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* The death star explosion in Episode 4 makes it look way less cheesy. * The replacement of the old actor who played the Emperor in Episode 5 made sense. Besides, the old actor sucked--it was very mechanical. * The additional scenes at cloud city in Episode 5 made the city look more like a bustling city than a studio stage. Things I didn't care for: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. - Tha pit that people are thrown in in Return of The Jedi. The wiggling arms and wierd mouth that comes out--it didn't really improve the scene any. It was more fun imagining what horrible tortures were inside the thing than actually seeing the cheesy arms and mouth come out. 
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE The rancor scene where it tries to eat Luke. Honestly I would have loved to haved seen him bite Luke's head off so I wouldn't have to put up with all that over-acting. But since that would totally mess up the movie, I would like to see them make the rancor look more realistic. It still looks very fake in that scene. | |
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Imago said: I like much of the new cgi footage
* The death star explosion in Episode 4 makes it look way less cheesy. * The replacement of the old actor who played the Emperor in Episode 5 made sense. Besides, the old actor sucked--it was very mechanical. * The additional scenes at cloud city in Episode 5 made the city look more like a bustling city than a studio stage. Things I didn't care for: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. - Tha pit that people are thrown in in Return of The Jedi. The wiggling arms and wierd mouth that comes out--it didn't really improve the scene any. It was more fun imagining what horrible tortures were inside the thing than actually seeing the cheesy arms and mouth come out.
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE The rancor scene where it tries to eat Luke. Honestly I would have loved to haved seen him bite Luke's head off so I wouldn't have to put up with all that over-acting. But since that would totally mess up the movie, I would like to see them make the rancor look more realistic. It still looks very fake in that scene.  i agree with all those too. except for biting luke's head off. i LOVE LOVE LOVE mark hamill.There is no perfect place
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Imago said: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. Agree with both of these as horrible CGI. How in the hell did Jabba get to the dock to confront Han? How the hell does he move at all? I thought someone had to carry him or something. And then Han goes behind him (because it was originally shot with an actor playing Jabba) and Jabba's eyes get all wide because Han has apparently stepped on his tail. And I hate, hate, hate the new song in Jabba's palace. All good things they say never last... | |
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GottaLetitgo said: Imago said: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. Agree with both of these as horrible CGI. How in the hell did Jabba get to the dock to confront Han? How the hell does he move at all? I thought someone had to carry him or something. And then Han goes behind him (because it was originally shot with an actor playing Jabba) and Jabba's eyes get all wide because Han has apparently stepped on his tail. And I hate, hate, hate the new song in Jabba's palace. It's like 1999-The New Master for George  | |
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Imago said: GottaLetitgo said: Agree with both of these as horrible CGI. How in the hell did Jabba get to the dock to confront Han? How the hell does he move at all? I thought someone had to carry him or something. And then Han goes behind him (because it was originally shot with an actor playing Jabba) and Jabba's eyes get all wide because Han has apparently stepped on his tail. And I hate, hate, hate the new song in Jabba's palace. It's like 1999-The New Master for George Inspired analogy! All good things they say never last... | |
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- Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy.
- The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. The reinstated Jabba scene ran WAAAAAY too long. They should have edited it by at least 7 minutes. It almost seemed like the movie was gonna be JUST about rescuing Han! Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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Imago said: Things I didn't care for:
- Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. He did look MUCH MUCH thinner in Episode 4 though....he really let himself go in the later installments..... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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cborgman said: GottaLetitgo said: Are we all in agreement that every bit of new footage added to the original trilogy sucks big time. All of it. The worst is the end of "Jedi" where they not only butcher the Ewok celebration song (the only redeeming thing they did) they show Hayden standing next to Yoda and Obi-Wan in Luke's vision. WTF!!!
