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Reply #90 posted 01/26/07 3:32am

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WHAT IN THE SAM HELL??? whofarted

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Reply #91 posted 01/26/07 4:33am

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Hmm. In France you can be fined for publicly inciting racial hatred. Whether this applies to gays or not, I'm not sure.
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Reply #92 posted 01/26/07 5:53am

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CalhounSq said:

WHAT IN THE SAM HELL??? whofarted

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Reply #93 posted 01/26/07 12:16pm

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ladygirl99 said:

lilgish said:


You might want to check into rehab....
[Edited 1/25/07 13:02pm]

And before you falsely suggested someone to go to a mental institution lil buddy next time have some solid evidence to back it up. At least I know people who works in the industry and therefore I know what I am talking about. Why? Because they tell me firsthand accounts about what is going on behind the scenes. From A-list and B-list stars having sex parties to Which groups has the influence and who doesn't. Gays has powerful influence in Hollywood in more ways than you think. Isaiah wasn't using his head when he said those slurs more than once and now his job on the line as he has to go to rehab of saying something that he felt. I sincerely hoped that everything works out for him in the long run for the sake of his career, but I don't know as the gays groups in Hollywood demand him to get fired and most of the cast doesn't want to work with him. If he hated gays he should have kept his mouth shut at least, enjoy his biggest break of his career (it might be his only one from the way it looks), and find a smarter way to fight his battles and learn the rules of the game.
Otherwise about your remark...rolleyes
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Dude it doesn't matter who and what you know. That's just not cool to say because it's not the complete truth. Plus I think lilgish was just joking. Saying the Jews run Hollywood is and has always been a rude, insulting stereotype. It's the same for gays.
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Reply #94 posted 01/26/07 12:18pm

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How bout juicin up the ratings even more...fire him and hire Michael Richards.


maybe michael richards, mel gibson and isaiah washington should make a movie called "three men and a little black jewish ladyman".



Put the 3 of them on a panel and let them sort out their differences.

MR can hate on IW, MG can question MR judaism, and IW can realize black people can say just as many dumbass things as the crackas.
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Reply #95 posted 01/26/07 12:35pm

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the original incident started it, and several of the other actors verified it, including t.r. himself on ellen. isiah denied saying it, and then said it at the globes, which made it worse than it was before.

he has since admited to calling him it to begin with

Yep. The real situation is not so much that he called TR a f*****, but that he said it, which then caused a physical fight. And when they were trying to handle the situation behind the scenes, he drew attention to it at a public press conference, that was supposed to be about their achievements, and he used the word again while doing so. Plus, he lied. This may never have been an issue had he just kept his mouth shut. Ppl may never have known what actually happened if it wasn't for him answering that question, and with a lie no less.

Then, again considering what he did at the press conference, he didn't seem to realize just how wrong he was to say that about TR, which means the situation may have never really been completely resolved. This new controversy may have been what he needed to really get him to realize the gravity of what he did and now true healing and resolution can begin.
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Reply #96 posted 01/26/07 5:27pm

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PurpleRighteous1 said:

ladygirl99 said:


And before you falsely suggested someone to go to a mental institution lil buddy next time have some solid evidence to back it up. At least I know people who works in the industry and therefore I know what I am talking about. Why? Because they tell me firsthand accounts about what is going on behind the scenes. From A-list and B-list stars having sex parties to Which groups has the influence and who doesn't. Gays has powerful influence in Hollywood in more ways than you think. Isaiah wasn't using his head when he said those slurs more than once and now his job on the line as he has to go to rehab of saying something that he felt. I sincerely hoped that everything works out for him in the long run for the sake of his career, but I don't know as the gays groups in Hollywood demand him to get fired and most of the cast doesn't want to work with him. If he hated gays he should have kept his mouth shut at least, enjoy his biggest break of his career (it might be his only one from the way it looks), and find a smarter way to fight his battles and learn the rules of the game.
Otherwise about your remark...rolleyes
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Dude it doesn't matter who and what you know. That's just not cool to say because it's not the complete truth. Plus I think lilgish was just joking. Saying the Jews run Hollywood is and has always been a rude, insulting stereotype. It's the same for gays.

