Seriously.

I love deja voo.

I wish I could have it all the time!

Its so neat.

They say it's a little like an epileptic seizure. Your brain waves actually are different when it happens. Kinda like a brain .
Or time streching and snapping back into place.

I like deja vu too.
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Just post this thread again and the gag will be complete! Make sure you get the typos in too.

SureThing said:

Lack of a search engine.

2the9s said:

most of your threads reak of that

voo doo doo doo that you do do

SureThing said:

but you don't even know me!

shausler said:

shellyevon said:

So wait.

Did the thing actually HAPPEN before.

Or the thought just keeps going back and forth like a rubber band?

Deja Vu happens when you are tired. You see something but because your brain is tired, the whole image doesnt get transferred to your brain. A bit of it goes to your subconcious and very few moments later to your concious. And boom! It happened before!!!

No it didnt. It just took sometime for the image to come to your concious, but it did go to your subconcious immidiatly so you think it happened before.

Thats how somebody explained it to me..

They say people who consume a lot of alcohol or smoke get it more that others.

I experience deja vu all the time...

I experience all the time too.
I think its two things.
One: you dream when you sleep scenarios of things that are on your mind, things that could happen in the future. Then when they happen you recall the dream scenario and it feels and seems you have done it before.

Two: you do the same routines and same shit over and over that you actually have done it before, and it catches you off guard.

It's a glitch in the matrix.

Actually there are full philosophical essays dedicated to this topic based on that single scene from the "matrix" movie, and to my amazement I have to say they are actually quite insightful and valid(!). It is a very good metaphor of cracks in the experiencing of the symbolic order

Basically it is the same structure that produces the effect of living inside an ordered reality that also produces the fall into momentary psychotic modes. The symbolic order is ever-prevailing, but it does contain its own defects that would allow it to be traced back and fought against.

So my hasty hack-of-a-psychoanalyst analysis would be that you are getting tired of your life, are becoming a psychotic and your family's life is at danger. Hide all knives in the house.

Ribbed4UrPleasure said:

Yeah actually that is so weird I remember once I was talking with one of my classmates and sudenly i told him hey didn't we discuss that yesterday???

Deja Vu can and has been explained quite simply. U have two eyes and ears - messages are recieved from all of these senses. Its all to do with syncranisity. If my left eye is a billienth of a second slower at sending its message to the brain as my right ey e is then guess what? thats right, it gets the same message twice. thus, u think 'i m sure ive seen this before'! well hey, guess what? u have, it was a squilienth of a second ago. FUCK THE MUMBO JUMBO, ITS SCIENCE SIMPLE AND PLAIN.
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3121 said:

whoa! spooky! i think not.

I recently asked my doctor this,
& he told me that at my age,
it's probably due to the early stages of Alziehmer's

Judging by the attitude that accopmanied his answer,
I figure,
I must have asked him this before.

Either that,
or he's just an asshole.



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Illustrator said:

it can't b... I experience daja vu almost every day but i'm 2 young 4 Alziehmer

I asked my doctor this,
& he said that it was due to the after effects of photosyntesis occuring within the space-age polymers in my brain.

Either that
or he's just an asshole.

LightOfArt said:

REALLY?

Well, the way you explained seems to make sense.

It's just so cool.

I LOVE it.

Wow!

All different answers.

Kinda like when I asked about my countertops.

Now I don't know who to believe.

3121 said:

And also a pretty stupid attempt at an explanation as well, since memory traces require time to become assimilated fully to the neurological apparatus to appear as an "effect" of the unconscious to Understanding. I'd rather go for the matrix analysis, it is a drift from the phallic signifier towards the jouissance of the Other. The only problem Matrix had though in regards with that theory is that Neo should have been preferably a transgendered individual in order to achieve that. But hey, you can't have it all.

Yes, SureThang. You can also get quite frequent déjà vu's by doing drugs. Even smoking weed.

novabrkr said:

I read your theory above, and I'd comment, but I really have NO idea what your saying. It all sounds good though.

The thing that doesn't add up with these scenarios everyone else is making, is that when you have deja voo the memory seems ancient. Like, Oh this happened before, it seems SO familiar, but WHEN? It seems really OLD.

If it was because the eye or ear was delayed, wouldn't it seem like it happened twice RITE IN A ROW? Like a stutter or something?

novabrkr said:

how many types of memory do u assume we have? buffer memory is as instananeous as can be. memory trace can be ,,ahem.. 'assimilated fully to the neurological apparatus' but that is a another process altogether. All stimuli must pass through the buffer store initially (where deja vu happens),

I wasn't serious with my theory (altough it's quite funny that one of the leading philosophers in the world today would title one of his books after Matrix). But if you want a more serious attempt at the question why it seems so "old" I can try to explain something:

It is because the deja vu experience deals with something that in essence is an empty memory. It deals with the phenomenon of memory, sure, but only it's form (how you feel it yourself). Memory traces start building up in early childhood when we enter the structure of language (learn to speak and interact with others by observing them, and by them giving them demands). The structure itself is also what stands for the form of the memory alone.

It is good you pointed out the "oldness" of that feeling, a very good observation in my opinion. It is because at the structuring stage of human understanding in early childhood the capacity for experiencing time isn't complete. We will begin to understand the experience of time better once we have developed a more functional symbolic system for ourselves (i.e. children learning more words with age and so on). However the "entering" into this structure happens at such an early stage that the concept of time hasn't become totally prevailing yet - hence it is out of time still experienced as adults. This is what you will experience in deja vu's as well. Pure form of memory entering your consciousness momentarily. It feels like something concrete even if it lacks obviously all reference.


... okay, maybe that didn't clear it up enough. But that'll have to do.
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I love it too, you just go with it.

3121 said:

I commented there that I wasn't fully serious. But there is no conceptual reflection in "buffer memory", so that theory goes straight to the trash can. Conceptual reflection requires an interruption by the symbolic, which is not sensory by nature. Deja Vu's deal with the structure unconscious which operates like the symbolic. It is the surface of the registry of the real, as an empty signifier.

Oh, and Behaviorists can go to hell.

Freespirit said:

Heyyyyy
X 2000

How are you?

The only true experience with deja vu` for me occurred many years ago...the first time I was stationed in Amberg, Germany....

I walked into the downtown market square from a narrow street that led into the large open center mall area....the first sight in the view was a very old cathedral.....the sight of which made me drop to a knee because I was certain with every fiber of my being that I'd walked into this scene before...though I'd never been to Europe at any time in my life prior to that...but each detail, each sight was as familiar to me as any I'd seen.....still freaks me out to this day thinking about it because I was literally overcome by the feeling of deja vu`.....

anyone wanna take a stab at that one?????

SureThing said: