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Reply #60 posted 02/19/07 8:23am

Anx

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Anx said:



well, being dead isn't exactly being overtaxed, if you think about it.


Yes, but she was a little girl!! How sad of a story is it when we're happy that a little girl dies at the end to rid her of her suffering??

Mean, horrible, sad movie. hmph!


it's not so much being happy that she's dead as it is knowing that the imagination of a child is strong enough to bring a sense of victory in a hopeless situation.
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Reply #61 posted 02/19/07 8:41am

Muse2NOPharaoh

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CarrieMpls said:



redface


Nice edit.


redface


I mean, it wasn't even a minor spoiler. THAT was huge. lol



Ok, I suppose I know longer need to see this movie huh?
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Reply #62 posted 02/19/07 8:43am

Muse2NOPharaoh

lol I had the thread open and let my daughter barrow the computer for a moment to check mail..... all this went down in the meantime!
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Reply #63 posted 02/19/07 9:14am

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For those who know me, I am notoriously bad at even being able sit through a movie, let alone one that isn't in English. But every so often a movie comes around that touches me in ways other movies can't. Guillermo del Toro's Pans Labyrinth is such a movie. A burgeoning director, Del Toro's previous efforts like Hell Boy simply don't prepare you for the awe inspiring experience this movie dishes up. Del Toro weaves a tale of sacrifice, heart break, desperation, and magic. Throughout this wondrous two hour movie, Del Toro reminds us that no matter how bleak your circumstances you always have the ability to resist or make choices.

I knew I was in for a treat when I entered the theatre early to witness adults walking out with tears in their eyes. The story takes place during 1944 during Spain's brutal civil war, in which a young girl, Ofelia is taken from the city way out to the country with her mother to meet her cold, calculating, and brutal stepfather, a Spanish army captain, whose knack for torture and violence are displayed unflinchingly. The violence in this movie, though a bit much for me to stomach in certain scenes, is never glorified, or presented like a protracted bloodfest ala Mel Gibson, but serves rather as an ultra real presentation of a desperation which is so lifelike that you can taste and smell it, appreciating how it contrasts beautifully with Ofelia's escape in the world of the labyrinth.

This is not to say that the mythical world Ofelia finds herself in serves as mere escapism. In many ways, the mythical world mirrors the horrors that his poor young girl faces in her real life. Beautifully rendered creatures, stark for their imagination as well as ferocity in certain scenes, often forces the audience to actually feel relieved when she escapes back into her "real" surroundings.

But at the heart of this story are the characters and complex interwoven themes. The menacing step father, the maid Mercedes who serves as a spy for the rebels, the doctor who assist Mercedes, and the wonderful performance by the 11 year old girl who plays Ofelia, all serve to hook you in and keep you under their spell. The actors and actresses each deliver their lines with stark clarity but never making you feel as if you're being lectured. When the one of the characters tells the wicked captain that the difference between the two of them is that he has a choice, and that he chooses to resist, my heart practically ached knowing it was a personal stand he would be punished for. But Del Toro isn't seeking to tell you to not make those choices based upon principle. Rather, he is stating that fascism in the world is very real. That it is very brutal (hence the violence in the movie), but no matter how desperate things are, you always have the choice to resist it. You always have the ability to make a difference, even if it costs you dearly.

I can't really go much more into the story without giving it away, but I can say that it is simply one of the best films I have ever seen. EVER. Not since Forest Gump, Ghandi, and Graffiti Bridge has a movie stirred so many emotions in me. I certainly will be looking for future works of Del Toro, though I hope he doesn't keep escalating the violence in his movies, as that would kind of suck ass.




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THANKS FOR THIS THREAD...IT IS BY FAR ONE OF THE BEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN...SERIOUSLY!!!

Everytime I think about it or I see a billboard here in LA, I get a lump in my throat. I can't remember the last time I was affected by a movie this much and I agree with your summary.

For those of you who have not seen it...please do.
rainbow

"...literal people are scary, man
literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #64 posted 02/19/07 9:26am

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I thought this movie was perfect. The fact that it didn't have a happy ending only made the film appeal to me more.

