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Reply #60 posted 03/12/07 7:13am

SureThing

Anx said:

SureThing said:




SHEEP! SHEEP!


I know. I don't care. It ain't my job to pay these people. Let they're boss pay them.


But it IS your job to pay them! That's how it's set up! Unless you go to some fast food place or something, where tipping isn't allowed. I think if people are anti-tipping, they need to lobby for better pay for waitstaff so that tips are no longer necessary. Still, until that day comes, ya still have to tip or else get in the kitchen and start rattling those pots and pans!



It is MY job to pay them? Am I getting part of the profit at the restaurant? Did I tell the people to go work for 3 bucks an hour? No. I REFUSE!
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Reply #61 posted 03/12/07 7:16am

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What's with the non-tippers on this thread? Y'all some rude mf's hammer

Dine in the drive-thru, won'tcha? razz
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Reply #62 posted 03/12/07 7:17am

SureThing

CalhounSq said:

SureThing said:




SHEEP! SHEEP!


I know. I don't care. It ain't my job to pay these people. Let they're boss pay them.


You do know that paychecks for servers can be as low as $6 for A WEEK OF WORK, right? At least that's what my checks used to look like, it can't be much better nowadays.

Servers LIVE on their tips, they do not receive a regular wage BECAUSE OF their tips. disbelief



I do know. And it s WRONG. I don't understand, how its legal to pay less than minimum wage.
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Reply #63 posted 03/12/07 7:19am

Anx

SureThing said:

Anx said:



But it IS your job to pay them! That's how it's set up! Unless you go to some fast food place or something, where tipping isn't allowed. I think if people are anti-tipping, they need to lobby for better pay for waitstaff so that tips are no longer necessary. Still, until that day comes, ya still have to tip or else get in the kitchen and start rattling those pots and pans!



It is MY job to pay them? Am I getting part of the profit at the restaurant? Did I tell the people to go work for 3 bucks an hour? No. I REFUSE!


if you are dining at a place with waitstaff, YES. it IS IS IS your job to help pay them. that's how it works. waiters' pay is dependent on tips.

if ya don't like it, don't go to restaurants with waiters! just go to places with counter service or order carryout.

meanwhile...you know they spit in your food, right? and that's if they're feeling gentle.
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Reply #64 posted 03/12/07 7:19am

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SureThing said:

CalhounSq said:



You do know that paychecks for servers can be as low as $6 for A WEEK OF WORK, right? At least that's what my checks used to look like, it can't be much better nowadays.

Servers LIVE on their tips, they do not receive a regular wage BECAUSE OF their tips. disbelief



I do know. And it s WRONG. I don't understand, how its legal to pay less than minimum wage.


Restaurants are a tip-based industry. I don't know all the legal ins & outs but they look @ your sales do some kind of averaging of what they figure you made in tips & subtract it from the paycheck (or some kind of wacko math that allows the manager to hand out these piddly checks from week to week). It's fucked up, & not tipping while knowing those circumstances is MORE fucked up poke
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Reply #65 posted 03/12/07 7:24am

SureThing

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I disagree.

I'm paying for my food, and I'm giving 2 bucks.

No disrespect to the waiters/watiresses, but I can afford 2 bucks. Thats all.
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Reply #66 posted 03/12/07 7:24am

Anx

CalhounSq said:

SureThing said:




I do know. And it s WRONG. I don't understand, how its legal to pay less than minimum wage.


Restaurants are a tip-based industry. I don't know all the legal ins & outs but they look @ your sales do some kind of averaging of what they figure you made in tips & subtract it from the paycheck (or some kind of wacko math that allows the manager to hand out these piddly checks from week to week). It's fucked up, & not tipping while knowing those circumstances is MORE fucked up poke


when i was a waiter and we had regular customers who were known for tipping poorly, we'd argue over who'd have to wait on them, and whoever got stuck with them would make those customers the lowest priority of all the tables.

our managers would yell at us for this usually, but if we were REALLY busy, they'd let it slide.

and like i said earlier, when a waiter is in a bad mood, there's nothing like taking out one's frustrations on bad tipping customers...via their food. evillol
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Reply #67 posted 03/12/07 7:25am

Anx

SureThing said:

shrug

I disagree.

I'm paying for my food, and I'm giving 2 bucks.

