HereToRockYourWorld said:

i do know that you are condascending, it seems the majority of pet owners here
prepare their dog food like i do and opt not to buy branded processed food
which was the point i was originally making

which was most processed foods are garbage, even if a vet recommends it or not.

katt said:

OF COURSE it wasn't directed at you Katt I know you know what you're doing, the Vit D thing is general and I highly doubt Eraclito has spent the money to have blood tests taken to evaluate vitamine levels

eraclito said:

The 80s is when I had my dog
Our dog had the garden to play in, fields to roam in and wasnt cooped up all day.. she had freedom and a great life and an excellent diet, so whether AT THE TIME she had a choke collar is irrelevant cos as I say it was hardly ever used and in those days, thats just how it was..

AnotherLoverToo said:

now i like the sound of this, zero grain is the key, the majority of pet foods is mostly grain,
which is what concerns me the most.

i am glad your babies dig it

eraclito said:

It's not the collar, it's who holds it in the other end...

eraclito said:

It wasnt flippant, but who are you to say what is best?>

Teacher said:

making assumptions does not make u right, i measure out and prepare all foods and supplements i give my animals, including their treats

you are not being clever by pointing out the detrimental effect of vitamin a, this is common knowledge for both cats and dogs, i failed to see your point apart from trying to pick an issue to make yourself seem right..

which is very petty

Teacher said:

so u use choker collars?

eraclito said:

WTF it isnt about them wearing them its how they are used.. and they are not banned like you say..

REDFEATHERS said:

in english please..

eraclito said:

like recognise like

eraclito said:

You bet your ass, all of the ummm minute my dog's on a leash every day, most days she's not on it at all. The other 4 hours we're out IN THE WOODS she's off the leash roaming free within sight. Where do you walk your dog and how many times is it off the leash every day? Is your dog obedient enough to be off the leash walking by your side so good the police won't say anything? Is it obedient enough to sit OFF THE LEASH outside the grocery store when you go shopping? I'd love to hear about the last time you did tracking practice with your dog, or obedience work OFF THE LEASH with disturbance like dogs walking past, birds sitting close by, a daycare group running around or maybe a deer or two standing a few feet off? What's that, your dog's never seen a deer? Weird, I'd NEVER have a dog and live in the city.

Teacher said:

erm first off, answer the question

do u put a choker collar on your dog

secondly, where did u get the idea that i live in the city. i have two houses in fact, both surrounded by land. my dog has its own fenced enclosure and i live within walking distance of two county parks and epping forest is at the top of my street.

from what i understand, you live in a small apartment, with dog and two cats. you are not in a position to even try and judge me.

and for the record i use a step through harness when i take my dog for a walk and a long lead. i even put a muzzle on him when we are walking in populated areas, not because he is dangerous, just not to scare regular people. yes he walks beside me when he is off the leash and returns when i call him.

why have a dog if you are not going to spend time training him, he also sits, gives his paw and waits until i allow him to eat.

REDFEATHERS said:

Our poochies are happy, healthy, and never sick. Hubby grew up on a farm with pigs, cows, horses, etc and has a PhD in bio-chemistry. We'd know better than to feed them food that made them ill.

xplnyrslf said:

which is my point entirely, which is why i would never feed my animals processed dog food, which was the point i was making originally.

eraclito said:

Muzzle? Why would people be scared of him if he's not dangerous? AND YES I USE A CHOKE COLLAR, "you bet your ass" would have told you that. Fenced in area, that's so sweet of you... just like keeping your dog in the back yard, I hate that too. How small is my apartment did you say? You been here? It's not about the dog or the equipment you use, it's about the owner. So you cannot win cos you're the owner.

Edit: Harness and muzzle means you have a pitbull, staffordshire bullterrier or american bullterrier... dog fighting people use that equipment too, so if it's about equipment maybe you'd like to reconsider unless you think it's cool to fight dogs
[Edited 3/17/07 18:14pm]

katt said:

Why does this just effect people with 4 pets? Surely if you have 1 animal you would be effected?

fathermcmeekle said:

As well as you, since all you can afford is bad pet food

Teacher said:

jen i dont believe for a moment you use a choker collar on your dog
dont bite your nose off to spite your face
i also actually dont believe people who fight dogs would put a muzzle on them
how would a muzzled dog fight effectively
plus i do not believe that people that fight dogs would use a step through harness
i assume you know what a step through harness is and why one would use it.
so please keep this debate on point, my dog is in fact an american staffordshire terrier
which is a separate breed from a bit pull, american bull dog and staffordshire terrier.

it is a very imposing looking animal and can look intimidating, which is why i keep it muzzled, to give people more confidence when we are walking through built up areas,

its as simple as that

This certainly looks much more painful to wear than a big ass step in harness doesn't it?

Teacher said:

does that fit over her big fuckin head?

AmStaff imposing?? PUHLEASE, they're a dime a dozen here and nobody cares Imposing is a hugeass Great Dane or an Irish Wolf hound, maybe a Cane Corso or a Dogo Argentino. Not a small AmStaff, they just look and sound like pigs

So let me get this straight... checked the forums and you say you kick your dog but using a choke collar is cruel?

Last on this thread, don't call me Jen unless you're a friend and you'll never be that.

Teacher said:

if it controls your animal by strangulation, then i can not accept that as a humane method of control.

and step in harnesses are not big

IAintTheOne said:

Pfffft, you just looked in the mirror when you wrote that

eraclito said:

What part of "she's on the leash one minute a day" don't you understand? How does it choke her of she's off the leash and how does it choke her if she doesn't pull on the leash? Answer that and I'll agree with you.

I return and ur at it again but on another subject!! stop it!!

Yeah, this thread is a good example of how parents of both kids and animals often feel like they're doing the best thing for their babies, and how sensitive we can all be to perceived criticism of our parenting.

One thing I can tell about everyone here is that they really love their furry babies and want the best for them. They just may go about doing it differently. I guess we should each do some research and try to be open to new information...

katt said:

You are absolutely right. I apologise Katt. I won't say a word more.

katt said:

aww katt you are cute.. where is my orgnote?

AnotherLoverToo said:

i agree totally carrie, i try to always look out for better ways and correct mistakes
i enjoy their company, and want them to be happy too.
i just dont understand why some people are so closed to new ideas..