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Thread started 02/11/07 6:46pm

Fauxie

PHOTOGRAPHERS of the org - a little help?

What version of Photoshop do you use and/or recommend? I need to be able to work with RAW files, so do I have to get a separate plug-in? I'm downloading CS2 at the moment - is this worthwhile?

My problem is that currently I'm shooting jpeg, editing them in ACDSee Pro (clone tool, levels, occasionally colour), saving them, using the Neat Image demo to fliter out noise and by the time I'm done my 3.5MB file has dwindled to 1MB or sometimes less.

What's your process for getting images on to your computer, editing them and making them the best you can without ruining them along the way?

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Reply #1 posted 02/11/07 6:51pm

Mach

I just use Adobe ...

I am used to it, it's easy and it does what I need

I don't do fancy stuff though

I just really wanted to say Hi wave




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[Edited 2/11/07 18:52pm]
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Reply #2 posted 02/11/07 6:54pm

Fauxie

Mach said:

I just use Adobe ...

I am used to it, it's easy and it does what I need

I don't do fancy stuff though

I just really wanted to say Hi wave




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[Edited 2/11/07 18:52pm]


Hey Mach! hug

Thanks for being so friendly and ultimately unhelpful. wink
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Reply #3 posted 02/11/07 6:56pm

Mach

Fauxie said:

Mach said:

I just use Adobe ...

I am used to it, it's easy and it does what I need

I don't do fancy stuff though

I just really wanted to say Hi wave




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[Edited 2/11/07 18:52pm]


Hey Mach! hug

Thanks for being so friendly and ultimately unhelpful. wink


lol

my pleasure

confused I'm kinda good at it
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Reply #4 posted 02/11/07 6:57pm

Imago

Photoshop is by far the best.

Though I'm really no expert.

I just joined this thread to dote on you. mushy
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Reply #5 posted 02/11/07 6:59pm

Mach

Imago said:

Photoshop is by far the best.

Though I'm really no expert.

I just joined this thread to dote on you. mushy


highfive
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Reply #6 posted 02/11/07 7:00pm

Imago

Mach said:

Imago said:

Photoshop is by far the best.

Though I'm really no expert.

I just joined this thread to dote on you. mushy


highfive



giggle

Fauxie is like vanilla. Sure, you say it's plane, you put it in everything that goes in your mouth.
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Reply #7 posted 02/11/07 7:02pm

bkw

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I use lots and lots of handcream. nod

works a treat! woot!
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #8 posted 02/11/07 7:04pm

Mach

Imago said:

Mach said:



highfive



giggle

Fauxie's kiss, it's like vanilla. Sure, you say it's plain, I hope he puts some on everything that goes in my mouth.



whofarted




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Reply #9 posted 02/11/07 7:09pm

Shanti1

Imago said:

Mach said:



highfive



giggle

Fauxie is like vanilla. Sure, you say it's plane, you put it in everything that goes in your mouth.



Oh he is sweeter then vanilla....ok I will stop there... wink
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Reply #10 posted 02/11/07 7:10pm

Fauxie

Well, I can see I'm going to get no useful help whatsoever so I may as well make the most of Imago's horrible doting and suffocating cloying affections. sigh

So like... something gay and sexy batting eyes
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Reply #11 posted 02/11/07 7:13pm

Imago

Fauxie said:

Well, I can see I'm going to get no useful help whatsoever so I may as well make the most of Imago's horrible doting and suffocating cloying affections. sigh

So like... something gay and sexy batting eyes


I have photoshop CS2 and was not able to work with RAW files for some reason.
I take it you're using a Canon camera of some type?


Photoshop supports the most file types and works flawlessly with lossless compression---it can even smartly compress the file to look it's best.
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Reply #12 posted 02/11/07 7:14pm

SammiJ

i like iphoto shrug
but i have yet to get photoshop cs2 for my mac, so yeah.
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Reply #13 posted 02/11/07 7:22pm

Fauxie

Imago said:

Fauxie said:

Well, I can see I'm going to get no useful help whatsoever so I may as well make the most of Imago's horrible doting and suffocating cloying affections. sigh

So like... something gay and sexy batting eyes


I have photoshop CS2 and was not able to work with RAW files for some reason.
I take it you're using a Canon camera of some type?


