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Reply #30 posted 02/14/07 4:48pm

2the9s

jerseykrs said:

2the9s said:

The question of whether you feel he needs medication is yours alone (and his mother's) and doing what is right for your son takes precedence. THEN you worry and work on -- with all the devotion of a son -- healing the rift with your mother.

It's a tough situation either way, jersey. I wish you well with your decision.

And expect your son one day to make decisions that don't sit well with you. lol



Thank you David. Everyones words are helping in their own way. I am by no means mad at mom, I know she just doesn't think straight lately. I worry all the time about the decisions we are making with BOTH our kids, but who the hell gets a manual? No one.


I didn't even get a link to a FAQ page!! mad
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Reply #31 posted 02/14/07 4:53pm

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With all respect Jers, your mother has issues. Do not make them your own.
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Reply #32 posted 02/14/07 4:55pm

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Hey, think about it this way. She's a wonderful woman, but look at how she's acting (and how much she's hurting you and herself) by refusing doctor-prescribed meds. I consistently ignore doctors' advice when it comes to pill popping at the drop of a hat, but there are extreme situations that warrant medication, of course. Debilitating depression, schitzophrenia, etc--obviously, there are times when you've just got to bite the bullet and do it, when you compare how things will get if you don't.

Again, I'm sorry she's being so hurtful. As you know, she doesn't mean it in the slightest.

You remind me a lot of my dad. He raised me all by himself and I get choked up just thinking about how well he did under the circumstances. I'm so proud of single parents. It's not easy.
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Reply #33 posted 02/14/07 5:08pm

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I am a Special Ed. teacher and I have worked with kids with ADHD for a long time. I was very sad to read your original post. It is never easy to sit in those meetings and tell parents that their children "need help". I had one yesterday- it was a long walk from lunch duty up to the office where the meeting was being held, because I knew what I was going to have to say.

If you feel that you have tried every other option, and that this is best for your son, then you do what you need to do. Stay strong. Once your son is doing better, he'll feel better about himself because he won't have Mom & Dad frustrated, and the teachers frustrated- which in turn has frustrated him. It's a vicious cycle- but I'm sure you know that.

Your mom will come around when she sees how her grandson has adjusted and is doing well in school and in general.
It'll all work out....
Lynn

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Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #34 posted 02/14/07 5:08pm

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INSATIABLE said:

Hey, think about it this way. She's a wonderful woman, but look at how she's acting (and how much she's hurting you and herself) by refusing doctor-prescribed meds. I consistently ignore doctors' advice when it comes to pill popping at the drop of a hat, but there are extreme situations that warrant medication, of course. Debilitating depression, schitzophrenia, etc--obviously, there are times when you've just got to bite the bullet and do it, when you compare how things will get if you don't.

Again, I'm sorry she's being so hurtful. As you know, she doesn't mean it in the slightest.

You remind me a lot of my dad. He raised me all by himself and I get choked up just thinking about how well he did under the circumstances. I'm so proud of single parents. It's not easy.

I too do everything I can to not take meds as my body reacts wildly to drugs. I usually cannot physically tolerate the reaction my body has to various drugs. But it sounds to me like there is a definite control issue and that this is philisophical in origin. It can be really hard to bridge that kind of divide and if she does come around and realize how ridiculous she is being by "disowning" you, maybe you should be very selective about what you share with her. Blind ignorance can be bliss nod
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Reply #35 posted 02/14/07 5:09pm

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That's too bad. Perhaps she is slightly unstable too? Not to be an ass, but that stuff runs in families (depression runs in mine). She went from tears of joy to disowning you in the same day.

You should probably accept the way she is (just as she should accept your decisions as a parent) and try not to let it get to you--impossible since she's your mother, but try anyway. She's not likely to change anytime soon.

She'll come around again, but you should do your best not to feed the fire when these situations come up. My mother has told me that she has kept certain parenting decisions from her own mother that she knew her mother wouldn't accept.

I'm not really into drugging kids either, but you've researched it and you're not making the decision lightly. And it is your decision, after all. I don't think it's worth telling her if you already know she HATES drugs.
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Reply #36 posted 02/14/07 5:16pm

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Ahhhhh your mom will be fine! She is making a last ditch effort to bully her view.... She will let it go... give her awhile to chill..

