I can't wait to see Oscar De La Hoya beat Fernando Vargas up bruatally this weekend... it will be great!

"I've been having sweet dreams about seeing Vargas on the canvas, just laying there, his little hairs sticking up."

--Oscar de la Hoya

you may be waitin a long time,
although oscar did take his ass whippin from trinadad
alot better than vargas did.

00769BAD said:

That is true... in fact, Oscar was winning the fight and got too cautious at the end. I agree that he should have lost for turning it into a track meet at the end, but he totally outclassed Trinidad through the first half of the fight... I don't know why he thought that he could sit on his lead...

Vargas took a really bad KO at the hands of Trinidad... it was beautiful.

Ice, I think Vargas is gonna win to be honest!

divo02 said:

Yeah, I agree, and I hope he kicks his (ODH) ass twice around the ring.

divo02 said:

My reasoning behind picking DLH to win the fight is this:

DLH is a far superior boxer
DLH is faster than Vargas
DLH is a five division champion with much more experience
DLH is a smart boxer and will not engage in a war if he doesn't need to

Vargas is a natural 154 pounder, so the size advantage is definitely his. He also has greater natural power, but DLH has a very good chin, so I don't think that this will be a problem.

I don't actually believe that DLH will KO Vargas... I think that he will win a unanimous decision after a technical fight. If DLH does get a KO it will be because Vargas is taking this fight far too personally and is overhyped. DLH is very calm about the fight and should keep his head. If Vargas is as hyped as he seems, he will probably make mistakes that allow DLH to capitalize.

We all know that Vargas gets knocked down a LOT. DLH has the power to knock him down too and if DLH gets a couple of knockdowns in addition to outboxing him for 12 rounds, the decision should be unanimous in favor of DLH.

I don't see Vargas knocking DLH out or outboxing him, so I still have to go with DLH.

I could be wrong... I have been before

Though I'd love 2 see this fight, I hate Pay Per View! I'll wait the week out, then they'll show it on HBO.

My prediction: De La Hoya by decision...as usual.

I am for Oscar! But he needs to forget about being cautious, and come out swinging.

sag10 said:

I would love to see that too, but Vargas is a natural 154 pounder while DLH has come up five weight divisions during his career. He doesn't have the natural power that Vargas has, so that would be dangerous for him. I don't expect him to do it.

Remember what happened to DLH when he fought Sugar Shane Mosley? He thought that he had enough power to deal with Shane and got his ass handed to him... and that was at Welterweight instead of Light Middleweight.

I expect a technical boxing match from DLH in this one.

IceNine, I agree with most of your points. But, I think the main reason Oscar will beat Vargas is because...as in the Trinidad fight, Fernando was hurt mostly with left hooks. We went down quite a few times at the hands of Tito with that very punch.

With that being said, which punch is Oscar's best??? That's right, the LEFT HOOK!!

I can tell you right now, Fernando will be KO's by a series of left hooks in Round 4.

BTW, IceNine...Props on your knowledge of the sport. You know what you're talking about.

Strike

ThirdStrike said:

DLH could do it... but I think that he will be cautious. You do have a point though.

And thanks for the compliment... I am 189% into boxing! Boxing is the greatest of all sports in my opinion.

I cannot wait for Gatti vs. Ward II!!!

That is going to be great.

IceNine said:

Don't you hate when he does this???
THIS IS WHY I FIND IT HARD TO DISAGREE!!!
i want vargas to whoop the punks ass, but if he doesn't...
these will be the reasons why!!!

Yeah, me to Ice. I have been watching boxing since I was a little kid. And, being into my 30's now, I can say it's been quite a while!!

Yeah, that Gatti/Ward II fight should be great!! I know the first one was...I'd pick Ward (again) by late rounds stoppage. He's just too busy for Gatti (being he cuts very easily), and he would be forced to retire because of those cuts.

But, getting back to Hoya/Vargas, this one is gonna be the shit!! I live in L.A., and have followed both quite closely since they have been pros. And, I just think Oscar has more of an upside then Fernando. Plus, Vargas is to emotional to pace himself, and far too undisciplined to outbox Hoya. Well, that and the fact that I think Tito ruined him (as he did with Reid). Again, that's why I pick Oscar by 4th round KO (no, not TKO...KO)!!!

ThirdStrike said:

I hope that you are right on the KO! I want to see that... very bad!!!

And... DAMN... David "The American Dream" Reid was TOTALLY ruined... he was never the same.

IceNine said:

theC
This is gonna be GOOD.The really hat e each other and someone is definitly gonna touch the mat.I say oscar in seven.REMEMBER YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

Hey Ice, i see that Roy Jones Jnr won again the other day but I only caught the end of the fight.

Did he really say that he is going to move up another weight division?

bkw said:

He will not do it, but he claimed that he wanted to fight John Ruiz for the Heavyweight championship... this would be a jump of two weight divisions, as he is a light heavyweight. I find it unlikely that he will fight Ruiz because he refused to fight Vasily Jirov for the Cruiserweight championship and that is only one division higher.

He is just talking shit again.

IceNine said:

I Agree.I don't wanna see ROy Jones Jr Fight&Get Bigger&Get Hit on His Ass like Michael Spinks&be knocked out within 90 Seconds.John Ruiz might FLop like Vlade Divac but He can Punch.Roy Jones Jr won't last in that Weight Class IMHO.as far as the Fight Coming up:Vargas all the way.it's time for the Rickey Martin of Boxing to Be Knocked Out.