First it all, Im a female not a dude. Second of all what so insulting about saying that? You acted like I said a homosexual slur or something. If you know what goes on behind the scenes or who have friends who works with these type of people everyday and tells you about it later, you would know that those two groups have very powerful influence in Hollywood now. I can think of one powerful gay person: David Geffen who runs Dreamworks (which almost pretty much Hollywood) and folks told me stories of people kissed his ass just to get what they want, or some folks just plain hated him but keeps their mouth shut if they want to keep their careers. Maybe you should read about this dude and his strong influence he have in this industry before dismissing my claims aas false, otherwise you only embarressing yourself. And this dude and his friends (like Glaad) can ruined the careers of folks who saying something that offended them like Isaiah. I am sure you awared of GLAAD is pressuring ABC to sack him. Im still mixed whether he should get fired or not but one rule you need to know in this business: never hurt the legs that makes you walk. Like I said I wished him the best amongst this controversy and hopefully learn from his mistakes. Don't get me started with the list of Jews are presidents/CEO of media and motion studio companies, or controls the media. I am not saying it is a bad thing but that how it is.

Also tell your friend it isn't too bright to make jokes about people he doesn't know too much about be refer to rehab because I have friends and relatives who suffers from mental illiness or have substance abuse problems and been in and out of rehabs, and it was living in hell, no laughing matter. I don't take rehab jokes lightly. neutral
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Reply #97 posted 01/26/07 8:42pm

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ladygirl99 said:

PurpleRighteous1 said:


Dude it doesn't matter who and what you know. That's just not cool to say because it's not the complete truth. Plus I think lilgish was just joking. Saying the Jews run Hollywood is and has always been a rude, insulting stereotype. It's the same for gays.

First it all, Im a female not a dude. Second of all what so insulting about saying that? You acted like I said a homosexual slur or something. If you know what goes on behind the scenes or who have friends who works with these type of people everyday and tells you about it later, you would know that those two groups have very powerful influence in Hollywood now. I can think of one powerful gay person: David Geffen who runs Dreamworks (which almost pretty much Hollywood) and folks told me stories of people kissed his ass just to get what they want, or some folks just plain hated him but keeps their mouth shut if they want to keep their careers. Maybe you should read about this dude and his strong influence he have in this industry before dismissing my claims aas false, otherwise you only embarressing yourself. And this dude and his friends (like Glaad) can ruined the careers of folks who saying something that offended them like Isaiah. I am sure you awared of GLAAD is pressuring ABC to sack him. Im still mixed whether he should get fired or not but one rule you need to know in this business: never hurt the legs that makes you walk. Like I said I wished him the best amongst this controversy and hopefully learn from his mistakes. Don't get me started with the list of Jews are presidents/CEO of media and motion studio companies, or controls the media. I am not saying it is a bad thing but that how it is.

Also tell your friend it isn't too bright to make jokes about people he doesn't know too much about be refer to rehab because I have friends and relatives who suffers from mental illiness or have substance abuse problems and been in and out of rehabs, and it was living in hell, no laughing matter. I don't take rehab jokes lightly. neutral


First of all, I know ur a girl, I was just using dude in a generic way that had no gender reference. Second, Once again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what ppl tell you, it doesn't matter that these ppl have evidence or anything like that. It may well be true that those two groups have major influence in Hollywood. The point is you just can say stuff like that. It's not proper, it's not PC, it's a generalization, it's a stereotype, it's just NOT right.

It's like saying that black ppl love watermelon and chicken. I am black and I love watermelon and chicken. I'm not completely sure that I actually know any black ppl who don't like watermelon and chicken. HOWEVER, it would be rude for someone to actually make that statement or to assume that about me just because I'm black. It's just not right. plain and simple, man.

I mean damn lol
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Reply #98 posted 01/26/07 9:40pm

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GLAAD President Neil Giuliano's take:

Grey’s Anatomy, Mr. Washington, GLAAD and Me

Someone called earlier this week after seeing me on CNN and asked if I had any idea a week ago that this situation with Isaiah Washington would become such a big story. I had to honestly answer: yes. I knew the minute I saw it.

Like many others, I could not believe what I heard when I tuned in to Access Hollywood on the day after the Golden Globe Awards.

Footage from the press room at the Golden Globes showed Washington, co-star of ABC's hit series Grey’s Anatomy, grabbing the microphone in response to a reporter's question about an on-set argument referencing castmate T.R. Knight last October. “No, I did not call T.R. a fa**ot," he said. "Never happened. Never happened.”

Like many others who saw the incident, my emotions went from shock to outrage in a nanosecond. To attempt to defend oneself using the same offensive word you had been accused of using in the first place is totally unacceptable and only makes matters worse.