No disrespect to the waiters/watiresses, but I can afford 2 bucks. Thats all.


you can afford groceries and cookware, right?
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Reply #68 posted 03/12/07 7:25am

SureThing

Anx said:

CalhounSq said:



Restaurants are a tip-based industry. I don't know all the legal ins & outs but they look @ your sales do some kind of averaging of what they figure you made in tips & subtract it from the paycheck (or some kind of wacko math that allows the manager to hand out these piddly checks from week to week). It's fucked up, & not tipping while knowing those circumstances is MORE fucked up poke


when i was a waiter and we had regular customers who were known for tipping poorly, we'd argue over who'd have to wait on them, and whoever got stuck with them would make those customers the lowest priority of all the tables.

our managers would yell at us for this usually, but if we were REALLY busy, they'd let it slide.


and like i said earlier, when a waiter is in a bad mood, there's nothing like taking out one's frustrations on bad tipping customers...via their food. evillol



So yous are pissed at the costumers and not your boss? The one who is SUPPOSED to be paying you?
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Reply #69 posted 03/12/07 7:27am

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Anx said:

CalhounSq said:



Restaurants are a tip-based industry. I don't know all the legal ins & outs but they look @ your sales do some kind of averaging of what they figure you made in tips & subtract it from the paycheck (or some kind of wacko math that allows the manager to hand out these piddly checks from week to week). It's fucked up, & not tipping while knowing those circumstances is MORE fucked up poke


when i was a waiter and we had regular customers who were known for tipping poorly, we'd argue over who'd have to wait on them, and whoever got stuck with them would make those customers the lowest priority of all the tables.

our managers would yell at us for this usually, but if we were REALLY busy, they'd let it slide.

and like i said earlier, when a waiter is in a bad mood, there's nothing like taking out one's frustrations on bad tipping customers...via their food. evillol


nod I never did it myself but I've seen people do some FOUL shit to customers food - spitting in pasta/beverages, dropping steaks on the NASTY kitchen floor ill And that could just be b/c they don't like your attitude that day eek
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Reply #70 posted 03/12/07 7:28am

Anx

SureThing said:

Anx said:



when i was a waiter and we had regular customers who were known for tipping poorly, we'd argue over who'd have to wait on them, and whoever got stuck with them would make those customers the lowest priority of all the tables.

our managers would yell at us for this usually, but if we were REALLY busy, they'd let it slide.


and like i said earlier, when a waiter is in a bad mood, there's nothing like taking out one's frustrations on bad tipping customers...via their food. evillol



So yous are pissed at the costumers and not your boss? The one who is SUPPOSED to be paying you?


it's not the boss's fault! it's how the industry works.

when you take on a job as a waiter (at least in america), you do it for the tips. the plus is, you go home with your paycheck for the day, in cash. the minus is, well, customers like you. lol
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Reply #71 posted 03/12/07 7:30am

SureThing

Anx said:

SureThing said:

shrug

I disagree.

I'm paying for my food, and I'm giving 2 bucks.

No disrespect to the waiters/watiresses, but I can afford 2 bucks. Thats all.


you can afford groceries and cookware, right?



Dude, do not EVEN, be like that.

Look, yeah, I can afford that, its a neccesity.

Going out to eat is a luxury, and I appreciate the workers, but I don't feel like its my place to pay the help. I didn't hire them. Why isn't the owner paying them. Or better yet, charge more, and pay the help a little more. WTF?
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Reply #72 posted 03/12/07 7:31am

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SureThing said:

Anx said:



when i was a waiter and we had regular customers who were known for tipping poorly, we'd argue over who'd have to wait on them, and whoever got stuck with them would make those customers the lowest priority of all the tables.

our managers would yell at us for this usually, but if we were REALLY busy, they'd let it slide.


and like i said earlier, when a waiter is in a bad mood, there's nothing like taking out one's frustrations on bad tipping customers...via their food. evillol



So yous are pissed at the costumers and not your boss? The one who is SUPPOSED to be paying you?


You're not getting it. It's the INDUSTRY that would have to change, not the boss. & as the industry stands now the waiters get paid from their tips. So if you know that & still choose to tip $2 no matter what the tab, you're not giving much of a shit about a person just trying to do their job in that industry shrug

It's fine when it's in line w/ the tab - maybe you're eating @ super cheap places?? confused
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Reply #73 posted 03/12/07 7:31am

REDFEATHERS

To be perfectly honest it really depends on the service I get.

When getting my hair done, I have been known to leave tremendous tips.. but I know the people there and it is a real posh salon, and they give me more than the normal service.

Taxis, yeah quite a bit.. restaurants yes too

In the states I always tip.

But it has been known if I have had a shit time or the person got a bad attitude, they can be tipless and out of a job too.. sooooo

lol
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Reply #74 posted 03/12/07 7:33am

SureThing

CalhounSq said:

SureThing said:




So yous are pissed at the costumers and not your boss? The one who is SUPPOSED to be paying you?