And Han DID shoot first. So what! totally. a big part of the reason i like the orginals and not the new is they had limitations of illusion they were working under, and it makes the movies more amazing to see these imaginative things brought to life. the new ones are just actors in front of a blue screen. there is such a thing as too much CGI. seeing the CGI invading the originals kind of ruined them a little. I do like the scene added where Han talks with Jabba at docking bay 94, but I wish they would have had improved CGI for Jabba because he just looks wrong.  | |
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Imago said: I like much of the new cgi footage
* The death star explosion in Episode 4 makes it look way less cheesy. * The replacement of the old actor who played the Emperor in Episode 5 made sense. Besides, the old actor sucked--it was very mechanical. * The additional scenes at cloud city in Episode 5 made the city look more like a bustling city than a studio stage. Things I didn't care for: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. - Tha pit that people are thrown in in Return of The Jedi. The wiggling arms and wierd mouth that comes out--it didn't really improve the scene any. It was more fun imagining what horrible tortures were inside the thing than actually seeing the cheesy arms and mouth come out.
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE The rancor scene where it tries to eat Luke. Honestly I would have loved to haved seen him bite Luke's head off so I wouldn't have to put up with all that over-acting. But since that would totally mess up the movie, I would like to see them make the rancor look more realistic. It still looks very fake in that scene. I hate that thay just add a ring to the death star explosion... what's so fashionable about a ring? He made all the big explosions wear rings! Cloud City is a bit better with cgi, BUT, what sucks is unlike Spielberg (check War of the Worlds' first 20 minutes for brilliant use) who usually uses CGI to mimic how it would look if they had actually shot it with a camera, Lucas tends to (not as bad as Peter Jackson) make his camera swoop and turn in these perfect multidimensional moves that scream "Look I'm CGI, look at me! Look I can do movements a real camera can't do! Aw shucks, I know I'm not real. Who cares if you don't get the emotional, subconscious anchor of reality? I am fancy." My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Imago said: - That pit that people are thrown in in Return of The Jedi. The wiggling arms and weird mouth that comes out--it didn't really improve the scene any. It was more fun imagining what horrible tortures were inside the thing than actually seeing the cheesy arms and mouth come out.
I'm guessing part of it was so that it didn't look as much like a man-eating vagina with teeth.  | |
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TMPletz said: I'm guessing part of it was so that it didn't look as much like a man-eating vagina with teeth
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Adisa said: namepeace said: Yeah, hotheads lose it in the end, but come on. The padawan needed the equivalent of the Flutie Hail Mary v. Miami in '85 to "own" Maul. Exactly. Let the truth be known that Obi-Wan never won a duel with skill, but with knowledge and use of the Force. Could very well be that the only one he truly won was the last one he lost. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Adisa said: Exactly. Let the truth be known that Obi-Wan never won a duel with skill, but with knowledge and use of the Force. Could very well be that the only one he truly won was the last one he lost. I would consider his first duel with Vader a win...although Vader managed to live after the battle only because Palpatine saved him. Kenobi left him there to die, and die he should have. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: TMPletz said: I'm guessing part of it was so that it didn't look as much like a man-eating vagina with teeth
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ufoclub said: Imago said: I like much of the new cgi footage
* The death star explosion in Episode 4 makes it look way less cheesy. * The replacement of the old actor who played the Emperor in Episode 5 made sense. Besides, the old actor sucked--it was very mechanical. * The additional scenes at cloud city in Episode 5 made the city look more like a bustling city than a studio stage. Things I didn't care for: - Jabba appearing in Episode 4. Why was that really necessary? What did it do? It made Jabba look kind of whimpy. - The music scene in Jabba's palace. Why change it with that CGI? It was cheesy and brought too much attention to itself. - Tha pit that people are thrown in in Return of The Jedi. The wiggling arms and wierd mouth that comes out--it didn't really improve the scene any. It was more fun imagining what horrible tortures were inside the thing than actually seeing the cheesy arms and mouth come out.