Unlike others, as the president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), it was important for me to move from rage to constructive engagement – requiring considerably more deliberate focus. Within minutes of seeing the clip and talking with my staff, both our immediate next steps and our longer-term objectives were clear. As the media advocacy and anti-defamation arm of the LGBT movement, GLAAD works to ensure fair, accurate and inclusive representation of LGBT people and events in the media. Our responsibility to our mission and to the communities we serve was two-fold: to rise up, visibly challenge this incident in the media and create a national discussion about anti-gay slurs and bigotry, and to engage the individual responsible in our ongoing work to create public awareness and understanding about the destructive impact of anti-gay prejudice.

We initiated a high-profile media campaign to focus attention on this slur and the hurt it inflicts. We issued a statement condemning Washington's repeated use of the slur, demanded that he apologize, and requested an in-person meeting to discuss the situation. And we made it clear that an apology was necessary but not sufficient to repair the damage and Washington's relationship with our community. Washington would need to do more than stop being part of the problem; he had a responsibility to become an active part of the solution.

We also opened some backchannel communication with contacts close enough to the situation within the TV industry to have knowledge, and who could provide access to information that would otherwise be near impossible to obtain.

In the first few appearances and interviews following the release of our public statement, I reiterated our outrage and repeated my desire to meet with Washington face to face. Then, a week ago Thursday night, just 30 minutes prior to appearing live on the CNN Paula Zahn show while in the car on the way to the studio, we received word that Washington was about to release a statement apologizing and agreeing to meet with me. I read his statement on my blackberry as we pulled up to the Time Warner center in NYC. Clearly, the focus of the interview had just changed and I would need to refocus my messages as well.

On Monday, January 22, I sat down with Washington and GLSEN's Kevin Jennings in Los Angeles. Washington was genuine, apologized and said that the incidents are not what he is all about, not at all, and he didn’t know where that came from, but he was going to get help and find out because it was all so very wrong. He agreed to work with both organizations in the future to educate others to the hurt caused by anti-gay slurs and bigotry.

On Wednesday of this week, we learned that Isaiah has checked in to a behavioral center to deal with his issues. Sure, there is a PR effort underway of course, but from meeting with him, I believe his need for working through his issues is real and I am pleased he is getting the help he needs.

At the same time, it is important to note the strong bravery of T.R. Knight who has had to personally endure through this entire situation. Communication with him and his representatives indicates he is doing well and that is good to know.

The opinions about the entire affair are of a wide range with strong emotions. One thing we know: we must not soon forget this incident. There will be more media coverage of this unfortunate story, so GLAAD will stay engaged and continue the public education and awareness that will lead to changing hearts and minds.

But the story must evolve from that of one celebrity actor who greatly offended millions of people and his problems, to one of a society that needs to have an ongoing discussion about the use of anti-gay slurs and the anti-gay bigotry that still exists.

Yesterday on a lay-over while traveling from the west to east coast, a friend called to say his workplace lunchroom conversation was all about the incident, with people citing personal situations and examples of similar outbursts, now recognizing the real hurt, the denigrating and offensive nature, of such anti-gay language. He said people’s views changed, his peers had never had such a discussion.

It won’t make the front page or evening news, but that is the big story.

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Reply #99 posted 01/26/07 10:20pm

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ladygirl99 said:


First it all, Im a female not a dude. Second of all what so insulting about saying that? You acted like I said a homosexual slur or something. If you know what goes on behind the scenes or who have friends who works with these type of people everyday and tells you about it later, you would know that those two groups have very powerful influence in Hollywood now. I can think of one powerful gay person: David Geffen who runs Dreamworks (which almost pretty much Hollywood) and folks told me stories of people kissed his ass just to get what they want, or some folks just plain hated him but keeps their mouth shut if they want to keep their careers. Maybe you should read about this dude and his strong influence he have in this industry before dismissing my claims aas false, otherwise you only embarressing yourself. And this dude and his friends (like Glaad) can ruined the careers of folks who saying something that offended them like Isaiah. I am sure you awared of GLAAD is pressuring ABC to sack him. Im still mixed whether he should get fired or not but one rule you need to know in this business: never hurt the legs that makes you walk. Like I said I wished him the best amongst this controversy and hopefully learn from his mistakes. Don't get me started with the list of Jews are presidents/CEO of media and motion studio companies, or controls the media. I am not saying it is a bad thing but that how it is.

Also tell your friend it isn't too bright to make jokes about people he doesn't know too much about be refer to rehab because I have friends and relatives who suffers from mental illiness or have substance abuse problems and been in and out of rehabs, and it was living in hell, no laughing matter. I don't take rehab jokes lightly. neutral


First of all, I know ur a girl, I was just using dude in a generic way that had no gender reference. Second, Once again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what ppl tell you, it doesn't matter that these ppl have evidence or anything like that. It may well be true that those two groups have major influence in Hollywood. The point is you just can say stuff like that. It's not proper, it's not PC, it's a generalization, it's a stereotype, it's just NOT right.