You are doing what is best for your son... Its so unfair to expect him to live up to a school standard whilst his hard wiring is set differently... Giving him the chance to settle down and mellow out a bit so he can focus is solid. You can revist the choice later as he gets a bit older..

Kudos to hands on parenting! hug hug hug
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Reply #37 posted 02/14/07 5:19pm

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I have known kids of friends and a boy I grew up with who both needed meds ( diet and other concepts werent going to change it) and were not taken care of.... that is cruel! Both recall hard childhoods filled with people that couldnt tollerate them and teachers who were flat unkind. Left feeling like they were bad all the time....
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Reply #38 posted 02/14/07 5:25pm

2the9s

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I have known kids of friends and a boy I grew up with who both needed meds ( diet and other concepts werent going to change it) and were not taken care of.... that is cruel! Both recall hard childhoods filled with people that couldnt tollerate them and teachers who were flat unkind. Left feeling like they were bad all the time....


Just reading this post makes me want to self-medicate.

drink

smile
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Reply #39 posted 02/14/07 5:26pm

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2the9s said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I have known kids of friends and a boy I grew up with who both needed meds ( diet and other concepts werent going to change it) and were not taken care of.... that is cruel! Both recall hard childhoods filled with people that couldnt tollerate them and teachers who were flat unkind. Left feeling like they were bad all the time....


Just reading this post makes me want to self-medicate.

drink

smile


Too bad you can't find the meds in her bathroom cabinet. It's only full of perfumes smile
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Reply #40 posted 02/14/07 5:28pm

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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I have known kids of friends and a boy I grew up with who both needed meds ( diet and other concepts werent going to change it) and were not taken care of.... that is cruel! Both recall hard childhoods filled with people that couldnt tollerate them and teachers who were flat unkind. Left feeling like they were bad all the time....


nod my best friend has ADHD and it's gotten easier as she's aged, but elementary school & junior high were really difficult for her.
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Reply #41 posted 02/14/07 5:29pm

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hug

I can only echo what's already been said. Your mother loves you and will come around. It sounds like everyone else possible is supporting you, she'll come to understand eventually.


I know it's hard, though. hug
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Reply #42 posted 02/14/07 5:29pm

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Maybe she just said it in anger to make you feel guilty and do what she wants you too. You and your ex have to do what you feel is right, after consulting with a doctor. It's in your child's best interest. I hope he will be able to focus and stay on task again. It is not easy - it can be hell and frustrating.

Maybe if you give her a book or literature to read about ADHD, maybe she will have a better understanding.

hug
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Reply #43 posted 02/14/07 5:32pm

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eh, parents. I take them with a grain of salt. I mean that with a lot of love though.
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Reply #44 posted 02/14/07 6:10pm

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You are the parent. Your mother will get over it.
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Reply #45 posted 02/14/07 6:10pm

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hug you are an amazing dad chris. everything else i wanted to say has already been said. you're doing what is right for your son after much research and considering all the options. your mom probably just said that in anger as a last ditch attempt to make you do what she wanted. and if she didn't, well then she's hurting herself by cutting herself off from her son and her grandchildren.

you are an amazing dad chris. amazing.
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Reply #46 posted 02/14/07 6:18pm

Stymie

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Keep your mom out of your business. She raised you the way she wanted and I am sure she would not have taken crap off anyone when it came to doing what she thought was best for you.

Never secondguess yourself when it comes to your kids. No one on this earth loves them as much as you and I know you are not making this decision because it's the easy way out. My son is on an anti-psychotic as well as an anti-depressant and it has helped him immensely.
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Reply #47 posted 02/14/07 6:47pm

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It's unspeakably difficult to have a parent who requires care that they refuse to get. I know that first hand. It's so tough to be torn between loving and honoring your parent, and standing up for your own decisions and your right to run your life and your family as an adult. For that I feel for you, Jersey. hug

That being said, you know that she is speaking to you from her own fears and her own limited perception. The things she is saying are in no way based on whether you are doing the right thing (you are, in so many ways) or even how she truly feels about you. She loves you more than anything, and as you know, with the strongest love sometimes comes the most irrational reactions. Try to remember that when it hurts.

