how big they will get and will u be able to accomadate it
for its natural born life.

pet stores are irresponsible and have been selling turtles for years to people
who are clearly unable to give them the care they really need.

eraclito said:

Excellent, now I didn't have to say that

Teacher said: