Well since everyone seems more concerned bout their pets diet than one's own enjoy the end result.

http://www.rotten.com/lib.../dog-shit/
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lazycrockett said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

i am sure if u look deep into it, i am to blame somewhere across the line

eraclito said:

Good afternoon eraclito, I hope ur having a good day

katt said:

hello sweetheart, i hope u are having a good mothers day

Katt, I noticed that whereas both Procter&Gamble's Iams and Eukanuba brands were mentioned in the first post but not in the lists you posted afterwards... do you know why that is? Only asking cos as most everybody knows I'm biased

Teacher said:

If you go 2 those website you will see the batch numbers that are being recalled for Iams and Eukanuba brands I believe they have a description on where 2 look on the Items, if you can not find contact me I was sent them by email last night and I’ll post them. The other foods are from the same manufacture plant so I suppose they have posted it different due to Iams and Eukanuba being a more recognised.

katt said:

Thanks! It was just semi-professional curiousity, I don't feed my cats ANY wet food, it's just water mostly anyway and I got that free in the tap

Teacher said:

I feed my kitty wet food she has no teeth I cant be dealing with watching her gum kibble to death

Nothing wrong with good quality wet food in my opinion. Wet/moist food is normally 75% moisture, dry food is below 5% water content due 2 the extrusion process, levels of ingredients declared in moist food include the moisture content. What does count is good quality proteins, saying that proteins can become a problem 2 healthy animals if fed 2 excess or if the protein itself is of atype that is not readily digested by a healthy digestive system. The extrusion process that is used in the manufacture of some dry foods can denature and change the original protein this can result in lower digestibility, large amount of feacal matter and can cause increase allergy reactions. Have you ever wondered why vets prescribe Wet/moist food when a animal is ill, after surgery and during convalescence, the reason why this is done is due to the easy digest of wet/moist food less likely to upset the digestive system.

Please do not take my comments above as if I am against dry food I am sure we all know there is good and bad animal foods on the market be it dry or wt/moist. We as the purchaser/consumer just need to read the labels more for our own food and our pets and try and educate ourselves more on nutrient contents and seek information from manufactures and those in the health profession..

Back 2 my kitty have u ever seen a cat attempt 2 eat dry food with no teeth my lord I I should not laugh but it is hysterical She is 22 this year and still healthy

More info on recalled pet food
Hill’s Pet Nutrition, Inc., Announces Voluntary Participation in Menu Foods’ Nationwide U.S. recall of Specific Canned Cat Foods.
Link: http://www.hillspet.com/m..._en_US.htm

Topeka, KS (March 17, 2007) – In response to the recent Menu Foods, Inc. nationwide recall of wet pet foods, Hill’s® Pet Nutrition, Inc. has announced a voluntary precautionary recall in the United States of a very small number of canned cat products that are co-manufactured by Menu.
This recall only affects Science Diet Feline Savory Cuts canned products in the United States.
Hill’s is voluntarily recalling the following products:

1. Science Diet® Kitten Savory Cuts® Ocean Fish 3 oz. and 5.5 oz.
2. Science Diet® Feline Adult Savory Cuts® Beef 5.5 oz.
3. Science Diet® Feline Adult Savory Cuts® Chicken 5.5 oz.
4. Science Diet® Feline Adult Savory Cuts® Ocean Fish 5.5 oz.
5. Science Diet® Feline Senior Savory Cuts® Chicken 5.5 oz.

No other Hill’s products are affected by this recall.
Hill’s Pet Nutrition, Inc., is taking this precautionary step to protect the health and well being of your pets. Hill’s has received no reported cases of illness. Consumers of other pet food brands manufactured by Menu Foods have reported a small number of cases of cats becoming ill with loss of appetite, vomiting, and lethargy which are potential signs of kidney failure.
This voluntary product recall involves discontinuation of all retail sales and product retrieval from consumers. Consumers should stop using the affected products immediately. Consult with a veterinarian if any symptoms are present in your pet. All Science Diet products carry a 100 percent guarantee, and consumers can receive a refund for recalled products. For more information, consumers can contact the company at 1-800-445-5777 or visit www.HillsPet.com for details.
Hill’s is recalling the following product codes. Product codes can be found at the bottom of the can. Only relevant code numbers have been listed (‘X’s indicate irrelevant numbers).

1. . BESTBEFORE 09 2008
M06XXXXX 4414 5. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M28XXXXX 4603
2. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M28XXXXX 4416 6. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M25XXXXX 4457
3. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M28XXXXX 4415 7. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M28XXXXX 4414
4. . BESTBEFORE 08 2008
M28XXXXX 4601

Hill’s Pet Nutrition, Inc., has informed the Food and Drug Administration on this issue. The company regrets any inconvenience to its consumers, retail customers and veterinarians.

More Info Now about Dog Food

Purina to voluntarily withdraw Mighty Dog® 5.3 ounce pouch products in response to Menu Foods recall
No other Purina products affected
St. Louis, Missouri, March 16, 2007
Link: http://www.purina.com/com...tyDog.aspxNestlé

Purina PetCare Company today announced that as a precautionary measure, it is voluntarily withdrawing its 5.3 ounce Mighty Dog® brand pouch products that were produced by Menu Foods, Inc. from December 3, 2006 through March 14, 2007. This withdrawal is in response to the recall initiated earlier today by Menu Foods, a contract manufacturer that does limited business with Purina as well as with other pet food manufacturers. Only Mighty Dog 5.3 ounce pouch products are being withdrawn by Nestlé Purina, including those pouches contained in multi-packs. Importantly, no Mighty Dog canned products, or any other Purina products are affected by Menu’s recall.

While Purina has no indication of any product quality or safety issues specifically related to our Mighty Dog pouch products, Purina is taking this proactive action out of an abundance of caution in response to the Menu Foods recall.

Consumers who have the indicated Mighty Dog 5.3 ounce pouch products should discontinue feeding them to their dogs and can receive the full replacement value of the withdrawn products by calling 1-800-551-7392.

The Mighty Dog pouch products and pouches in multi-pack cartons have code dates of 6337 through 7073, followed by the plant code 1798. This information should be checked on the bottom or back panel of the individual pouches. Specifically, if the code following the “Use By” date begins with four numbers from 6337 to 7073 followed by the plant code 1798, then the pouch is included in this voluntary withdrawal.

Purina regrets any inconvenience and apologizes for any concern caused by this product withdrawal. The Company will continue to take any and all actions necessary to ensure the quality and safety of our products.

Jen check ur Iams/Eukanuba brand is not an imported one, I have just received an email about imported brands also being recalled.

Everyone in Europe if ur pet eats the Iams/Eukanuba brand check ur brand 2 see if its imported.....


[edit due 2 being typo ]
[Edited 3/19/07 9:51am]

FDA focuses on wheat gluten as contaminant in massive pet food recall
By Michael D. Sorkin
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/20/2007
Link: http://www.stltoday.com/s...enDocument

As animal doctors complained of a lack of information for pet owners, government investigators focused Monday on wheat gluten as the likely source of contamination that set off a nationwide recall of 60 million cans and pouches of dog and cat food.

Wheat gluten is what holds pet kibble together and keeps it from disintegrating into a powdery mess. Many foods for people, such as bread, also contain it.

A Kansas supplier is believed to be the source for the contamination that has killed nine cats and one dog, officials at the Food and Drug Administration said.

The government wouldn't publicly identify the supplier yet, only that it shipped products to Menu Foods, a manufacturer based in Ontario, Canada.

Menu Foods issued a recall over the weekend that now totals 51 brands of dog food and 40 brands of cat food. They range from store brand labels sold at supermarkets, including Schnucks, to leading premium brands such as Iams, Eukanuba and Nutro.

Menu Foods has recall information at menufoods.com/recall and at 1-866-895-2708. Worried pet owners have swamped the lines.

As to whether people are at risk, investigators say they are trying to find out who else got shipments from the Kansas supplier.

Investigators say they don't know for sure, but "we don't believe they supplied to any human product companies," said Dr. Stephen Sundlof, the FDA's top veterinarian.

FDA officials said they were told that all 10 animals died of kidney failure. The symptoms included lethargy, loss of appetite and vomiting.

Pets with those symptoms should immediately be taken to a veterinarian, the FDA said.


Many other questions remain unanswered, the FDA said. Officials said they have not yet tallied the number of cats and dogs whose owners have called the FDA to report symptoms of kidney failure.

The lack of detailed information drew complaints from veterinary experts.