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE The rancor scene where it tries to eat Luke. Honestly I would have loved to haved seen him bite Luke's head off so I wouldn't have to put up with all that over-acting. But since that would totally mess up the movie, I would like to see them make the rancor look more realistic. It still looks very fake in that scene. I hate that thay just add a ring to the death star explosion... what's so fashionable about a ring? He made all the big explosions wear rings! Cloud City is a bit better with cgi, BUT, what sucks is unlike Spielberg (check War of the Worlds' first 20 minutes for brilliant use) who usually uses CGI to mimic how it would look if they had actually shot it with a camera, Lucas tends to (not as bad as Peter Jackson) make his camera swoop and turn in these perfect multidimensional moves that scream "Look I'm CGI, look at me! Look I can do movements a real camera can't do! Aw shucks, I know I'm not real. Who cares if you don't get the emotional, subconscious anchor of reality? I am fancy." 
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Imago said: ufoclub said: I hate that thay just add a ring to the death star explosion... what's so fashionable about a ring? He made all the big explosions wear rings! Cloud City is a bit better with cgi, BUT, what sucks is unlike Spielberg (check War of the Worlds' first 20 minutes for brilliant use) who usually uses CGI to mimic how it would look if they had actually shot it with a camera, Lucas tends to (not as bad as Peter Jackson) make his camera swoop and turn in these perfect multidimensional moves that scream "Look I'm CGI, look at me! Look I can do movements a real camera can't do! Aw shucks, I know I'm not real. Who cares if you don't get the emotional, subconscious anchor of reality? I am fancy."
You're kind of upset about all this, huh? I'm Star Wars fanatic... I read the novel about 5 times in 1977. I was into everything about it back then. And I get really emotionally effected when movies seem as detailed and authentic as reality! Imagine what I felt jumping from 6 million dollar man, space 1999, star trek, wonder woman to..... Star Wars. It was a slap to come to your senses about how good stuff could really be. I am so thankful that Lucas released Star Wars on dvd intact recently without an episode number and "A New Hope" tacked on. Hold on, I have to take of my Darth Vadar mask, I can't breath...  My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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ufoclub said: Hold on, I have to take of my Darth Vadar mask, I can't breath...
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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ufoclub said: I am so thankful that Lucas released Star Wars on dvd intact recently without an episode number and "A New Hope" tacked on. me too. i like being able to choose between the crap SE and the real movie. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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TMPletz said: namepeace said: Could very well be that the only one he truly won was the last one he lost. I would consider his first duel with Vader a win...although Vader managed to live after the battle only because Palpatine saved him. Kenobi left him there to die, and die he should have. Agreed, but after all that, was it really a "win"? I know what you're saying, but just consider that he didn't beat Vader because he didn't kill him. He knew what kind of monsters that Sidious could build out of spare parts (Grievous). But that wouldn't have brought the so-called "balance" to the Force had he killed Vader. What I'm saying is, his second duel with Vader resulted in his increased power in the Force, and an awakening of Luke's use of the Force that led to the demise of the Sith and the Empire. So by losing, he won a lot more than he ever did before.  Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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GottaLetitgo said: Are we all in agreement that every bit of new footage added to the original trilogy sucks big time. All of it. The worst is the end of "Jedi" where they not only butcher the Ewok celebration song (the only redeeming thing they did) they show Hayden standing next to Yoda and Obi-Wan in Luke's vision. WTF!!!
And Han DID shoot first. So what! I hate the Jabba scene, too. Lucas should've just left well enough alone. And I thought Prince was a control freak... My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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Funniest shit: If any of you guys get a chance to watch the documentary on the star Wars phenomenon, don't miss it. I think it comes on either Bravo or one of those stations like that. Make sure you see the part where you actually hear David Prowse saying his lines as Darth Vader, it's hilarious because he has this British accent and is in no way menacing at all . Yeah, GL made the right call by getting James Earl Jones to voice DV.Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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CosmicTalk said: Funniest shit: If any of you guys get a chance to watch the documentary on the star Wars phenomenon, don't miss it. I think it comes on either Bravo or one of those stations like that. Make sure you see the part where you actually hear David Prowse saying his lines as Darth Vader, it's hilarious because he has this British accent and is in no way menacing at all
. Yeah, GL made the right call by getting James Earl Jones to voice DV.Yeah, it's great and you get a sense of George Lucas' mindset about tampering with the originals - his overall visions for the films were affected by the technological limitations of the time. I think he fails to see that the charm of the movies lies in the characters and special effects as a whole. The cgi "additions" distract more than add to the originals, in my opinion... What about Harrison Ford's revelation that he wanted Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi" (which almost got released as "Revenge of the Jedi") Carrie Fisher, who's doing a one-woman show, admitted recently that she and Ford actually hooked up and had an affair during that time... My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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cborgman said: 6. the empire strikes back
5. return of the jedi 4. a new hope 3. revenge of the sith 2. attack of the clones 1. the phantom menace there's a really good reason that empire and jedi are sooooo much better than the others... g-luc didn't direct them. I would probably agree with your ranking. And then add the animated Star Wars: Clone Wars at the very bottom.   FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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JesseDezz said: Carrie Fisher, who's doing a one-woman show, admitted recently that she and Ford actually hooked up and had an affair during that time...
