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Reply #60 posted 02/07/07 12:16pm

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Reply #61 posted 02/07/07 4:38pm

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Steadwood said:

[b][color=darkblue]The use of "ear candles" is perfectly safe if carried out by a trained practitioner using quality products, but should never be done by someone inexperienced or carried out on ones self.




But it still doesn't work. You can do the same procedure to a plastic mold of a human ear and get the same result. lol
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Reply #62 posted 02/08/07 10:29am

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jtfolden said:

Steadwood said:

The use of "ear candles" is perfectly safe if carried out by a trained practitioner using quality products, but should never be done by someone inexperienced or carried out on ones self.




But it still doesn't work. You can do the same procedure to a plastic mold of a human ear and get the same result. lol


Ears some I did earlier doh!


omfg omg

Seriously... They are effective and do work if administered correctly....

...That said they don't always work for everyone all of the time.


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Reply #63 posted 02/08/07 11:15am

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not sure ... how accurate .. but found this on "straight dope"

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How do "ear candles" work? Recently my hearing became impaired, and I was advised that my ears were impacted with wax. A friend recommended that the wax could be removed if I stuck a candle in my ear and lighted the other end. To humor her, I accompanied her to a homeopathic-remedy shop. Ear candles were prominently displayed. An ear candle is a hollow paper cone impregnated with ordinary candle wax. The large end is about one inch in diameter. The other end is small enough to go into the ear. As I lay on my side with the candle in place, my friend lighted the other end. The candle burned slowly and smoothly, with (I was told) some wisps of smoke circulating downward to the small end. There was no discomfort or noticeable warmth. After about ten minutes she removed the candle and snuffed out the flame. Immediately my hearing in that ear was back to normal. The end of the cone had a considerable amount of earwax in it. The process was equally successful in the other ear. --Saxe Dobrin, Santa Monica, California

Dear Saxe:

Uh-huh. Not that I'd ever doubt the Teeming Millions, but I prefer to conduct my own experiments. Ear candling is the latest New Age fad, being to the 90s what colonic irrigation was to the 80s. Colonic irrigation was never a procedure I was inclined to investigate close up. But with ear candles I figured, how bad can it be?

Having rounded up a couple of MDs and a volunteer candlee, I went to my neighborhood new-age apothecary shop to buy ear candles. I discovered to my surprise that (1) they were 11 inches long--I'd assumed they were the size of a birthday candle--and (2) they cost $3.50 each. This gets you a hollow cone made of wax-impregnated cloth with a raw-materials cost of maybe ten cents, a profit margin that makes even ballpark hot dogs look like a deal.

Figuring that the MDs' medical education had probably been a little light in the ear-candling department, I also bought an ear-candling manual. In the "theory and research" section I read that "the low flame of the [ear candle] wick creates a slow vacuum which softens and pulls the old wax into the base of the candle." I had no idea what a slow vacuum was, but I was prepared to believe a candle might cause earwax to wick up.

I read on. "Our theory is that [various benefits] are possible because all the passages in the head are interconnected, allowing the candles to drain the entire system osmotically through the membrane of the ear. . . . All nerves have a thin coating of spinal fluid which can become polluted. The fluid in your body circulates 14 times a day in order to cleanse itself. . . . Our cranial bones become misaligned. . . . [Candling] cleans the lymphs within this structure as well as the cochlear hairs themselves." Whew, too deep for me. But the manual did have pictures, so even dopes could do it right.

The medical team consisted of Keith Block, a family practitioner with an interest in alternative medicine, and Cecil's good friend Clark Federer. Clark was a surgeon rather than an ear-nose-throat guy, but I meant to be prepared for any eventuality. Our subject was Pat, a 30-year-old male who'd had earwax removed via conventional medical treatment some years earlier.

First we peered into Pat's ears with an otoscope, the familiar flashlight-type examining device. The poor guy had enough wax in there to make his own candles. We put him on the table, lit the candle, and stuck it in his ear in the prescribed manner. Then we watched, struggling to suppress the thought that we should also be chanting and maybe sacrificing small animals.