Photoshop supports the most file types and works flawlessly with lossless compression---it can even smartly compress the file to look it's best.


Well, I'm planning to get a Nikon D80 in the next few months. At the moment I have an Olympus SP500uz (6MP). It's alright, but horribly slow at everything and has no image stabilization so requires the steadiest hand for nearly every pic.

I think I read there's a plug-in to be able to use RAW? hmmm I don't intend to buy any software, apart from maybe copied photo editing software packages from Phanthip. I was rather hoping to be able to download everything I need. lol Do jpegs lose much quality in Photoshop when you work with them? Is there a lossless jpeg format at all? I want to use Neat Image as it's the best noise filter I've ever used, but I'm keen to cut down on how many steps I take between getting the pics from my camera to the final edited photo, which would have to be in jpeg format ultimately.

Thanks again for the Smiths t-shirt. hug A spaced-out American hippy in Penang saw me wearing it and just out of the blue started talking to me about them, asking me if they were still going.

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Reply #14 posted 02/11/07 7:26pm

Imago

Fauxie said:

Imago said:



I have photoshop CS2 and was not able to work with RAW files for some reason.
I take it you're using a Canon camera of some type?


Photoshop supports the most file types and works flawlessly with lossless compression---it can even smartly compress the file to look it's best.


Well, I'm planning to get a Nikon D80 in the next few months. At the moment I have an Olympus SP500uz (6MP). It's alright, but horribly slow at everything and has no image stabilization so requires the steadiest hand for nearly every pic.

I think I read there's a plug-in to be able to use RAW? hmmm I don't intend to buy any software, apart from maybe copied photo editing software packages from Phanthip. I was rather hoping to be able to download everything I need. lol Do jpegs lose much quality in Photoshop when you work with them? Is there a lossless jpeg format at all? I want to use Neat Image as it's the best noise filter I've ever used, but I'm keen to cut down on how many steps I take between getting the pics from my camera to the final edited photo, which would have to be in jpeg format ultimately.

Thanks again for the Smiths t-shirt. hug A spaced-out American hippy in Penang saw me wearing it and just out of the blue started talking to me about them, asking me if they were still going.

...
[Edited 2/11/07 19:24pm]


Photoshop can minimum jpeg dataloss (Every time you do a "Save as" it will ask you how large you want the jpeg file--the quality you want it).

But jpeg always loses data. Photoshop does a stunning job at minimizing that though. And for small photos (8x10 or smaller) most folks can't tell the difference.
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Reply #15 posted 02/11/07 7:30pm

Fauxie

Imago said:

Fauxie said:



Well, I'm planning to get a Nikon D80 in the next few months. At the moment I have an Olympus SP500uz (6MP). It's alright, but horribly slow at everything and has no image stabilization so requires the steadiest hand for nearly every pic.

I think I read there's a plug-in to be able to use RAW? hmmm I don't intend to buy any software, apart from maybe copied photo editing software packages from Phanthip. I was rather hoping to be able to download everything I need. lol Do jpegs lose much quality in Photoshop when you work with them? Is there a lossless jpeg format at all? I want to use Neat Image as it's the best noise filter I've ever used, but I'm keen to cut down on how many steps I take between getting the pics from my camera to the final edited photo, which would have to be in jpeg format ultimately.

Thanks again for the Smiths t-shirt. hug A spaced-out American hippy in Penang saw me wearing it and just out of the blue started talking to me about them, asking me if they were still going.

...
[Edited 2/11/07 19:24pm]


Photoshop can minimum jpeg dataloss (Every time you do a "Save as" it will ask you how large you want the jpeg file--the quality you want it).

But jpeg always loses data. Photoshop does a stunning job at minimizing that though. And for small photos (8x10 or smaller) most folks can't tell the difference.


Cool. Well that'd certainly be better than how I'm doing things now. Thing is, all I want are some basic editing functions and the cloning tool. Every time I've opened up photoshop in the past I've just become completely lost. It's quite daunting. boxed Damn this digital photography. This is like music production all over again. Gimme the 02R desk and I'm fine, but gimme Cubase and I'm fucked. lol
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Reply #16 posted 02/12/07 1:18am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

Imago said:



Photoshop can minimum jpeg dataloss (Every time you do a "Save as" it will ask you how large you want the jpeg file--the quality you want it).

