pharmaceutical companies only want to make money off the vaccine which does more harm that good

pharmaceutical companies only want to make money off the vaccine which does more harm that good

Janfriend said:

Can you back that up?

Janfriend said:

Can you back that up?

Janfriend said:

What information has lead you to believe this? If the vaccine works as it is supposed to, the medical benefit to women everywhere is astounding.

CarrieLee said:

This was just discussed on the radio this week. There is a website that gives all info on the many vaccinnations out there. I will find it. The vaccine does not cure all types of HPV. You're body does more for that than a vaccine

butterfli25 said:

I agree this is a great thread

From what I understand, carcinoma-in-situ and severe dysplasia are in general identical. Some Dr's hesitate to use the "cancer" word as it is considered confined and treatable at that stage in most cases and sometimes they just aren't sure. http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncanc11.htm
"If 100% of the thickness has abnormal cells on biopsy, that is classified as carcinoma in situ. If the top third of the epithelium is abnormal, that is classified as severe dysplasia. In truth, pathologists cannot always differentiate between about 70% and 100% of the thickness so that severe dysplasia and carcinoma in situ are often lumped together to bring attention to the seriousness of the lesion".

I recall that after my colpo, he expected to be able to do the "freezing" (which apparently was very commonplace), but the biopsy results revealed the extent and dictated the cone, which also proceeded to be more drastic than he expected. Prior to going under, they told me I'd have some mild cramps after and could take Motrin. Instead I woke up in ufb horrible pain, was immediately given a shot of Demerol and later told they had to cut more than expected, and was sent home on Percocets for 2 weeks.

I'm glad to hear you are doing well!! I seem to be fine again also, since the scare in 02. Now that I have my son, I'm not as afraid of what might happen down the road. I'm almost 39 and don't expect to have any more children so...I guess I could deal with it now if it comes back. I never miss a Pap.

link for australians:

http://www.health.gov.au/cervicalcancer

ZombieKitten said:

once again, other countries are ahead of the USA in women's health care issues...

"Starting in April 2007, the Australian Government will be providing the new vaccine free to all women and girls aged between 12 and 26 through the National HPV Vaccination Program".

so this is NOT already happening there?

TELL SOMEONE. Let them be one less.

ZombieKitten said:

far from it here
in canada the decision is up to the individual provinces
as they decide where to allocate health spending
they have said it would be too expensive

i am going to ask my friend if she knows if her private insurance will cover it.

as

paisley said:

paisley16 said:

so this is NOT already happening there?

ZombieKitten said:

the insurance companies haven't even decided if they'll pay for it yet....forget the government- they never will. What needs to happen here is pressure on the government to force the insurance co.'s to cover it. States are beginning to do this one by one, very slowly, by putting the vaccine on lists of required vaccinations for kids in school.
I think it runs about $360 US dollars. My friend works for an ob/gyn office and they make patients go pick up the vaccine from the pharmacy themselves, bring it back to the office to give them the shot and then the patient has to take it up with their insurance co. on their own to attempt reimbursement.

That being said, if I had a young daughter I'd be sure to find the money or charge it if I had to so they could have a chance at protection and not have to go through what I and others did or worse.

Protecting Women From Cancer of the Cervix

Immunization works. It is considered a very cost-effective means of preventing illness and provides long-term savings to the health care system. When effective new vaccines become available, it is in the best interest of Canadian families to receive them as quickly as possible.

Cancer of the cervix is the second most common cancer in Canadian women aged 20 to 44 after breast cancer. In 2006, there were an estimated 1,350 new cases of cancer of the cervix and 390 related deaths in Canada. Almost all cancers of the cervix are caused by human papillomavirus (HPV). In July 2006, the Government approved a vaccine for use by young girls and women that prevents the majority of these cancers, providing protection against the two types of HPV that are responsible for approximately 70 per cent of cancers of the cervix in Canada.

The Government will provide funding to the provinces and territories to support the launch of a national program for the HPV vaccine that will focus on protecting women and girls from cancer of the cervix. Budget 2007 proposes to put $300 million into a third-party trust in 2007–08 for the benefit of provinces and territories, allocated on a per capita basis. Provinces and territories will have the flexibility to draw down funding, as they require, over the next three years.

http://www.budget.gc.ca/2...bpc3e.html

The only couple of thing I would like to add to this great thread is that all because you are vaccinated it doesn't mean you can throw caution to the wind. I have Hep B vaccination but I am still vary wary of handling Hep B blood/urine.

The vaccine is an amazing breakthrough and could save millions from an awful disease. No it is not perfect, yes pharma companies will make money but at least the drugs have been through extensive testing and we are in a position to start using them. Which is more than can be said for thousands of other major discoveries.

No, not all Cervical cancer is HPV related, just like not all lung cancer is caused by smoking. Which takes me back to my original point, it is an additional barrier, another layer of protection, not magic.

I think more research has to be done about this vaccine. It's a good idea, for the simple fact that HPV is quickly gaining popularity amongst sexually active young women. However, it's too soon to just tell women to take it. I was diagnosed with precancerous cells on my cervix while pregnant with my son. Though it was not related to HPV, it's still scary as hell. I was blessed in that I didn't have to have any surgery or take any medication, but many people aren't so lucky.


Smooches;)

I think more research has to be done about this vaccine. It's a good idea, for the simple fact that HPV is quickly gaining popularity amongst sexually active young women. However, it's too soon to just tell women to take it. I was diagnosed with precancerous cells on my cervix while pregnant with my son. Though it was not related to HPV, it's still scary as hell. I was blessed in that I didn't have to have any surgery or take any medication, but many people aren't so lucky.


Smooches;)

Janfriend said:

Can you back that up?

Janfriend said:

What information has lead you to believe this? If the vaccine works as it is supposed to, the medical benefit to women everywhere is astounding.

CarrieLee said:

Can you back up that it is good, safe, and really protects someone from HPV as opposed to someone using condoms correctly? The only way to truly know this is to get a group of women who have not been sexually active and let them have sex with a man with HPV. One group would be with the vaccine, one with condoms, and one without condoms

CarrieMpls said:

What are the statistics of this medical benefit? Are you just trusting what the commercial tells you? I spoke to my GYN about this last week and the fucker didn't have much to say except it's good and he hasn't been giving it to many people yet. I tried to more info out of him and he didn't have any. I think the doctors are just getting the basics

That's exactly why I won't take it or give it to my future daughters. I don't trust it. I won't be giving them the silly chickenpox vaccine either. I think people are idiot's when they become quick to take something just because the FDA approves it. Remember Fen Fen?

Janfriend said:

It is already understood that the vaccine does not cover all strains of the virus. YES, condoms are good and should be encouraged.
Should we also try to protect our kids from cancer? If we can, YES.

Janfriend said:

there's a BIG f-ing difference between chicken pox and cancer.

paisley16 said:

Well, the vaccine does not protect from cancer. It protects from certain strains of the virus. Not everyone who gets the virus gets cancer. The focus should be on the cancer. Also, if they had something that cured all strains of HPV I may be a little more open to it