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4 pet owners I have just been sent this thought i would post it just in-case ppl who own pets do not know of this problem.
60 million containers of pet food recalled Eukanuba, Iams and store brands tied to kidney failure, deaths Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/ Updated: 5:03 a.m. ET March 17, 2007 WASHINGTON - A major manufacturer of dog and cat food sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store brands recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food Friday after reports of kidney failure and deaths. An unknown number of cats and dogs suffered kidney failure and about 10 died after eating the affected pet food, Menu Foods said in announcing the North American recall. Product testing has not revealed a link explaining the reported cases of illness and death, the company said. “At this juncture, we’re not 100 percent sure what’s happened,” said Paul Henderson, the company’s president and chief executive officer. However, the recalled products were made using wheat gluten purchased from a new supplier, since dropped for another source, spokeswoman Sarah Tuite said. Wheat gluten is a source of protein. The recall covers the company’s “cuts and gravy” style food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, sold in cans and small foil pouches between Dec. 3 and March 6 throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico. The pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger Co., Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and PetSmart Inc., among others, Henderson said. Menu Foods did not immediately provide a full list of brand names and lot numbers covered by the recall, saying they would be posted on its Web site — www.menufoods.com/recall — early Saturday. Consumers with questions can call (866) 463-6738. Repeated calls to that number over several hours Friday night got only a busy signal. Attempts to reach a company spokeswoman for an explanation were unsuccessful. The company said it manufacturers for 17 of the top 20 North American retailers. It is also a contract manufacturer for the top branded pet food companies, including Procter & Gamble Co. P&G announced Friday the recall of specific 3 oz., 5.5 oz., 6 oz. and 13.2 oz. canned and 3 oz. and 5.3 oz. foil pouch cat and dog wet food products made by Menu Foods but sold under the Iams and Eukanuba brands. The recalled products bear the code dates of 6339 through 7073 followed by the plant code 4197, P&G said. Menu Foods’ three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The recall covers pet food made at company plants in Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said. Henderson said the company received an undisclosed number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney failure in dogs and cats after they had been fed its products. It has tested its products but not found a cause for the sickness. “To date, the tests have not indicated any problems with the product,” Henderson said. The company alerted the Food and Drug Administration, which already has inspectors in one of the two plants, Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand names covered by the recall, agency spokesman Mike Herndon said. Menu Foods is majority owned by the Menu Foods Income Fund, based in Ontario, Canada. Henderson said the recall would cost the company the Canadian equivalent of $26 million to $34 million. | |
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Thanks..for posting, I wouldn't have seen this otherwise, as a one who dearly loves my cats Pepper and Sadie. I would feel terrible if something was to happen to them... Because of God..we 2 r 1~~Darren & Suzyn forever
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damn katt.. thats bad.. 
just off topic.. how did Noodles get on yesterday?   | |
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I heard about this- thanks though - I am going to email my friends with pets now. I do not use canned or Eukanuba products but it is still good to know and pass on. | |
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thanks for the information! on the news this morning they only mentioned a couple of brands, but looking at the list, it's shocking how many brands are involved (including what i'm feeding my dogs). | |
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i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. I never heard of this. Its kinda like The Makers Diet for humans.  GIT THAT CORN OUTTA MY FACE!!! | |
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 Thanks for posting this, katt. I think I may have purchased Iams cat food at Walmart in the past, but I'm not going to anymore. How awful that so many animals have died because of it.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Ribbed4UrPleasure said: eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. I never heard of this. Its kinda like The Makers Diet for humans. humans are not carnivores are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: Ribbed4UrPleasure said: I never heard of this. Its kinda like The Makers Diet for humans. humans are not carnivores read the makers diet. GIT THAT CORN OUTTA MY FACE!!! | |
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Ribbed4UrPleasure said: eraclito said: humans are not carnivores read the makers diet. k are you ready for submission
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REDFEATHERS said: damn katt.. thats bad..
just off topic.. how did Noodles get on yesterday? Very well he made £2043.91 we rounded it up then doubled it so the poopmister made a grand total of £4100. for comic releif
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eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. my dog is fed semi-barf (fish protein only due 2 allergys) the comercial food he has a holistic made frm human grade food cost a small fortune mind u. do u feed 70% meat 30% veg & herbs or just 100% meat? | |
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If I receive any more info I'll keep ur updated.