You have my undying admiration.

rose
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Reply #48 posted 02/14/07 6:48pm

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I am so sorry Chris- I know you are close with your mom so I know this must be really hard for you. I am not a parent so I feel like I have no right to give advice. So- you have my support and my sympathy. I am sorry that you are dealing with this health issue with your son. I know that you will do what ever you feel is best for your son when all is said and done. At the end of the day that is all that matters. YOUR SON.

I have said this to you before and I will say it again- your a great dad.
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Reply #49 posted 02/14/07 8:05pm

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jerseykrs said:

As some may or may not know, my son has ADHD. He has managed it for the last three years without the use of medication, which his mother and I have been happy about. However, after careful monitoring, we feel it is time to revisit this. A choice that has not come easy, nor does it sit well with us. We feel it is the best option at this point though. His grades are slipping, even though he is brilliant. He has gotten suspended numerous times over things that if he just took the time to think, he would have made a better decision.


Well, my mother has a "no drug" view on life. So much so that she refuses to take the medications her doctor says she needs, and she and everyone around her suffer accordingly. Over the last few weeks, she has been on my case daily to NOT consider medication as an option. I listened to her, and took her feelings into consideration. I read every piece of anti medication literature she gave me (I have done plenty of research on my own as a responsible parent, but she somehow thinks we just haphazardly say MEDICATE HIM).

She fails to accept that he is OUR son and we are going to make the decisions we feel are best at the time. My father continues to tell her that she needs to understand that.

Well, after telling her that we plan on trying the medication again, she told me that as of today she no longer has a son and is disowning me because I refuse to listen to her and agree with turning my son into a "zombie". She has moments of suicidal tendencies and of course spoke of not seeing us again because she feels like dying. All this after I told her this morning that I am in love and she cried tears of joy.

I just don't understand how she can not respect the fact that I am his father, his mother is his mother and we are going to parent the best way we know how.

sad


this is about you, and your son, and giving him the tools he needs in order to be successful in life. You don't need your mom's approval, and if this is what it takes in order for her to feel that she wants to disown you, then there's something bigger going on here. If there was a tutoring class that would help your son, you'ld sign him up. If he had a broken leg, you'ld get it reset, and he'd wear a cast. You son needs help in focusing, and if it has to be accomplished vie Ritalin, or Concerta or Adderrall, it's probable that he's going to thank you because he feels better, and can accomplish the grades you know he can earn. You're doing nothing wrong Chris, but giving your son something he's lacking. You've been taking care of him for awhile now, and you're doing a damn good job. Do what's good for your son, not Mom. She's lived her life, it's your son's turn now.
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Reply #50 posted 02/14/07 8:13pm

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Your mom will come around. I'm sure she did things parenting you that not everyone appreciated. She has to see that eventually.

You're a good dad Chris.

And now, I quit giving you praise for the rest of the year.
This one's for you.
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Reply #51 posted 02/14/07 11:43pm

mrdespues

I feel ya bud.

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I recently stopped taking meds after using them for several years... and it is evident that I was a little more numb to certain things when on them, got really fat as well (i've lost 17kg since then) but at the same time they really helped me through some tough shit.....

But I like the metaphor of the caterpillar needing to first cocoon in order to become a beautiful butterfuly... eventually, the idea is to come out of that shell (ie. medication) in order to really grow...

... so all i can humbly suggest is maybe saying to your mother that medication is a means to an end, and is simply strengthening the neural connections until such a time as your son doesn't need it anymore.

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Reply #52 posted 02/15/07 12:16am

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orgnote rose hug
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Reply #53 posted 02/15/07 2:52am

jerseykrs

FunkMistress said:

It's unspeakably difficult to have a parent who requires care that they refuse to get. I know that first hand. It's so tough to be torn between loving and honoring your parent, and standing up for your own decisions and your right to run your life and your family as an adult. For that I feel for you, Jersey. hug

That being said, you know that she is speaking to you from her own fears and her own limited perception. The things she is saying are in no way based on whether you are doing the right thing (you are, in so many ways) or even how she truly feels about you. She loves you more than anything, and as you know, with the strongest love sometimes comes the most irrational reactions. Try to remember that when it hurts.