But jpeg always loses data. Photoshop does a stunning job at minimizing that though. And for small photos (8x10 or smaller) most folks can't tell the difference.


Cool. Well that'd certainly be better than how I'm doing things now. Thing is, all I want are some basic editing functions and the cloning tool. Every time I've opened up photoshop in the past I've just become completely lost. It's quite daunting. boxed Damn this digital photography. This is like music production all over again. Gimme the 02R desk and I'm fine, but gimme Cubase and I'm fucked. lol


I use photoshop with my D50, but I shot some RAW files, and for the life of me can't get the raw camera plug-in to recognise the files mad
I managed to get it working for retina over the phone, but for myself NFI boxed
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Reply #17 posted 02/12/07 2:11am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:



Cool. Well that'd certainly be better than how I'm doing things now. Thing is, all I want are some basic editing functions and the cloning tool. Every time I've opened up photoshop in the past I've just become completely lost. It's quite daunting. boxed Damn this digital photography. This is like music production all over again. Gimme the 02R desk and I'm fine, but gimme Cubase and I'm fucked. lol


I use photoshop with my D50, but I shot some RAW files, and for the life of me can't get the raw camera plug-in to recognise the files mad
I managed to get it working for retina over the phone, but for myself NFI boxed


My download of Photoshop CS2 is almost complete and I've downloaded that RAW plug-in from the Adobe site. I wonder if it'll work for me. My crappy camera (and you know since your husband has it) is listed there as compatible.

I love your pics. thumbs up!
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Reply #18 posted 02/12/07 2:27am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

ZombieKitten said:



I use photoshop with my D50, but I shot some RAW files, and for the life of me can't get the raw camera plug-in to recognise the files mad
I managed to get it working for retina over the phone, but for myself NFI boxed


My download of Photoshop CS2 is almost complete and I've downloaded that RAW plug-in from the Adobe site. I wonder if it'll work for me. My crappy camera (and you know since your husband has it) is listed there as compatible.

I love your pics. thumbs up!


ooh give me the link!

hug thank you!!!
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Reply #19 posted 02/12/07 2:29am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:



My download of Photoshop CS2 is almost complete and I've downloaded that RAW plug-in from the Adobe site. I wonder if it'll work for me. My crappy camera (and you know since your husband has it) is listed there as compatible.

I love your pics. thumbs up!


ooh give me the link!

hug thank you!!!


http://www.adobe.com/prod...raraw.html

Do you like your D50? Would you recommend Nikon? I'm considering the D80 when it comes down in price just a little.
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Reply #20 posted 02/12/07 2:32am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

ZombieKitten said:



ooh give me the link!

hug thank you!!!


http://www.adobe.com/prod...raraw.html

Do you like your D50? Would you recommend Nikon? I'm considering the D80 when it comes down in price just a little.



ooh hope this works for me! excited

yes I love it nod
I wish it had more megapixels, but it will do just fine I think
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Reply #21 posted 02/12/07 2:35am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:



http://www.adobe.com/prod...raraw.html

Do you like your D50? Would you recommend Nikon? I'm considering the D80 when it comes down in price just a little.



ooh hope this works for me! excited

yes I love it nod
I wish it had more megapixels, but it will do just fine I think


megapixels are (somewhat) overrated though. I know your 6MP camera takes better pics than this also 6MP Olympus crap I have, so imagine my frustration. At least you have a good camera capable of taking good photographs. lol

The D80 is 10MP, which should see me right for a while. 8 or 10 really makes little difference though. shrug
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Reply #22 posted 02/12/07 2:39am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

ZombieKitten said:




ooh hope this works for me! excited

yes I love it nod
I wish it had more megapixels, but it will do just fine I think


megapixels are (somewhat) overrated though. I know your 6MP camera takes better pics than this also 6MP Olympus crap I have, so imagine my frustration. At least you have a good camera capable of taking good photographs. lol

The D80 is 10MP, which should see me right for a while. 8 or 10 really makes little difference though. shrug


I could use the camera as part of my work, but I am limited how large they can be printed.

and yes, my camera does shit all over yours, and I say that from experience, and I am sorry hug I tried very hard to take good photos with the Olympus, and it was just too slow.
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Reply #23 posted 02/12/07 2:48am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:



megapixels are (somewhat) overrated though. I know your 6MP camera takes better pics than this also 6MP Olympus crap I have, so imagine my frustration. At least you have a good camera capable of taking good photographs. lol

The D80 is 10MP, which should see me right for a while. 8 or 10 really makes little difference though. shrug


I could use the camera as part of my work, but I am limited how large they can be printed.

and yes, my camera does shit all over yours, and I say that from experience, and I am sorry hug I tried very hard to take good photos with the Olympus, and it was just too slow.