Link: http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/...03_07.html Recall -- Firm Press Release FDA posts press releases and other notices of recalls and market withdrawals from the firms involved as a service to consumers, the media, and other interested parties. FDA does not endorse either the product or the company. P&G Pet Care Announces Voluntary Participation in Menu Foods' Nationwide U.S. and Canadian Recall of Specific Canned and Small Foil Pouch 'Wet' Cat and Dog Foods Contact: Kurt Weingand, D.V.M., Ph.D. 937-264-7676 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- Dayton, OH -- March 16, 2007 -- In response to the recent Menu Foods, Inc. nationwide recall of wet pet foods, P&G Pet Care has announced a voluntary recall in the United States and Canada on specific 3 oz., 5.5 oz., 6 oz. and 13.2 oz. canned and 3 oz. and 5.3 oz. foil pouch "wet" cat and dog food products manufactured by Menu Foods Inc. Emporia, Kansas plant with the code dates of 6339 through 7073 followed by the plant code 4197. This voluntary recall is part of a larger product recall by Menu Foods Inc., a contract manufacturer that makes a small portion of canned and foil pouch 'wet' cat foods for Iams and Eukanuba as well as other non-P&G brands. There have been a small number of reported cases of cats from the US (none in Canada) becoming sick and developing signs of kidney failure. The signs of kidney failure include loss of appetite, vomiting, and lethargy. P&G Pet Care has received no case reports involving dogs. This voluntary product recall involves discontinuation of all retail sales and product retrieval from consumers. Consumers should stop using the affected products immediately, and consult with a veterinarian if any symptoms are present in their pet. All Iams and Eukanuba products carry a 100 percent guarantee, and consumers can receive a refund for recalled products. For more information, consumers can contact the company at 1-800-882-1591 or visit www.Iams.com and www.Eukanuba.com for details. To read can product codes, refer to the bottom of the can. The first four numbers of the second line of numbers are the date code, and the following four numbers indicate the plant code. For example, if the second line begins with four numbers from 6339 to 7073 followed by the plant code 4197, then the can should be recalled. For foil pouches, the code numbers are located at the lower left hand corner on the back of the pouch. The date and plant codes appear in the third group of numbers, beginning an 11-digit sequence. See www.Iams.com and www.Eukanuba.com for illustrated details. P&G Pet Care is taking this proactive step out of an abundance of caution, because the health and well-being of pets is paramount in the mission of Iams and Eukanuba. Tests of some affected product have not revealed the cause of sickness, and testing will continue until a better understanding of the facts has been achieved. All other canned and small foil wet pouch products produced at other plants are not affected by this issue. Iams and Eukanuba "dry" products are not manufactured at Menu Foods and not affected by this issue. Iams and Eukanuba biscuits, treats and sauces are not affected by this issue. P&G Pet Care has informed the Food and Drug Administration and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency on this issue. The company regrets any inconvenience to its consumers and retail customers. | |
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eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. Cats are carnivores. Dogs are not. They are omnivores. Most of them will do best on a diet that is primarily meat, but they should not be fed a 100% meat diet. Making a truly balanced homemade diet is tough. They should at least be rotated, so if you're missing something important with one recipe you have a shot at making it up with the next. And there is NO advantage to feeding it raw, unless the possibility of foodborne illness excites you. If dogs in "nature" (those packs of wild Golden Retrievers, you know  ) knew how to use stoves, they would.
And, dogs fed homemade diets don't seem to live in any longer, on average. Take that for what it's worth. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. Cats are carnivores. Dogs are not. They are omnivores. Most of them will do best on a diet that is primarily meat, but they should not be fed a 100% meat diet. Making a truly balanced homemade diet is tough. They should at least be rotated, so if you're missing something important with one recipe you have a shot at making it up with the next. And there is NO advantage to feeding it raw, unless the possibility of foodborne illness excites you. If dogs in "nature" (those packs of wild Golden Retrievers, you know ) knew how to use stoves, they would.