"I gotta believe that they know more than what they are saying," Dr. Paul Pion said of Menu Foods. Pion is president and co-founder of the Veterinary Information Network, an online source for animal doctors and students.

"We need full disclosure if we are going to figure this out. We got to get the company to give out the history of what was needed for the recall."

An FDA spokeswoman said she did not know whether the company was cooperating. The chief executive officer at Menu Foods and company spokespeople did not return calls seeking comment.

In Urbana, Ill., Dr. Steve Hansen, executive director of the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center, said the center's 25 veterinarians were busy fielding calls from worried pet owners.

"Everybody, including us, is trying to figure out what the cause is," he said.

Said Dr. Jeff Vemmer of the St. Louis Animal Emergency Clinic on Big Bend Boulevard in Kirkwood, "There truly is not a lot of information out yet."

Unlike many veterinarians, Dr. Ava Frick recommends foods that are free of wheat gluten altogether. She says the product isn't good for pets or people. Frick operates a holistic practice in Union.

"It interferes with your intestinal tract doing its best job," she says of wheat gluten.

For the latest information and a complete list of recalled foods, see the FDA website at: http://www.fda.gov/bbs/to...01590.html

Key dates in the recall

Feb. 20: Menu Foods, an Ontario, Canada-based manufacturer of pet foods, receives the first of six complaints from consumers about cats with symptoms of renal failure.

Feb. 27: Menu Foods begins taste-testing of its products.

March 2: Some animals in the taste test develop symptoms. Ultimately, at least seven of them die.

March 15: Menu Foods notifies the FDA.

March 16: FDA investigators arrive at Menu Foods headquarters, and company announces recall is coming.

March 17: Menu Foods releases brands in the recall.

Source: Food and Drug Administration

The are unsure at this time if any has went into human food chain


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[Edited 3/20/07 11:11am]

katt said:

and @ your kitty, she'd like starve to death before she got any nutrition in her system if she had dry food

I don't like MOST wet foods as it's based on sugar, water and bi-products but that only pertains to the low price shit sold in the supermarket, I HATE THOSE and people think they're giving their cat everything it needs when it's between 79 and 87% water The better brands like Hill's, Eukanuba, Nutro etc etc etc are way better but I feel like it's unnecessary to feed Uzie wet food since she still has teeth



Oh, and concerning my pet foods... gotta check, we get it from factories in Holland and Belgium. Thanks a million for mentioning it, gonna go look now
[Edited 3/20/07 11:46am]

Teacher said:

I just get the emails all seem correct so far so I thought I better warn ppl - always best being safe that sorry


I wonder do they have false teeth for cats

eraclito said:

There are loads of vegitarian based diets for dogs that are perfectly fine to feed them as long as they are getting all the vitaminans, minarals and protines that they would from eating meats, I fed my Steller a vegitarian diet for almost a year (after she had a deadly reaction to meat) before adding a bit of boiled chicken to it, It all depends on the dogs needs, Shes allergic to most meats and would get serverly sick (again) if she was to eat much of anything other than boiled chicken.

More information for the USA from Cornell University Animal Health Diagnostic Center (AHDC) they still do not know what has caused the problem.
Link it is a pdf file: http://www.diaglab.vet.co...Recall.pdf

Rat Poison Found In Tainted Pet Food
Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/st...0615.shtml
CBS/AP) Rodent poison has been found in pet food blamed for the deaths of at least 16 cats and dogs, a spokeswoman for the State Department of Agriculture and Markets said Friday.

Spokeswoman Jessica Chittenden would not identify the chemical or its source beyond saying it was a rodent poison.

State agriculture officials and Cornell University's Animal Health Diagnostic Center scheduled a news conference Friday afternoon to release laboratory findings from tests on the pet food conducted this week.

Neither agency would identify the poison, but one report identified it as aminopterin, which inhibits the growth of malignant cells and is used as a cancer drug. It also suppresses the immune system. In high doses, the chemical is highly toxic.

It is used to kill rats in some countries but is not registered for that use in the United States, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

The deaths led to a recall of 60 million cans and pouches of pet food produced by Menu Foods and sold throughout North America under 95 brand names. There have been reports of kidney failure, some fatal, in pets that ate the recalled brands. The company has confirmed the deaths of 15 cats and one dog.

Menu Foods last week recalled "cuts and gravy" style dog and cat food. The recall sparked concern among pet owners across North America. It includes food sold under store brands carried by Wal-Mart, Kroger, Safeway and other large retailers, as well as private labels such as Iams, Nutro and Eukanuba.