Yeah! Let's rag on my camera! Notice how it's got no image stabilisation so you have to be able to stop breathing to get an in focus picture? And yes it's so fucking pedestrian in every way. A RAW image takes about 7 or 8 seconds to process, almost the same just to look at when scrolling through pics on the camera, and just turning the thing on takes a good few seconds, not to mention how poor it is at taking pictures of anything even thinking about moving. mad

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Reply #24 posted 02/12/07 2:51am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

ZombieKitten said:



I could use the camera as part of my work, but I am limited how large they can be printed.

and yes, my camera does shit all over yours, and I say that from experience, and I am sorry hug I tried very hard to take good photos with the Olympus, and it was just too slow.


Yeah! Let's rag on my camera! Notice how it's got no image stabilisation so you have to be able to stop breathing to get an in focus picture? And yes it's so fucking pedestrian in every way. A RAW image takes about 7 or 8 seconds to process, almost the same just to look at when scrolling through pics on the camera, and just turning the thing on takes a good few seconds, not to mention how poor it is of taking pictures of any even thinking about moving. mad


like of kids
I tried to take about 10 pics of the kids and gave up.
mad

ALTHOUGH, I did take all the pics for this with that camera:
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Reply #25 posted 02/12/07 2:52am

Fauxie

Ooh, the download has finished. I'm off to see if I can get it working (yeah yeah, working crack file, they all say that rolleyes ) and then try to get the RAW plug-in working. Wish me luck!
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Reply #26 posted 02/12/07 2:54am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

Ooh, the download has finished. I'm off to see if I can get it working (yeah yeah, working crack file, they all say that rolleyes ) and then try to get the RAW plug-in working. Wish me luck!


omg it worked for me! woohoo! woot!
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Reply #27 posted 02/12/07 2:54am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:



Yeah! Let's rag on my camera! Notice how it's got no image stabilisation so you have to be able to stop breathing to get an in focus picture? And yes it's so fucking pedestrian in every way. A RAW image takes about 7 or 8 seconds to process, almost the same just to look at when scrolling through pics on the camera, and just turning the thing on takes a good few seconds, not to mention how poor it is of taking pictures of any even thinking about moving. mad


like of kids
I tried to take about 10 pics of the kids and gave up.
mad

ALTHOUGH, I did take all the pics for this with that camera:



I like those. Yeah, it's possible. I have a few successes by wringing what I can out of it, but overall I find it pretty amateurish and it just doesn't make me feel like I'm going to get anything really good.
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Reply #28 posted 02/12/07 2:56am

ZombieKitten

Fauxie said:

I like those. Yeah, it's possible. I have a few successes by wringing what I can out of it, but overall I find it pretty amateurish and it just doesn't make me feel like I'm going to get anything really good.


I had to photoshop it a lot though to make it look like a proper photo lol
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Reply #29 posted 02/12/07 4:19am

Fauxie

ZombieKitten said:

Fauxie said:

I like those. Yeah, it's possible. I have a few successes by wringing what I can out of it, but overall I find it pretty amateurish and it just doesn't make me feel like I'm going to get anything really good.


I had to photoshop it a lot though to make it look like a proper photo lol


I bet! lol

I just took a pic in RAW and opened it in Photoshop to test it all out. The available editing features are tiny compared what you get with plain ol' jpegs. That doesn't bother me, although I'm so used to the simple level, contrast, colour and especially photo repair tools on ACDSee Pro it was a bit overwhelming even so. When I saved the 8.6MB RAW file to the highest jepg setting it came out at just under 3MB. Not too bad, but when I opened it in Neat Image to filter out noise (I think it's better than PS) all the colours were distorted. sad Maybe I need to get more than the demo version, but I have a funny feeling it'll still happen. Do you just use the noise filtering in PS? I just don't find the layout of the buttons and everything as intuitive. I want to get my jpegs edited and everything and coming out the other end without losing too much, but I really like Neat Image. bawl
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