And, dogs fed homemade diets don't seem to live in any longer, on average. Take that for what it's worth. A recent study by Two leading vets in Belgium Dr Gérard Lippert and Dr Bruno Sapy regarding the life span of dogs fed on processed food compared to those fed on a home-made diet shows how dogs fed on table scraps live longer than those fed on processed food. It shows Dogs fed industrial food lived an average 10.4 years. Dogs fed home made food lived an average 13.1 years. One large Dog food manufacture has attempted to block the report in court but failed. As for my noodles case in dogs who have high allergies it has been proven by research and the advice given by the RCVS that given either RAW or Cooked meat as they are better quality proteins and enzyme rich foods by doing so it helps lessen the reactions. It did concern me that the poopmister would not get enough nutrients but I’m blessed as I can afford to employ the best vets and animal nutritionists for my dog, I personally do not think I would go down that route with not having highly qualified veterinary help. | |
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katt said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Cats are carnivores. Dogs are not. They are omnivores. Most of them will do best on a diet that is primarily meat, but they should not be fed a 100% meat diet. Making a truly balanced homemade diet is tough. They should at least be rotated, so if you're missing something important with one recipe you have a shot at making it up with the next. And there is NO advantage to feeding it raw, unless the possibility of foodborne illness excites you. If dogs in "nature" (those packs of wild Golden Retrievers, you know ) knew how to use stoves, they would.
And, dogs fed homemade diets don't seem to live in any longer, on average. Take that for what it's worth. A recent study by Two leading vets in Belgium Dr Gérard Lippert and Dr Bruno Sapy regarding the life span of dogs fed on processed food compared to those fed on a home-made diet shows how dogs fed on table scraps live longer than those fed on processed food. It shows Dogs fed industrial food lived an average 10.4 years. Dogs fed home made food lived an average 13.1 years. One large Dog food manufacture has attempted to block the report in court but failed. As for my noodles case in dogs who have high allergies it has been proven by research and the advice given by the RCVS that given either RAW or Cooked meat as they are better quality proteins and enzyme rich foods by doing so it helps lessen the reactions. It did concern me that the poopmister would not get enough nutrients but I’m blessed as I can afford to employ the best vets and animal nutritionists for my dog, I personally do not think I would go down that route with not having highly qualified veterinary help. Got a link to the study? When we digest food, we break down the proteins into amino acids. Having them in a more-difficult-to-digest form to begin with is not an advantage. As for enzymes, unless they are enzymes that have specifically evolved to live in an extremely acidic environment (which muscle tissue is not), they are denatured immediately by stomach acid. Any conceivable benefits to feeding raw are outweighed by the risk of foodborne illness. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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katt said: eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. my dog is fed semi-barf (fish protein only due 2 allergys) the comercial food he has a holistic made frm human grade food cost a small fortune mind u. do u feed 70% meat 30% veg & herbs or just 100% meat? 70% meat 30% veg shit i dont wanna block the mutt up... are you ready for submission
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HereToRockYourWorld said: eraclito said: i would never consider feeding my dog any branded prepared dog food, dry or wet
apart from the quality of meat being suspect, the whole pet food industry is controlled by multi national companies who have no care for the animals they are trying to sell their food too. i feed my dog on the BARF diet and he seems very happy on it, drinks less water and is fitter and stronger than all my friends dogs who are fed on branded complete dog foods. dogs are carnivores, they primarily eat meat, preferably raw. Cats are carnivores. Dogs are not. They are omnivores. Most of them will do best on a diet that is primarily meat, but they should not be fed a 100% meat diet. Making a truly balanced homemade diet is tough. They should at least be rotated, so if you're missing something important with one recipe you have a shot at making it up with the next. And there is NO advantage to feeding it raw, unless the possibility of foodborne illness excites you. If dogs in "nature" (those packs of wild Golden Retrievers, you know ) knew how to use stoves, they would.