You have my undying admiration.

rose



I do know that, and you remind me of it constantly. I have for the longest time wished she would just accept the side effects of antidepressants and antianxiety medicine for the benenfit of HER mind and all around well being. Or not believe that Concerta is going to suddenly make CJ want to shoot up the school.

Alas, it is what it is, and I know she will apologize in time. It may take a LONG time, but she will not disown me.

Trust me, I struggle with the all day questioning of myself, whether or not I am doing the right thing or not. That's hard enough, the added stress is just that, added.

You help me through it though, and I love you for that.
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Reply #54 posted 02/15/07 3:45am

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are you or your son consuming Fluoride (in toothpaste or water?) if so, stop. Hope everything works out.
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Reply #55 posted 02/15/07 4:19am

mrdespues

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are you or your son consuming Fluoride (in toothpaste or water?) if so, stop. Hope everything works out.


I'm sorry, but that is just slightly alarmist clap-trap. Yes excessive amounts of fluoride will cause problems, but use no fluoride at all and your teeth will fall out! May I direct you here for the most informed info:

http://www.who.org


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Reply #56 posted 02/15/07 4:25am

SureThing

Well, your his Dad, so you know whats best for him.

You allowed him to go as long as ya could w/out meds, but why let his grades suffer and so on, if it can be helped with medication.

Sorry about your Mom. She's just upset. I'm sure she'll come around.

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Reply #57 posted 02/15/07 4:27am

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jerseykrs said:

As some may or may not know, my son has ADHD. He has managed it for the last three years without the use of medication, which his mother and I have been happy about. However, after careful monitoring, we feel it is time to revisit this. A choice that has not come easy, nor does it sit well with us. We feel it is the best option at this point though. His grades are slipping, even though he is brilliant. He has gotten suspended numerous times over things that if he just took the time to think, he would have made a better decision.


Well, my mother has a "no drug" view on life. So much so that she refuses to take the medications her doctor says she needs, and she and everyone around her suffer accordingly. Over the last few weeks, she has been on my case daily to NOT consider medication as an option. I listened to her, and took her feelings into consideration. I read every piece of anti medication literature she gave me (I have done plenty of research on my own as a responsible parent, but she somehow thinks we just haphazardly say MEDICATE HIM).

She fails to accept that he is OUR son and we are going to make the decisions we feel are best at the time. My father continues to tell her that she needs to understand that.

Well, after telling her that we plan on trying the medication again, she told me that as of today she no longer has a son and is disowning me because I refuse to listen to her and agree with turning my son into a "zombie". She has moments of suicidal tendencies and of course spoke of not seeing us again because she feels like dying. All this after I told her this morning that I am in love and she cried tears of joy.

I just don't understand how she can not respect the fact that I am his father, his mother is his mother and we are going to parent the best way we know how.

sad



what she said to you isn't right. hug you're doing well, she has her issues and that isn't your fault
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Reply #58 posted 02/15/07 4:30am

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mrdespues said:

lilgish said:

are you or your son consuming Fluoride (in toothpaste or water?) if so, stop. Hope everything works out.


I'm sorry, but that is just slightly alarmist clap-trap. Yes excessive amounts of fluoride will cause problems, but use no fluoride at all and your teeth will fall out! May I direct you here for the most informed info:

http://www.who.org



jerseykrs can check out the info for his self. One has to treat their children, but can also wonder why adhd and the like is on the rise.
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Reply #59 posted 02/15/07 4:33am

mrdespues

lilgish said:

mrdespues said:



I'm sorry, but that is just slightly alarmist clap-trap. Yes excessive amounts of fluoride will cause problems, but use no fluoride at all and your teeth will fall out! May I direct you here for the most informed info:

http://www.who.org



jerseykrs can check out the info for his self. One has to treat their children, but can also wonder why adhd and the like is on the rise.


Removing fluoride completely is not the answer.
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