A complete list of the recalled products along with product codes, descriptions and production dates was available from the Menu Foods Web site.

The recall has led to at least three lawsuits against Menu Foods from pet owners who allege their animals got sick or died after eating recalled food.

Mourning turned to outrage after owners learned that Menu Foods waited nearly a month before notifying the public, reports CBS News The Early Show veterinarian Dr. Debbye Turner. This means that unsuspecting owners were poisoning their pets.

"To find out they knew about this weeks ago, and that the cats they tested died!" former cat owner Dawn Marjerczyk told CBS. Marjerczyk's cat died after eating some of the tainted cat food. "Why wasn't it pulled off then? Why do so many people have to suffer right now?"

The company's chief executive and president said Menu Foods delayed announcing the recall until it could confirm that the animals had eaten its product before dying. Two earlier complaints from consumers whose cats had died involved animals that lived outside or had access to a garage, which left open the possibility they had been poisoned by something other than contaminated food, he said.

Wheat gluten itself would not cause kidney failure, but the common ingredient could have been contaminated by heavy metals or mold toxins, the FDA said.

"It's a loss that goes beyond belief," agreed Frederick Bobb, of Merrick, N.Y., whose 2-year-old bull mastiff, Princess, died of kidney failure on March 10. Bobb said his dog had eaten Nutro, one of the recalled dog food brands, all her life.

Bobb's attorney, Kenneth Mollins, said he had filed a lawsuit against Nutro and Menu Foods in state Supreme Court in Nassau County seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages.

Atlanta veterinarian Will Draper received so many calls and e-mails about the recall that he drafted a newsletter on it and e-mailed his customers.

"That helped tremendously," Draper said. "It has calmed clients."

Nearly 100 brands of the "cuts and gravy" style food have been recalled by Menu Foods, including popular labels sold at Wal-Mart, Kroger and other large retailers.

Veterinarians are directing most questions to the Food and Drug Administration's recall Web site. Some have agreed to run blood tests on pets, even though many of the animals have not consumed any of the recalled brands.

Pet owners with animals showing symptoms such as vomiting, lethargy and extreme thirst are being told to bring them in for immediate examination.

"The recall is huge. It's unprecedented, and people are seeing their dog food is on the list and picking up the phone, wondering if there's anything they can do or what to do," said Tim Hackett, who runs a small-animal clinic at Colorado State University in Fort Collins. "Fortunately, most of these animals are absolutely fine."

Julie Benesh of Chicago brought her cat, Truffle, to a vet's office Wednesday after realizing the animal had eaten some of the contaminated food. The cat was lethargic and had been drinking an unusual amount of water.

"That's my baby," Benesh said of the black-and-white cat she's had since the animal was a kitten. "We've been through a lot together."

The Animal Medical Center on the East Side of Manhattan has tested 143 animals for renal failure since Saturday. Of those, 10 were confirmed to be diet-related cases, and one cat died.

Man Vets are making $$$$ on this.

Woman And Pet Hospitalized After Eating Contaminated Pet Food

Link: http://www.allheadlinenew...7006880954

IrresistibleB1tch said:

we can only hope, but this is capitalism we are talking about here,
seriously doubt it, dont u...

eraclito said:

you're preaching to the choir here about the evils of capitalism, but i'm also an eternal optimist.

eraclito said:

A lawsuit has been taken out against Royal Canin in Canada due 2 harmful levels of vitamin D3. This is normally a vet prescrition food in the UK.
Link 2 read more: http://www.guelphmercury....0421501473
Link 2 read more: http://www.cnw.ca/fr/rele...c5073.html
Also menu food has taken more foods of the market this week and new reports are saying the food Pedigree may have problems 2, Personally I am rather concerned this could happen in the UK, I hope Defra have tighter controls & safety regulations here.

ach, i tried switching my cat from science diet to iams because i thought it was good stuff and it was easier for me to get at the local supermarket, but it just wound up making my kitty even pukier than he usually gets. then i read stories about the nasty animal experiments iams does, and i was totally turned off, and now i will walk that extra distance to get my cat science diet...which may not be the BEST kitty food ever, but my cat likes it and it doesn't make him sick and that's the important thing until i can find the magic perfect pet food for him.