It's like saying that black ppl love watermelon and chicken. I am black and I love watermelon and chicken. I'm not completely sure that I actually know any black ppl who don't like watermelon and chicken. HOWEVER, it would be rude for someone to actually make that statement or to assume that about me just because I'm black. It's just not right. plain and simple, man.

I mean damn lol

I never said that 'all' powerful moguls in Hollywood are either a Jew or gay person (there are also token black, Asian, and hispanic people in the scene too) but their overpowerful presence in those positions and in Hollywood is undeniable. I read a lot about who running things in LA LA land and plus I have friends who work for these big honchos everyday and they knows all the ins and outs who is running who and what, which actor's next project going to be next year, which actor and actress have sex parties with directors/producers just to climb up the ladder, you know the drift.

I am black too and trust me living in this country, I get reminded everyday about my skin color. As far as being PC well see that is wrong with this country now people are being PC and afraid of expressing how they really feel about someone who doesn't look or act like them. I have more respect with people like the KKK who speaks his/her hatred openly than an undercover racist/homophobia because at least I know who my enemy is. So why some folks bother being PC because sooner or later their true colors going to shine? Like the original poster said how can Isaiah's hatred can be cured by going to rehab? He obviously have something against gay people for the longest. He is probably checking in rehab due to all the stressed he is getting from the media and the thought of losing his job on a top-rated show. Since he is going through a terible time and also people out there (or in the Hollywood circle called them gay mafia) wanted ABC to fired him, I hope that he gets this so-called help he needs with the rehab...
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Reply #100 posted 01/26/07 10:49pm

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ladygirl99 said:

PurpleRighteous1 said:



First of all, I know ur a girl, I was just using dude in a generic way that had no gender reference. Second, Once again, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what ppl tell you, it doesn't matter that these ppl have evidence or anything like that. It may well be true that those two groups have major influence in Hollywood. The point is you just can say stuff like that. It's not proper, it's not PC, it's a generalization, it's a stereotype, it's just NOT right.

It's like saying that black ppl love watermelon and chicken. I am black and I love watermelon and chicken. I'm not completely sure that I actually know any black ppl who don't like watermelon and chicken. HOWEVER, it would be rude for someone to actually make that statement or to assume that about me just because I'm black. It's just not right. plain and simple, man.

I mean damn lol

I never said that 'all' powerful moguls in Hollywood are either a Jew or gay person (there are also token black, Asian, and hispanic people in the scene too) but their overpowerful presence in those positions and in Hollywood is undeniable. I read a lot about who running things in LA LA land and plus I have friends who work for these big honchos everyday and they knows all the ins and outs who is running who and what, which actor's next project going to be next year, which actor and actress have sex parties with directors/producers just to climb up the ladder, you know the drift.

I am black too and trust me living in this country, I get reminded everyday about my skin color. As far as being PC well see that is wrong with this country now people are being PC and afraid of expressing how they really feel about someone who doesn't look or act like them. I have more respect with people like the KKK who speaks his/her hatred openly than an undercover racist/homophobia because at least I know who my enemy is. So why some folks bother being PC because sooner or later their true colors going to shine? Like the original poster said how can Isaiah's hatred can be cured by going to rehab? He obviously have something against gay people for the longest. He is probably checking in rehab due to all the stressed he is getting from the media and the thought of losing his job on a top-rated show. Since he is going through a terible time and also people out there (or in the Hollywood circle called them gay mafia) wanted ABC to fired him, I hope that he gets this so-called help he needs with the rehab...
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How interesting. You also said this earlier:

If he hated gays he should have kept his mouth shut at least, enjoy his biggest break of his career (it might be his only one from the way it looks), and find a smarter way to fight his battles and learn the rules of the game.
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Reply #101 posted 01/26/07 11:24pm

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ladygirl99 said:



How interesting. You also said this earlier:

If he hated gays he should have kept his mouth shut at least, enjoy his biggest break of his career (it might be his only one from the way it looks), and find a smarter way to fight his battles and learn the rules of the game.

