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Thread started 02/11/07 9:02pm

karmatornado

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Hypothetical Job Situation for you folks...

Your pretty good at a job and have built a certain niche and comfort level in your position. What you do, you have done rather well, but its taken a few years to get established. Your boss rewards you with a new raise and job security for the now and and the next few years as long as your performance stays the status quo. Now comes Johnny Headhunter. He notices that you have the leadership potential to do good things for his company, but the company is currently in a sad state of affairs. But he offers you money, a lot more than your earning now, and you know in your heart that your capable of righting the ship in this company if you do what you know how to do. The only thing is it involves a move and starting basically from scratch. What do you do?
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Reply #1 posted 02/11/07 9:07pm

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I would probably take the new job if there is a long-term upside, even if it means giving up short-term security. shrug If you can right the ship, you will be set.
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Reply #2 posted 02/11/07 9:12pm

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Stax said:

I would probably take the new job if there is a long-term upside, even if it means giving up short-term security. shrug If you can right the ship, you will be set.


Thats an interesting perspective. The only thing is on this ship has been adrift for well over a decade, do you still take the leap?
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Reply #3 posted 02/11/07 9:14pm

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karmatornado said:

Stax said:

I would probably take the new job if there is a long-term upside, even if it means giving up short-term security. shrug If you can right the ship, you will be set.


Thats an interesting perspective. The only thing is on this ship has been adrift for well over a decade, do you still take the leap?


If I thought I could change things, yes. If it looked like a lost cause, no.
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Reply #4 posted 02/11/07 9:19pm

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You have a track record for delivering solid work. So solid, in fact, that a headhunter has reached out to you.

Your rep is solid, then. If you leap for something new, in the interests of doing something different and rescuing a foundering company, it's a win-win situation. (I say this as someone who has made a leap or two, on a much smaller scale.)

I say give it a shot. Your description of your present situation wasn't so impassioned. Just make sure the new gig puts your golden parachute in writing. But, I'm sure you know that already.
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Reply #5 posted 02/11/07 9:20pm

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Stax said:

karmatornado said:



Thats an interesting perspective. The only thing is on this ship has been adrift for well over a decade, do you still take the leap?


If I thought I could change things, yes. If it looked like a lost cause, no.


The hypothetical situation involves going to a place with a storied past, but do to other business opening up in the area, some talented workers have left. But the economic support and staff support are there, the only problem is due to there history they would like to see a complete turnaround in the next 2 years. The first year is a free pass. The problem is you know that you can only take so many co workers with you and you may be working with less talent.
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Reply #6 posted 02/11/07 9:22pm

ThreadBare

karmatornado said:

Stax said:



If I thought I could change things, yes. If it looked like a lost cause, no.


The hypothetical situation involves going to a place with a storied past, but do to other business opening up in the area, some talented workers have left. But the economic support and staff support are there, the only problem is due to there history they would like to see a complete turnaround in the next 2 years. The first year is a free pass. The problem is you know that you can only take so many co workers with you and you may be working with less talent.


Will you need a wordsmith? A marketing type? A pharmaceutical rep? An administrator? hmmm
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Reply #7 posted 02/11/07 9:23pm

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ThreadBare said:

You have a track record for delivering solid work. So solid, in fact, that a headhunter has reached out to you.

Your rep is solid, then. If you leap for something new, in the interests of doing something different and rescuing a foundering company, it's a win-win situation. (I say this as someone who has made a leap or two, on a much smaller scale.)

I say give it a shot. Your description of your present situation wasn't so impassioned. Just make sure the new gig puts your golden parachute in writing. But, I'm sure you know that already.


A golden parachute is something that has not of yet been negotiated. This involves lots of prayer and a leap of faith. Something I'm sure you know lots about.
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Reply #8 posted 02/11/07 9:26pm

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ThreadBare said:

karmatornado said:



The hypothetical situation involves going to a place with a storied past, but do to other business opening up in the area, some talented workers have left. But the economic support and staff support are there, the only problem is due to there history they would like to see a complete turnaround in the next 2 years. The first year is a free pass. The problem is you know that you can only take so many co workers with you and you may be working with less talent.


Will you need a wordsmith? A marketing type? A pharmaceutical rep? An administrator? hmmm


Part of a winning company is not being afraid to hire people who know more than you that you know you can depend on. These people are comfortable in their situations. Some will take the leap with you while others cannot afford to take the leap do to life situations, and the fact that if you take off they will have opportunity to rise and fill your gap.
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Reply #9 posted 02/11/07 9:29pm

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karmatornado said:

Stax said:



If I thought I could change things, yes. If it looked like a lost cause, no.


The hypothetical situation involves going to a place with a storied past, but do to other business opening up in the area, some talented workers have left. But the economic support and staff support are there, the only problem is due to there history they would like to see a complete turnaround in the next 2 years. The first year is a free pass. The problem is you know that you can only take so many co workers with you and you may be working with less talent.


Leaders do more with less.
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Reply #10 posted 02/11/07 9:32pm

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karmatornado said:

ThreadBare said:



Will you need a wordsmith? A marketing type? A pharmaceutical rep? An administrator? hmmm


Part of a winning company is not being afraid to hire people who know more than you that you know you can depend on. These people are comfortable in their situations. Some will take the leap with you while others cannot afford to take the leap do to life situations, and the fact that if you take off they will have opportunity to rise and fill your gap.