When the candle had burned down to two inches we snuffed it and examined the treated ear with the otoscope. No change, except that possibly the wax was dented where the candle had been stuck in. Upon slicing open the candle stub, however, we found a considerable quantity of brown wax and whitish powder. The manual had the audacity to intimate that the powder was candida yeast extracted from the ear, conceding that possibly "1% to 10%" was from the used candle. The disappointed MDs were more inclined to say it was 100 percent, but just to be sure we burned another candle in the open air. When we sliced it open we found wax and powder identical to that in the first. Conclusion: it's a hoax. Ain't it always the way? Maybe we're not doing enemas anymore, but we're winding up with the same old stuff.

YOUR WORST FEARS CONFIRMED

As an otolaryngologist with 15 years' experience, I have had more than one occasion on which a victim of ear candling has presented to my office with excruciating symptoms caused by melted wax adhering to the eardrum. This often necessitates minor surgery and puts the patient's hearing at risk. In addition to debunking the efficacy of ear candling, you should mention the inherent danger to hearing. --C. Christopher Smith, MD, FACS, Dover, New Hampshire
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Reply #64 posted 02/08/07 11:22am

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I am still completely mystified over this ear candle thing. I cannot picture how this works lol
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Reply #65 posted 02/08/07 11:27am

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Steadwood said:


Seriously... They are effective and do work if administered correctly....



Seriously... they don't work. It's a sham. The residue is from the candles themselves, at best.

http://www.cbc.ca/consume...index.html


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iy...lle_e.html
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Reply #66 posted 02/08/07 11:28am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am still completely mystified over this ear candle thing. I cannot picture how this works lol


err, how it doesn't work, actually:

http://www.abundanthealth...c.html#exp

DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!
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Reply #67 posted 02/08/07 11:30am

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i cant remember who did it ... to me .. or who even brought up the idea .... it was several years ago ... and right away i questioned it ...

it probably was my sis in law ... who is always doin stuff like colonics and "crap " like that ... lol

but right away i said ... come on .. that is just the wax from the candle ... but ... in this forum ... right here ... its kinda hard to explain ... wink
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Reply #68 posted 02/08/07 1:21pm

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Richard, be careful following any advice here (other than AVOIDING EAR CANDLING, which is very, very good advice -- doesn't work, you could destroy your eardrum nod ).

You should see an ENT specialist. Tell them you don't want to take meds and ask what the next best thing is in YOUR case.

Dealing with this depends on how much of the eustachian tube blockage is caused by actual fluid/debris vs inflammation. Rinsing things out isn't gonna help if it's inflammation.

If it's infection, messing with pH and using selective "natural" antimicrobials could actually make the problem worse.

If it's really just goop, your ENT will recommend the best way to deal with it. A lot of solutions are simple, cheap, and "natural" (whatever the hell that means). Often just saline solution and/or mineral oil.

You should also consider the possibility of food allergies as well as inhalent allergies. It's hard to change what you breathe unless you don't leave the house, but you can change what you eat. Many, many people are allergic to dairy and/or various grains.


So, yeah, it's complicated, you can't know what to do without knowing more specifics about the cause; see a doctor. rose
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Reply #69 posted 02/08/07 1:30pm

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Steadwood said:

jtfolden said:




But it still doesn't work. You can do the same procedure to a plastic mold of a human ear and get the same result. lol


Ears some I did earlier doh!


omfg omg

Seriously... They are effective and do work if administered correctly....

...That said they don't always work for everyone all of the time.


smile[/color][/b]


Is one of those a control? Meaning, it was burned held against something other than an ear? If not, you're ignoring the plastic mold comment. If so, you've proven that it's the candle and not the ear.

And if the wax were coming from the ear, wouldn't it be in the OTHER end of the paper/cone, rather than the burning end? It would flow upward, not magically appear at the top of the cone.

AND they are suspiciously identical. Don't know about you people, but when I clean my ears, they aren't equally gunky.


C'mon. lol
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Reply #70 posted 02/08/07 1:46pm

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This is just MO, from personal experience. I have done the ear candling, and for me and my family it doeswork. Now, that's not to say it's for everyone, and I am in no way, shape, form, or fashion telling anyone to do this, as I am not a doctor. I am just someone who was at the end of my rope before a Prince concert and my hearing sounded to me like I was in the bottom of a barrel, a friend suggested these ear candles, and they worked!!! I was sooo excited excited.I use them roughly every 4-5 months. Remember, this is just my experience. Best of luck to you, I hope you find something that works. wink
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Reply #71 posted 02/08/07 2:09pm

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hisfan4ever said:

This is just MO, from personal experience. I have done the ear candling, and for me and my family it doeswork.