I read in an interview with Guillermo that Mercedes is what Ophelia would have become if she had stopped believing and that's why there are many similarities between the two characters--like their strong connections to their brothers.
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Reply #65 posted 02/19/07 11:36am

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sextonseven said:

I thought this movie was perfect. The fact that it didn't have a happy ending only made the film appeal to me more.

I read in an interview with Guillermo that Mercedes is what Ophelia would have become if she had stopped believing and that's why there are many similarities between the two characters--like their strong connections to their brothers.



Surprise lol
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Reply #66 posted 02/20/07 12:17am

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most fairy tales started out as pretty gory, unhappy-ending tales before disney and the like came in and sanitized them and turned them into happy pretty cartoons with sparkly pixies and whatnot.


purrrr

Read American Gods by Neil Gaiman?
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Reply #67 posted 02/20/07 12:32am

MIGUELGOMEZ

I loved HELLBOY!!!

I really liked PAN'S LABYRINTH but the only thing I could think of during the film was "I hope nobody brings their kids." It was brutally violent.


M
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Reply #68 posted 02/20/07 12:54am

HamsterHuey

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I loved HELLBOY!!!

I really liked PAN'S LABYRINTH but the only thing I could think of during the film was "I hope nobody brings their kids." It was brutally violent.


It wasn't marketed here as a kiddies movie, so that should warn parents.
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Reply #69 posted 02/20/07 8:27am

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applekisses said:

sextonseven said:

I thought this movie was perfect. The fact that it didn't have a happy ending only made the film appeal to me more.

I read in an interview with Guillermo that Mercedes is what Ophelia would have become if she had stopped believing and that's why there are many similarities between the two characters--like their strong connections to their brothers.



Surprise lol


I'm so goth. smile
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Reply #70 posted 04/01/07 7:16pm

Imago

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I loved HELLBOY!!!

I really liked PAN'S LABYRINTH but the only thing I could think of during the film was "I hope nobody brings their kids." It was brutally violent.


M



Yes, it was.

Although I agree with the director that war is a brutal, bloody affair, it made the movie painful to watch in scenes.


Plus, I have a very weak stomach for torture.
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Reply #71 posted 04/01/07 7:42pm

ThreadBare

I love the name Mercedes, too, SureThing. But only as a woman's name. I don't like the car...

I thought the movie was gorgeously shot (in the above-ground parts, at least, before the ending).

I thought the father was one-dimensional, and the mother was barely there. All it seems she was was pregnant and sick. The nanny/cook character needed more, but I dug her character. It's easy to see how she'd become Ofelia's maternal figure.

Pan disturbed me. His incremental control of Ofelia -- despite the end's resolution -- reminded me of the progression seen in less-positive contact with spirit beings in real life. And, the Underworld-as-a-Good-Place ending was something I wasn't even going to trifle with.
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Reply #72 posted 04/07/07 7:26am

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incredible.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #73 posted 04/07/07 8:50am

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I think this director loves violence and does indeed glorify it. But he also loves tender human moments. Even "Hell Boy" has these two elements.

this film is similar to many previous stories or movies, even "Dancer in the Dark" uses the same idea... it's not very original.

but, it's all done with such steady old fashioned craftsmanship, and rock solid rules of it's own reality, that it works and seems fresh to many people.

It was quite emotional at the end when she does walk into shining glory!
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Reply #74 posted 04/07/07 10:10am

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ThreadBare said:

And, the Underworld-as-a-Good-Place ending was something I wasn't even going to trifle with.


I saw it more as the afterlife, not an underworld. But then again, it was all in the girl's mind anyway.

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Reply #75 posted 04/07/07 1:13pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

I feel like an outsider. I love realistic gore, I loved HELLBOY and well.....that's it.


M
MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
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Reply #76 posted 04/08/07 12:46am

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sextonseven said:

ThreadBare said:

And, the Underworld-as-a-Good-Place ending was something I wasn't even going to trifle with.


I saw it more as the afterlife, not an underworld. But then again, it was all in the girl's mind anyway.

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who says it was all in the girls mind?
I think it was really happening to her.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #77 posted 04/08/07 1:12pm

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muirdo said:

sextonseven said:



I saw it more as the afterlife, not an underworld. But then again, it was all in the girl's mind anyway.

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who says it was all in the girls mind?
I think it was really happening to her.


I say it was all in her mind. And then she died. The end.
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