You're not getting it. It's the INDUSTRY that would have to change, not the boss. & as the industry stands now the waiters get paid from their tips. So if you know that & still choose to tip $2 no matter what the tab, you're not giving much of a shit about a person just trying to do their job in that industry shrug

It's fine when it's in line w/ the tab - maybe you're eating @ super cheap places?? confused


This is true, but that really has nothing to do with the tip for me anyways.

I'm not trying to be a jackass, and like, YEAH, I don't care about them. HAHAHHAHAH Give the help 2 bucks! Let em feed their kids dirt!

No, but I still don't get how the resturant owner is getting away with the costumers paying them and the help.

Not only that, but yes, I AM cheap. Thats why I have the stuff I do have. Cuz we pinch.
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Reply #75 posted 03/12/07 7:36am

Anx

SureThing said:

Anx said:



you can afford groceries and cookware, right?



Dude, do not EVEN, be like that.

Look, yeah, I can afford that, its a neccesity.

Going out to eat is a luxury, and I appreciate the workers, but I don't feel like its my place to pay the help. I didn't hire them. Why isn't the owner paying them. Or better yet, charge more, and pay the help a little more. WTF?


i'm TOTALLY gonna be like that because that's how i was raised! ya can't tip, ya stay in and cook - simple as that! probably better for you anyway. lol

if you're willing to pay more for your food so they can make more money, what's the difference in tipping them that extra amount? i mean, if you think about it, you come out ahead because you don't have to pay tax on the tip you give.

do you bring your KIDS and leave these $2 tips???

all i'm saying is, don't order lemonade.
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Reply #76 posted 03/12/07 7:37am

peterfalconer

CalhounSq said:

What's with the non-tippers on this thread? Y'all some rude mf's hammer

Dine in the drive-thru, won'tcha? razz



If the waiter/waitress is rude, there's no way they're getting a tip. It's their job to give good service. If they give good service they get a good tip. If they give great service, I don't mind giving them a great tip.

Makes perfect sense to me.
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Reply #77 posted 03/12/07 7:40am

SureThing

Anx said:

SureThing said:




Dude, do not EVEN, be like that.

Look, yeah, I can afford that, its a neccesity.

Going out to eat is a luxury, and I appreciate the workers, but I don't feel like its my place to pay the help. I didn't hire them. Why isn't the owner paying them. Or better yet, charge more, and pay the help a little more. WTF?


i'm TOTALLY gonna be like that because that's how i was raised! ya can't tip, ya stay in and cook - simple as that! probably better for you anyway. lol

if you're willing to pay more for your food so they can make more money, what's the difference in tipping them that extra amount? i mean, if you think about it, you come out ahead because you don't have to pay tax on the tip you give.

do you bring your KIDS and leave these $2 tips???

all i'm saying is, don't order lemonade.

falloff

In all seriousness, we don't go out to eat that much. And only about half of the time with the kids. And when we take the kids, its not like we go to red lobster (fancy for us) or some shit.

I dunno.

I'm KINDA gettin' what your sayin'.

I'm not even trying to be difficult. But if the resturants can do this why doesn't everyone.

Why doesn't wal mart pay 3 bucks an hr to the cashiers and then let the costumers tip them?

Same with car salesman, and all that.
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Reply #78 posted 03/12/07 7:41am

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peterfalconer said:

CalhounSq said:

What's with the non-tippers on this thread? Y'all some rude mf's hammer

Dine in the drive-thru, won'tcha? razz



If the waiter/waitress is rude, there's no way they're getting a tip. It's their job to give good service. If they give good service they get a good tip. If they give great service, I don't mind giving them a great tip.

Makes perfect sense to me.

I understand that nod I'm talking about the people who intentionally tip low no matter the level of service/quality of the food. And I don't know how it is everywhere so I'm mainly talking about those in the US...
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Reply #79 posted 03/12/07 7:42am

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SureThing said:

Anx said:



i'm TOTALLY gonna be like that because that's how i was raised! ya can't tip, ya stay in and cook - simple as that! probably better for you anyway. lol

if you're willing to pay more for your food so they can make more money, what's the difference in tipping them that extra amount? i mean, if you think about it, you come out ahead because you don't have to pay tax on the tip you give.

do you bring your KIDS and leave these $2 tips???

all i'm saying is, don't order lemonade.

falloff

In all seriousness, we don't go out to eat that much. And only about half of the time with the kids. And when we take the kids, its not like we go to red lobster (fancy for us) or some shit.

I dunno.

I'm KINDA gettin' what your sayin'.