And, dogs fed homemade diets don't seem to live in any longer, on average. Take that for what it's worth. incorrect i am afraid, dogs are carnivores show me a wolf that eats wheat and shit and i will listen to you all you have to do is look at their teeth... dogs are not susceptible to the same foodborne illnesses as humans, i know you work for a vetinarian unfortunately all one has to do is look around any Vet reception area they make their money peddling supposed scientific pet foods.. i should add that i feed my dog a variety of liquidised vegetables. carnivores eat some vegetables too, it is not so clear cut but dogs shouldnt be eating cereals which one finds in a lot of dog foods. editttted [Edited 3/17/07 10:19am] are you ready for submission
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HereToRockYourWorld said: katt said: A recent study by Two leading vets in Belgium Dr Gérard Lippert and Dr Bruno Sapy regarding the life span of dogs fed on processed food compared to those fed on a home-made diet shows how dogs fed on table scraps live longer than those fed on processed food. It shows Dogs fed industrial food lived an average 10.4 years. Dogs fed home made food lived an average 13.1 years. One large Dog food manufacture has attempted to block the report in court but failed. As for my noodles case in dogs who have high allergies it has been proven by research and the advice given by the RCVS that given either RAW or Cooked meat as they are better quality proteins and enzyme rich foods by doing so it helps lessen the reactions. It did concern me that the poopmister would not get enough nutrients but I’m blessed as I can afford to employ the best vets and animal nutritionists for my dog, I personally do not think I would go down that route with not having highly qualified veterinary help. Got a link to the study? When we digest food, we break down the proteins into amino acids. Having them in a more-difficult-to-digest form to begin with is not an advantage. As for enzymes, unless they are enzymes that have specifically evolved to live in an extremely acidic environment (which muscle tissue is not), they are denatured immediately by stomach acid. Any conceivable benefits to feeding raw are outweighed by the risk of foodborne illness. I believe it's available online: La malbouffe ou la vie, enquete sur la degradation de l'état de sante de nos chiens, ISBN 2874340324 I do have a english translation on my laptop that was sent to me by my vet it is in a pdf file I can send u that if u want, I personaly do not beleive in what ppl say without proof this is why I always ask for proof. | |
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eraclito said: katt said: my dog is fed semi-barf (fish protein only due 2 allergys) the comercial food he has a holistic made frm human grade food cost a small fortune mind u. do u feed 70% meat 30% veg & herbs or just 100% meat? 70% meat 30% veg shit i dont wanna block the mutt up... | |
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katt said: eraclito said: 70% meat 30% veg shit i dont wanna block the mutt up... he gets 750 grams of assorted piece of meat, including raw chicken and offal and 250 grams of liquidised vegetables over the period of the day. i dont feed him pork, and not all vegetables are suitable for dogs [Edited 3/17/07 10:27am] are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: katt said: he gets 750 grams of assorted piece of meat, including raw chicken and offal and 250 grams of liquidised vegetables over the period of the day. i dont feed him pork, and not all vegetables are suitable for dogs [Edited 3/17/07 10:27am] Wish i could feed him other meat, he can only eat fish proteins but not salmon. He has 300grms of fish (holistic comercial food) 50 grms of fish today is is his fav Tuna and 20grms of veg and 10ml of herbs, 5ml kelp seaweed, 10 drops of halibut liver oil, 1 caps royal jelly. | |
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katt said: eraclito said: he gets 750 grams of assorted piece of meat, including raw chicken and offal and 250 grams of liquidised vegetables over the period of the day. i dont feed him pork, and not all vegetables are suitable for dogs [Edited 3/17/07 10:27am] Wish i could feed him other meat, he can only eat fish proteins but not salmon. He has 300grms of fish (holistic comercial food) 50 grms of fish today is is his fav Tuna and 20grms of veg and 10ml of herbs, 5ml kelp seaweed, 10 drops of halibut liver oil, 1 caps royal jelly. my dog ate trout today but wont touch tuna, i douse one of his meals in cod liver oil but wow your dog eats better than me are you ready for submission
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eraclito said: katt said: Wish i could feed him other meat, he can only eat fish proteins but not salmon. He has 300grms of fish (holistic comercial food) 50 grms of fish today is is his fav Tuna and 20grms of veg and 10ml of herbs, 5ml kelp seaweed, 10 drops of halibut liver oil, 1 caps royal jelly. my dog ate trout today but wont touch tuna, i douse one of his meals in cod liver oil but wow your dog eats better than me we say that 2. he loves tuna and prawns we can get him 2 do whatever we want just with one wiff of them and he's anyones.