And your point is....? Personally I still say that people should express more how they feel rather than being PC about it but hey in this PC society that we live in and those bigot/hatred folks don't want to jeopardy their career or reputation by know as being a racist so playing PC is the only option Im afraid. Sadly I know plenty of undercover racist/homophobia people who said some racial and gay slur behind their boss back, who happened to be of a different race/gay.
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I say fire his ass, His character is weak and shows no growth.
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Reply #103 posted 01/27/07 6:27am

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ladygirl99 said:

JustErin said:


And your point is....? Personally I still say that people should express more how they feel rather than being PC about it but hey in this PC society that we live in and those bigot/hatred folks don't want to jeopardy their career or reputation by know as being a racist so playing PC is the only option Im afraid. Sadly I know plenty of undercover racist/homophobia people who said some racial and gay slur behind their boss back, who happened to be of a different race/gay.


I thought it was pretty obvious that my point is that you contradicted yourself in a huge way and continue to,

So what your saying is, it's better to be honest and upfront about your hate, unless it might interfere with your personal success...in that case, you should keep your mouth shut and learn to play "the game". Is that a fair interpretation?

Just trying to make sense of your posts and what you personally believe, since you are so outspoken on this subject.

I find it interesting, is all.
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Reply #104 posted 01/27/07 8:46am

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I say fire his ass, His character is weak and shows no growth.


If thye do that, that will be the most two-faced, hypocritical thing that the ABC television has ever done. I don't condone what Isiah Washington said or did as far as racial or homophobic slurs are concerned, but if we all had to face losing our jobs for every epithet we may have blurted out at a party or overheard in a public place, most of us would probably not been able to hold any jobs for very long. Anyway, ABC has the nerve to want to fire a black man over saying a homophobic slur, yet they hire some right-wing political pundit to be on "Good Morning America" who is openly racist and homophobic, and has advocated rounding up Arab Americans who have lived in the USA all of their life as criminals and deporting them to the middle east and also has fully supported banning gay marriage. To me, that is far worse than saying some ethnic or sexual slur against someone because it truly reflects on the character of that person.

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Reply #105 posted 01/27/07 12:58pm

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ladygirl99 said:


And your point is....? Personally I still say that people should express more how they feel rather than being PC about it but hey in this PC society that we live in and those bigot/hatred folks don't want to jeopardy their career or reputation by know as being a racist so playing PC is the only option Im afraid. Sadly I know plenty of undercover racist/homophobia people who said some racial and gay slur behind their boss back, who happened to be of a different race/gay.


I thought it was pretty obvious that my point is that you contradicted yourself in a huge way and continue to,

So what your saying is, it's better to be honest and upfront about your hate, unless it might interfere with your personal success...in that case, you should keep your mouth shut and learn to play "the game". Is that a fair interpretation?
Just trying to make sense of your posts and what you personally believe, since you are so outspoken on this subject.

I find it interesting, is all.


You are missing my point. Personally I don't have to worry about being PC because I take one person at a time and I don't judge people actions based on skin color or their sexuality, religion, etc still I am human too. I don't know where you are from but I am talking about in the USA that the first amendment includes freedom of expression yet we supposed to be PC so don't point at the messanger for being contradictive if that you see it. Because of folks here playing it safe, that is why many people goes undercover about their feelings toward someone who isn't like them because obviously they can't deal with the consequence just by saying some slur. I didn't make the rules but that is how it works here in the good ole US of A. Do I want to see it change? Sure because I feel that freedom of speech should also protect people who speak their true feelings from the heart without facing retribution. You might not agreed with they have to say but still they should be honest about what they feel. That is why PC is bullshit but what can I say because this is a very complex issue that cant be solve overnight or over a debate on the org. As for Isiah at first I wanted him to be fired but that before I got more information about what went down and since then and because he didn't threatened his co-worker because his sexuality, I don't think he should get fired because he said some slur.
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Reply #106 posted 01/28/07 5:15pm

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Now that the SAGs are on tonight maybe Isaih will call someone a faggot and then deny it all over again!!

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Reply #107 posted 01/29/07 11:33am

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This Just In:TR Knight Leaving Grey's Anatomy?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16441598/
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Reply #108 posted 01/29/07 12:01pm

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lazycrockett said:

This Just In:TR Knight Leaving Grey's Anatomy?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16441598/


it's tto bad if he felt uncomfortable there, but honestly I won't miss his character
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Reply #109 posted 01/30/07 3:11am

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lazycrockett said:

This Just In:TR Knight Leaving Grey's Anatomy?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16441598/


I didn't even read the story b/c I'm gonna be so fucking disappointed if he really leaves. It's just a shitty situation all around. I hope it's just gossip. No one should be made to feel uncomfortable in their work environment, especially one that's started off so great & had so much success - could be a long, sweet ride for all involved & Isaiah of all people should know better. I hope it's not true disbelief
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