I would seriously recommend you talk to a credible medical professional before continuing to put you and yours at risk, especially if children are involved.

The reason why select people claim to feel a benefit afterwards is sometimes due to the "message", pressure and movement of the ear canals during the 'procedure' (in other words, just fiddling with them in a warm environment). Something that could just as easily be accomplished with a Q-tip dipped in warm (but not hot) water.
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Reply #72 posted 02/08/07 5:02pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am still completely mystified over this ear candle thing. I cannot picture how this works lol



Follow your doctors advise...

There has been far too much conflicting information here and correctly so ... it is the wrong place to seek such advise.


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Reply #73 posted 02/08/07 5:05pm

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Steadwood said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am still completely mystified over this ear candle thing. I cannot picture how this works lol



Follow your doctors advise...

There has been far too much conflicting information here and correctly so ... it is the wrong place to seek such advise.


smile


NO!! YOU'RE TOTALLY WRONG!! THIS IS THE PLACE FOR ADVICE!!











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Reply #74 posted 02/08/07 5:20pm

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HereToRockYourWorld said:

Steadwood said:



Ears some I did earlier doh!


omfg omg

Seriously... They are effective and do work if administered correctly....

...That said they don't always work for everyone all of the time.


smile[/color][/b]


Is one of those a control? Meaning, it was burned held against something other than an ear? If not, you're ignoring the plastic mold comment. If so, you've proven that it's the candle and not the ear.

And if the wax were coming from the ear, wouldn't it be in the OTHER end of the paper/cone, rather than the burning end? It would flow upward, not magically appear at the top of the cone.

AND they are suspiciously identical. Don't know about you people, but when I clean my ears, they aren't equally gunky.


C'mon. lol



These candles were used on a client of mine..(permissione given for photos)

I had the same make of candles used on myself with no such result.. just the powder which is in the candles to retain the wax drawn up by the resulting vacuum.

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Reply #75 posted 02/08/07 5:27pm

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SnidelyWhiplash said:

not sure ... how accurate .. but found this on "straight dope"

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How do "ear candles" work? Recently my hearing became impaired, and I was advised that my ears were impacted with wax. A friend recommended that the wax could be removed if I stuck a candle in my ear and lighted the other end. To humor her, I accompanied her to a homeopathic-remedy shop. Ear candles were prominently displayed. An ear candle is a hollow paper cone impregnated with ordinary candle wax. The large end is about one inch in diameter. The other end is small enough to go into the ear. As I lay on my side with the candle in place, my friend lighted the other end. The candle burned slowly and smoothly, with (I was told) some wisps of smoke circulating downward to the small end. There was no discomfort or noticeable warmth. After about ten minutes she removed the candle and snuffed out the flame. Immediately my hearing in that ear was back to normal. The end of the cone had a considerable amount of earwax in it. The process was equally successful in the other ear. --Saxe Dobrin, Santa Monica, California

Dear Saxe:

Uh-huh. Not that I'd ever doubt the Teeming Millions, but I prefer to conduct my own experiments. Ear candling is the latest New Age fad, being to the 90s what colonic irrigation was to the 80s. Colonic irrigation was never a procedure I was inclined to investigate close up. But with ear candles I figured, how bad can it be?

Having rounded up a couple of MDs and a volunteer candlee, I went to my neighborhood new-age apothecary shop to buy ear candles. I discovered to my surprise that (1) they were 11 inches long--I'd assumed they were the size of a birthday candle--and (2) they cost $3.50 each. This gets you a hollow cone made of wax-impregnated cloth with a raw-materials cost of maybe ten cents, a profit margin that makes even ballpark hot dogs look like a deal.

Figuring that the MDs' medical education had probably been a little light in the ear-candling department, I also bought an ear-candling manual. In the "theory and research" section I read that "the low flame of the [ear candle] wick creates a slow vacuum which softens and pulls the old wax into the base of the candle." I had no idea what a slow vacuum was, but I was prepared to believe a candle might cause earwax to wick up.