I'm not even trying to be difficult. But if the resturants can do this why doesn't everyone.

Why doesn't wal mart pay 3 bucks an hr to the cashiers and then let the costumers tip them?

Same with car salesman, and all that.


B/c it's not industry standard that you tip in a drug store lol But it's a well known standard in restaurants, it's just the way it is. smile
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Reply #80 posted 03/12/07 7:43am

Anx

peterfalconer said:

CalhounSq said:

What's with the non-tippers on this thread? Y'all some rude mf's hammer

Dine in the drive-thru, won'tcha? razz



If the waiter/waitress is rude, there's no way they're getting a tip. It's their job to give good service. If they give good service they get a good tip. If they give great service, I don't mind giving them a great tip.

Makes perfect sense to me.


the only - ONLY - time i've ever tipped poorly is when the waiter has bad attitude. like, if they can't be bothered to lift a finger or if they're so absorbed in a conversation that i get completely forgotten. to be honest, that never happens to me in chicago. in new york, it used to happen ALL THE TIME. but i think they knew they were gonna get rotten tips and they were just there to show off their hairdos to the public or something. mad
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Reply #81 posted 03/12/07 7:55am

Anx

SureThing said:

Anx said:



i'm TOTALLY gonna be like that because that's how i was raised! ya can't tip, ya stay in and cook - simple as that! probably better for you anyway. lol

if you're willing to pay more for your food so they can make more money, what's the difference in tipping them that extra amount? i mean, if you think about it, you come out ahead because you don't have to pay tax on the tip you give.

do you bring your KIDS and leave these $2 tips???

all i'm saying is, don't order lemonade.

falloff

In all seriousness, we don't go out to eat that much. And only about half of the time with the kids. And when we take the kids, its not like we go to red lobster (fancy for us) or some shit.

I dunno.

I'm KINDA gettin' what your sayin'.

I'm not even trying to be difficult. But if the resturants can do this why doesn't everyone.

Why doesn't wal mart pay 3 bucks an hr to the cashiers and then let the costumers tip them?

Same with car salesman, and all that.



well, a car salesman gets a commission, which is kind of like a tip, only it's built into the price of your car. some people who work in clothing stores work on commission too, which is why sometimes you get sales associates bugging the hell out of you when you go clothes shopping.

there's a really good explanation of why we tip waiters here:

http://alforno.blogspot.c...e-tip.html

it's kinda long, but it's well-written and very common-sensical.

basically, tipping serves the bottom-line needs of restaurant owners, so the industry has no reason to change its standards.
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Reply #82 posted 03/12/07 8:03am

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if you don't tip, i hope you are not a return customer. otherise, you are likely getting a little side order of phlegm with every order. bonus!
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Reply #83 posted 03/12/07 8:04am

Imago

Stax said:

if you don't tip, i hope you are not a return customer. otherise, you are likely getting a little side order of phlegm with every order. bonus!

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Reply #84 posted 03/12/07 8:25am

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OMG, I'm getting rid of old shit & I just came upon these fucking QUIZZES they used to give us @ my 2nd restaurant job omfg lol What a fucking joke, WHY do I still have this shit after 10 years?? sigh
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Reply #85 posted 03/12/07 8:50am

Mara

I tip 17%. Movingrightalong.
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Reply #86 posted 03/12/07 8:50am

Muse2NOPharaoh

It is my experience that poor tippers are also the MOST demanding creatures on earth....
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Reply #87 posted 03/12/07 9:05am

Anx

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

It is my experience that poor tippers are also the MOST demanding creatures on earth....


hell YES

if it was just some schmoe with a book and you could just throw food in their face and they'd leave a dollar tip, that's one thing.

but those demanding MFs who run you ragged then leave a buck fifty for a tip? and worse - COMPLAIN about service to justify their crappy tip?!?

OOOOOH. mad

i haven't waited tables in about 15 years, and that kind of nonsense STILL gripes my ass!!! johnwoo
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Reply #88 posted 03/12/07 9:09am

JDINTERACTIVE

It depends on the service.
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Reply #89 posted 03/12/07 10:45am

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The "antagonist-of-the-week" prize goes to SURETHING for the "tip" controversy.

thumbs up!

SURETHING: lookup Burger King and Taco Bell the next time you want to eat out and don't have enough money for a tip. Whether you like it or not, tipping is the basis for a waiter/waitress' salary. Unless your bill was like $10 or had really shitty service, then a $2 tip is disgraceful.
And if you do REALLY limit your tips to $2, then refrain to going to the same restaurant again...lest your food contain "special ingredients" the next time you go.
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