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eraclito said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Cats are carnivores. Dogs are not. They are omnivores. Most of them will do best on a diet that is primarily meat, but they should not be fed a 100% meat diet. Making a truly balanced homemade diet is tough. They should at least be rotated, so if you're missing something important with one recipe you have a shot at making it up with the next. And there is NO advantage to feeding it raw, unless the possibility of foodborne illness excites you. If dogs in "nature" (those packs of wild Golden Retrievers, you know ) knew how to use stoves, they would.
And, dogs fed homemade diets don't seem to live in any longer, on average. Take that for what it's worth. incorrect i am afraid, dogs are carnivores show me a wolf that eats wheat and shit and i will listen to you all you have to do is look at their teeth... dogs are not susceptible to the same foodborne illnesses as humans, i know you work for a vetinarian unfortunately all one has to do is look around any Vet reception area they make their money peddling supposed scientific pet foods.. i should add that i feed my dog a variety of liquidised vegetables. carnivores eat some vegetables too, it is not so clear cut but dogs shouldnt be eating cereals which one finds in a lot of dog foods. editttted [Edited 3/17/07 10:19am] I've spent a whole lot of time looking at dog teeth, thanks. Thousands of hours. And thousands more hours looking at the teeth of actual carnivores. They are indeed different. Omnivores are a broad category. Carnivores do not eat 30% vegetables! If your dog were a carnivore, he would not need that to "not get stopped up". You are just wrong. I'm not even gonna argue with you. Go look it up. Dogs are omnivores. Their teeth, their digestive tracts. . .omnivores. Cereals? Whatever. That has nothing to do with being omnivores. You can argue that cereals aren't natural for humans either. "Natural" and "healthy" are NOT the same concept, and all of the woo-woo people on the fuckin' internet who CAN'T UNDERSTANT THAT make me insane. Clearly. Vets sell food because there are prescription diets to deal with various illnesses, and they WORK. So. Whatever. The whole "vets are evil bastards out to make money" thing ain't gonna fly with me, I don't care what you think. Oh, and yes, dogs are susceptible to foodborne illness. I've seen plenty of bloody diarrhea to prove it. Again, you're just wrong. [Edited 3/17/07 15:03pm] oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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katt said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Got a link to the study? When we digest food, we break down the proteins into amino acids. Having them in a more-difficult-to-digest form to begin with is not an advantage. As for enzymes, unless they are enzymes that have specifically evolved to live in an extremely acidic environment (which muscle tissue is not), they are denatured immediately by stomach acid. Any conceivable benefits to feeding raw are outweighed by the risk of foodborne illness. I believe it's available online: La malbouffe ou la vie, enquete sur la degradation de l'état de sante de nos chiens, ISBN 2874340324 I do have a english translation on my laptop that was sent to me by my vet it is in a pdf file I can send u that if u want, I personaly do not beleive in what ppl say without proof this is why I always ask for proof. Yes, but one study does not proof make, and many studies are very poorly conducted. Which is why I would like to see it. tackam@u.washington.edu. Thanks! oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Let me say again that I always come on these pet threads not because I actually care about changing the minds of the few people who, in my opinion, always show up to spread misinformation. Honestly. I don't care.
What I care about are all of the other people who are reading/lurking. I want you all to know that the statements we are all making are controversial, and you should not accept advice from random people on the internet. Even the advice that sounds happy and pretty and nice to you (like, about what is "natural" for Golden Retrievers ). Read it. Research it. And then go to your vet and talk about it.
If you want to find a woowoo vet who will support you in your woowoo quest to try to do what is "natural" for your Golden Retriever ( ), they are out there. Good. Go for it. But at least do that. Find that vet. At least they had to go to vet school, and while there are plenty of dumbasses who make it through vet school (and other professional schools), hopefully they are infusing SOME sense into all of this.
Don't listen to us.
Because I have seen multiple animals harmed by well-meaning owners following advice they got on the internet. Truly. Happens all the time. [Edited 3/17/07 15:14pm] oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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