I read on. "Our theory is that [various benefits] are possible because all the passages in the head are interconnected, allowing the candles to drain the entire system osmotically through the membrane of the ear. . . . All nerves have a thin coating of spinal fluid which can become polluted. The fluid in your body circulates 14 times a day in order to cleanse itself. . . . Our cranial bones become misaligned. . . . [Candling] cleans the lymphs within this structure as well as the cochlear hairs themselves." Whew, too deep for me. But the manual did have pictures, so even dopes could do it right.

The medical team consisted of Keith Block, a family practitioner with an interest in alternative medicine, and Cecil's good friend Clark Federer. Clark was a surgeon rather than an ear-nose-throat guy, but I meant to be prepared for any eventuality. Our subject was Pat, a 30-year-old male who'd had earwax removed via conventional medical treatment some years earlier.

First we peered into Pat's ears with an otoscope, the familiar flashlight-type examining device. The poor guy had enough wax in there to make his own candles. We put him on the table, lit the candle, and stuck it in his ear in the prescribed manner. Then we watched, struggling to suppress the thought that we should also be chanting and maybe sacrificing small animals.

When the candle had burned down to two inches we snuffed it and examined the treated ear with the otoscope. No change, except that possibly the wax was dented where the candle had been stuck in. Upon slicing open the candle stub, however, we found a considerable quantity of brown wax and whitish powder. The manual had the audacity to intimate that the powder was candida yeast extracted from the ear, conceding that possibly "1% to 10%" was from the used candle. The disappointed MDs were more inclined to say it was 100 percent, but just to be sure we burned another candle in the open air. When we sliced it open we found wax and powder identical to that in the first. Conclusion: it's a hoax. Ain't it always the way? Maybe we're not doing enemas anymore, but we're winding up with the same old stuff.



YOUR WORST FEARS CONFIRMED

As an otolaryngologist with 15 years' experience, I have had more than one occasion on which a victim of ear candling has presented to my office with excruciating symptoms caused by melted wax adhering to the eardrum. This often necessitates minor surgery and puts the patient's hearing at risk. In addition to debunking the efficacy of ear candling, you should mention the inherent danger to hearing. --C. Christopher Smith, MD, FACS, Dover, New Hampshire

Were these treatments carried out by competent, qualified, registered and insured therapists/practitioners?


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Reply #76 posted 02/08/07 5:31pm

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jtfolden said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am still completely mystified over this ear candle thing. I cannot picture how this works lol


err, how it doesn't work, actually:

http://www.abundanthealth...c.html#exp

DANGER WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!
[Edited 2/8/07 11:28am]



You have no idea what you are talking about neutral


...or rather... we shall agree to disagree lol


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Reply #77 posted 02/08/07 6:07pm

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Steadwood said:

You have no idea what you are talking about neutral



Nevermind me, how about many dear and esteemed members of our medical profession?

I've yet to see a reputable doctor approve of this but have seen many warn of the extreme dangers.
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Reply #78 posted 02/08/07 6:21pm

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jtfolden said:

Steadwood said:

You have no idea what you are talking about neutral



Nevermind me, how about many dear and esteemed members of our medical profession?

I've yet to see a reputable doctor approve of this but have seen many warn of the extreme dangers.



As I keep repeating it is only dangerous when administered by an unqualified and inexperienced person.

The correct treatment administered by a competent therapist is safe.

I do admit there are many inexperienced and untrained people out there who don't give a damn as long as they are reaping the rewards. They give Complementary Therapists a bad name.

Please note that "Complementary" means to complement orthodox medical treatment... or in other words .. work alongside western medicine .... it is not an alternative treatment.


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Reply #79 posted 02/08/07 6:31pm

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Steadwood said:

As I keep repeating it is only dangerous when administered by an unqualified and inexperienced person.


Look, I'm not a junkie for 'western medicine' and I think complementary/alternative treatments are great as a general rule. I probably even prefer them in most cases.

However, in this particular case, I have never seen anyone reputable professional recommend this but I've seen plenty indicate it to be a sham. The established fact, and easily repeatable result, that you can get the same results from a plastic mold of an ear says quite a bit logically. In this particular case, I feel that no risk is worth it.