You know, I'm all for Oscar. But that's only because I think he looks alright.

mistermaxxx said:

I Agree.I don't wanna see ROy Jones Jr Fight&Get Bigger&Get Hit on His Ass like Michael Spinks&be knocked out within 90 Seconds.John Ruiz might FLop like Vlade Divac but He can Punch.Roy Jones Jr won't last in that Weight Class IMHO.as far as the Fight Coming up:Vargas all the way.it's time for the Rickey Martin of Boxing to Be Knocked Out.[/quote]

theC
you forget michael spinks beat every heavyweight he fought with the exception of tyson(who was at his peak).He beat larry holmes twice(well once for sure ) and gerry cooney.He was a pretty good heavyweight.Not great but very good.I think Roy could do pretty good as a heavyweight barring he doesn't fight lewis or klitsko he could beat most of them because i don't think they would be able to hit him(not solid anyway).
[This message was edited Mon Sep 9 19:29:41 PDT 2002 by theC]

IceNine said:

John Ruiz is the greatest champion of all time!!!
If you check the profile, you'll see that i'm a
little biased.

Oh, De La Hoya will win this fight!
[This message was edited Mon Sep 9 19:31:51 PDT 2002 by Revolution]

Revolution said:

theC
And maybe a little HIGH

Revolution said:

What's up "Quiet Man?"

I'm not as quiet as the 'big guy'...
I would have framed the front page story, with
the headline "JOHN RUIZ, NEW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP"
and mounted it up for all to see...u know,
if it ever made it in the paper.

Revolution said:

Do you think that Ruiz actually won any of his fights against Holyfield?

I think Ruiz won the first fight, but was robbed
of the decision. Holyfield is so hard to fight,
mostly because he's such a dirty fighter. He leads
with his head and elbows all the time.
Ruiz is disappointing to me, because he hasn't improved
on his skills. He has a GREAT opportunity, being the
first latino heavyweight champion, to show the world
his culture. He's got the size, and has good movement,
but i don't think his heart is into boxing...which is
a shame, because, we latino's are revered for our heart's
in the ring.

theC said:

theC
you forget michael spinks beat every heavyweight he fought with the exception of tyson(who was at his peak).He beat larry holmes twice(well once for sure ) and gerry cooney.He was a pretty good heavyweight.Not great but very good.I think Roy could do pretty good as a heavyweight barring he doesn't fight lewis or klitsko he could beat most of them because i don't think they would be able to hit him(not solid anyway).
[This message was edited Mon Sep 9 19:29:41 PDT 2002 by theC]
[/quote]Michael Spinks Balloned up&was out of Breath versus Mike Tyson.that Fight with Cooney was a battle&a Struggle for Spinks.He lost both those Fights to Holmes IMHO.Holmes knew the fix was in.Roy Jones Jr is better served Fighting in His Weigth Class don't get Himself out there&Jammed.I wanna See Him&Bernard Hopkins period.

Revolution said:

Holyfield is a Complex Fighter in the Vein of a Ken Norton Sr IMHO.but Holyfield has problems with SouthPaws&Cats that Stick&Jab Him.Holyfield has been Shot since that 2nd Tyson Fight IMHO.He should have Retired then.He Pimped a WIn Versus Ruiz the first time.Ruiz in that last Fight was the Floppy Vlade Divac to me.He can Brawl but that doesn't make a Great Fighter just ask Razor Ruddick&Before Him Ernie Shavers.

mistermaxxx said:

Michael Spinks Balloned up&was out of Breath versus Mike Tyson.that Fight with Cooney was a battle&a Struggle for Spinks.He lost both those Fights to Holmes IMHO.Holmes knew the fix was in.Roy Jones Jr is better served Fighting in His Weigth Class don't get Himself out there&Jammed.I wanna See Him&Bernard Hopkins period.[/quote]

theC
Michael Spinks Out of BREATH???He barely broke a sweat as the fight lasted 90 seconds.Tyson was simply too much for him.With larry you can give or take wether he won the first fight and i give larry the second.But either way he didn't lose by much to one of the greatest heavyweights EVER.He knocked out Cooney in seven in a fight he was dominating.I think Cooney only lost one other time at that time and that was to holmes.As for Roy he'll smoke hopkins again.It's will be boring.He's gonna have to move up to make a challenging fight.
[This message was edited Tue Sep 10 7:10:27 PDT 2002 by theC]

Damn, Ice, I was wondering when you'd get around to this one.

I for one can not stand Oscar De La Hoya. I lost any measure of respect for him when he ran from Trinidad for 5 rounds. I like boxers who come to fight and Vargas is an absolute warrior - a guy who lifted himself off the canvas time after time against a clearly superior Felix Trinidad.

I am so sick of Oscar and his Ricky Martin act - and Roy Jones Jr. too.

Jones is SO overrated it's rediculous, and his ring entrances and rap act are excruciatingly tired. I could've beat up that bastard he fought Saturday, and probably half the tomato cans he's faced in his career.

He's a fraud and a coward who's never faught a legitimate opponent in his career. i know, off topic...

Anyway: Vargas by knockout.