What, for real? They had sex? But Harrison Ford was a married man! I am shocked. Shocked, I'm telling you.  FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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ufoclub said: space 1999
I love Space: 1999, too. I've got all 48 episodes on DVD and a diecast Eagle. FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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JesseDezz said: CosmicTalk said: Funniest shit: If any of you guys get a chance to watch the documentary on the star Wars phenomenon, don't miss it. I think it comes on either Bravo or one of those stations like that. Make sure you see the part where you actually hear David Prowse saying his lines as Darth Vader, it's hilarious because he has this British accent and is in no way menacing at all
. Yeah, GL made the right call by getting James Earl Jones to voice DV.Yeah, it's great and you get a sense of George Lucas' mindset about tampering with the originals - his overall visions for the films were affected by the technological limitations of the time. I think he fails to see that the charm of the movies lies in the characters and special effects as a whole. The cgi "additions" distract more than add to the originals, in my opinion... What about Harrison Ford's revelation that he wanted Han Solo to die in "Return of the Jedi" (which almost got released as "Revenge of the Jedi") Carrie Fisher, who's doing a one-woman show, admitted recently that she and Ford actually hooked up and had an affair during that time... Yeah, that was a trip when Ford said that. And yeah, I can see that happening between them two. Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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JesseDezz said: cborgman said: 6. the empire strikes back
5. return of the jedi 4. a new hope 3. revenge of the sith 2. attack of the clones 1. the phantom menace there's a really good reason that empire and jedi are sooooo much better than the others... g-luc didn't direct them. In total agreement  I actually got deep into the whole series as a result of reading the paperback version of The Empire Strikes Back as a youngling. I was sick in bed, so that book took me and my imagination to a whole different place and time. When I finally saw the movie, it was just like the book, only better.rock on!  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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JesseDezz said: namepeace said: . . . was Lucas directing and scripting it, IMHO. He created a wonderful world with several really good characters. He just couldn't get them to dialogue effectively or emote. Forget Christensen for a minute. A cast featuring good actors like Neeson, Jackson, McDiarmid, McGregor, Smits, Portman, et al. should have been given better words to speak and more freedom to act them out. I love all of the prequels for different reasons, but the drawbacks are hard to ignore. Yeah, the dialogue even made Samuel L. Jackson seem stiff, as if he was reading off of a cue card. Believe it or not, Hayden Chrisensen was actually decent in that movie about disgraced journalist Steven (sic) Glass. shattered glass. yeah, he has been good in everything i have seen him except the star wars movies. lucas is really just a bad director. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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scififilmnerd said: cborgman said: 6. the empire strikes back
5. return of the jedi 4. a new hope 3. revenge of the sith 2. attack of the clones 1. the phantom menace there's a really good reason that empire and jedi are sooooo much better than the others... g-luc didn't direct them. I would probably agree with your ranking. And then add the animated Star Wars: Clone Wars at the very bottom. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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well over the past few weeks my kids and I have been watching all six movies again...
over the weekend we watched Episodes II and III and I wanted to add these comments. Episode III is without a doubt the second best in the series (after Empire) and Episode II isn't all that bad.. I understand the compliants but my 12 and 10 year olds LOVE it and that's really the target audience  | |
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