If you have some reliable data from a professional healthcare person of some sort then I'd love to see it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract
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Reply #80 posted 02/08/07 6:35pm

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I WILL USE ALL CAPS IN SAYING THIS BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU - DO NOT EVER DO EAR CANDLEING! I CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH! A DEAR ORGER DID THIS AND GOT HOT WAX ON HIS EARDRUM. THEY LITTERALLY HAD TO SCRAPE IT OFF, WHICH WAS VERY PAINFUL AND HE COULD HAVE LOST HIS HEARING. IT'S A FACT THAT EAR CANDLING DOES NOT CREATE ENOUGH OF A VACUUM TO ACTUALLY PULL WAX OUT.

And he is finally all better now but yes...very dangerous and scary.

My suggestion:

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Reply #81 posted 02/09/07 8:09am

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jtfolden said:

hisfan4ever said:

This is just MO, from personal experience. I have done the ear candling, and for me and my family it doeswork.


I would seriously recommend you talk to a credible medical professional before continuing to put you and yours at risk, especially if children are involved.

The reason why select people claim to feel a benefit afterwards is sometimes due to the "message", pressure and movement of the ear canals during the 'procedure' (in other words, just fiddling with them in a warm environment). Something that could just as easily be accomplished with a Q-tip dipped in warm (but not hot) water.

I did, and my MD had no issues with trying this as a alternative to say the ear washes/flushes available otc. And like I stated, it's not for everyone, it worked for us, that's all. ( and no, I wouldn't do this for my children, but my husband or other adults..yes). Children can't necessarily lay still long enough, or hold their heads in the right position for the candle to work properly. Just M.O., and u know what they say about those...either way I hope he finds some relief..somehow.
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Reply #82 posted 02/09/07 11:24am

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jtfolden said:

Steadwood said:

As I keep repeating it is only dangerous when administered by an unqualified and inexperienced person.


Look, I'm not a junkie for 'western medicine' and I think complementary/alternative treatments are great as a general rule. I probably even prefer them in most cases.

However, in this particular case, I have never seen anyone reputable professional recommend this but I've seen plenty indicate it to be a sham. The established fact, and easily repeatable result, that you can get the same results from a plastic mold of an ear says quite a bit logically. In this particular case, I feel that no risk is worth it.

If you have some reliable data from a professional healthcare person of some sort then I'd love to see it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.g...t=Abstract



First of all I owe you an apology for questioning your knowledge...my bad.

I have been looking further into this and indeed there are some questions to be answered.

In regards safety any injury is not acceptable ... and I can fully understand the concerns in relation to those who have been affected by them... I can also understand how people will be concerned by the articles reporting them.

I maintain that injury is due to bad practice and the product quality... there are many different styles of these candles out there and I personally wouldn't touch most of them.

It should also be noted that traditional western treatments aren't necessarily that safe either
http://www.besttreatments...20benefits

I will also be looking further at the end products left in the candle after use.

If ever I find the products or methods I use to be unsafe I will cease such treatments.


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Reply #83 posted 02/09/07 11:26am

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Supa I hope u read this: http://www.rnid.org.uk/in...inging.htm
Also read this website: http://search.nhsdirect.n...&sb=0&nh=3 This website is the National Health Service (NHS) in the UK


Please do not poke anything into your ears go 2 ur doctor.
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Reply #84 posted 02/09/07 11:29am

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Imago said:

1. Cut out all dairy

2. Buy an air filter from walmart (40 bucks are less). Make sure it uses a HEPA air filter (cost about 9 bucks a month for a new filter--replace monthly or more).

3. Wash your sheets EVERY WEEK. More often if you can tolerate it. Wash your sheets in 130 degree water. If you do not have a washer that has water that hot, then place your sheets in a larg plastic bag, and freeze them in your freezer over night--this kills dust mites just as affectively.

4. Ensure your house is free of cockroaches--their fecal matter cuases nasal problems in adults and exasterbates allergies.

5. A good fast (water for fruit if you can't do water) is great for clearing sinuses. After 3 days, your mucus hardens and after 5 days, you'll feel better. I don't expect you to do this though cuase it's refuted by alot of folks. ALl I can say is that when I do it, it works. fast.


wow -- great tips.

Richard , I suffer from the same thing to the extent that I'm tired a lot because I don't sleep well due to ear/nasal congestion. it's been that way for me since i was about 12. i stopped taking allergy medications years ago also, because the speedy and/or drowsy affects aren't worth it.

thanks for the thread!

I'm gonna give the Neti pot a whirl.
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