I know. I was asking for my out-of-work (but talented) friends. OK, OK, and for me, too...

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Reply #11 posted 02/11/07 9:32pm

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Stax said:

karmatornado said:



The hypothetical situation involves going to a place with a storied past, but do to other business opening up in the area, some talented workers have left. But the economic support and staff support are there, the only problem is due to there history they would like to see a complete turnaround in the next 2 years. The first year is a free pass. The problem is you know that you can only take so many co workers with you and you may be working with less talent.


Leaders do more with less.


Excellent point. The only thing that scares the leader is he is rather young, and will have the "old guard" of company investors breathing hard down his neck because he is not part of the old boys network.
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Reply #12 posted 02/11/07 9:34pm

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karmatornado said:

Stax said:



Leaders do more with less.


Excellent point. The only thing that scares the leader is he is rather young, and will have the "old guard" of company investors breathing hard down his neck because he is not part of the old boys network.


Success rarely comes easy.
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Reply #13 posted 02/11/07 9:39pm

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Stax said:

karmatornado said:



Excellent point. The only thing that scares the leader is he is rather young, and will have the "old guard" of company investors breathing hard down his neck because he is not part of the old boys network.


Success rarely comes easy.


As a person who I know has had experience with moving to different companies, what sound advice would you give? So far the advice given has made sense. Care to add anything else? Oh and moving from family plays a small part.
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Reply #14 posted 02/11/07 9:44pm

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karmatornado said:

Stax said:



Success rarely comes easy.


As a person who I know has had experience with moving to different companies, what sound advice would you give? So far the advice given has made sense. Care to add anything else? Oh and moving from family plays a small part.


Moving away from family is a tough one. I'd never fault you for passing up a job opportunity for family reasons. There are priorities in life.


Other than that, make sure to do your due diligence work. You need to know what you are getting yourself into. Research.
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Reply #15 posted 02/11/07 9:50pm

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Stax said:

karmatornado said:



As a person who I know has had experience with moving to different companies, what sound advice would you give? So far the advice given has made sense. Care to add anything else? Oh and moving from family plays a small part.


Moving away from family is a tough one. I'd never fault you for passing up a job opportunity for family reasons. There are priorities in life.


Other than that, make sure to do your due diligence work. You need to know what you are getting yourself into. Research.


Family, not taking trusted advisors, and the fact that 4 persons in the past 8 years have been removed from the position is the only factors leaving doubt. The neighborhood is nicer, the pay is better, the thrill of starting from nothing is exciting, the community support and financial backing is much easier to gain, and the fact that if one rights the ship they pretty much write their own career path ticket is nice.
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Reply #16 posted 02/11/07 9:55pm

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karmatornado said:

Stax said:



Moving away from family is a tough one. I'd never fault you for passing up a job opportunity for family reasons. There are priorities in life.


Other than that, make sure to do your due diligence work. You need to know what you are getting yourself into. Research.


Family, not taking trusted advisors, and the fact that 4 persons in the past 8 years have been removed from the position is the only factors leaving doubt. The neighborhood is nicer, the pay is better, the thrill of starting from nothing is exciting, the community support and financial backing is much easier to gain, and the fact that if one rights the ship they pretty much write their own career path ticket is nice.



Of the three factors, only family seems like a real issue to me. I would not worry about the failures of your predecessors. They are not you. As for trusted advisors, you will find more.
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Reply #17 posted 02/11/07 10:08pm

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Sage advice!
[Edited 2/11/07 22:10pm]
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Reply #18 posted 02/12/07 5:28am

Mach

I'd stick

So what are you going to do ?
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Reply #19 posted 02/12/07 9:44am

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Mach said:

I'd stick

So what are you going to do ?


How do you know it me? lol The hypothetical person must see how next weeks interview process and see how the living location is before they jump to conclusions.
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Reply #20 posted 02/12/07 9:45am

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karmatornado said:

Mach said:

I'd stick

So what are you going to do ?


How do you know it me? lol The hypothetical person must see how next weeks interview process and see how the living location is before they jump to conclusions.


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Reply #21 posted 02/12/07 9:52am

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Mach said:

karmatornado said:



How do you know it me? lol The hypothetical person must see how next weeks interview process and see how the living location is before they jump to conclusions.


I'm your Mom ..I KNOW things rolleyes omg


Moms know best right! lol
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Reply #22 posted 02/12/07 9:58am

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karmatornado said:

The only thing is on this ship has been adrift for well over a decade, do you still take the leap?

I would take the job, but I don't like boats. I get sea-sick!

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Reply #23 posted 02/12/07 10:00am

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fathermcmeekle said:

karmatornado said:

The only thing is on this ship has been adrift for well over a decade, do you still take the leap?

I would take the job, but I don't like boats. I get sea-sick!

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Reply #24 posted 02/12/07 11:11am

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I wouldn't want to take over a failing business and start more or less from scratch. Then I'd rather start from scratch with my own business and an idea I believed in more instead.
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