Anx said:

the first saw is suprisingly good on a psychological level, and i HATE horror movies normally.

but it is really really gross

Cloudbuster said:

Completely. I wasn't being sarcastic at all with the topic of this thread.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Sincerely, I consider the religious indoctrination of children to be nothing short of abusive and cruel.

Cloudbuster said:

What is religious indoctranation?

SureThing said:

Simply put, it's brainwashing.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Could ya put it less simply?

Seriously, what does it mean?

SureThing said:

http://www.google.com/sea...ctrination

ugh!!! religion

SureThing said:

it's when you condition someone to believe that there are no other options aside from what you believe, and that anyone who says differently is a bad person.

Anx said:

unfortunately, it's very common in most religion.

Anx said:

Oh.

Yeah that is stupid.

I looked at the google thing and it really didn't explain what it meant, just how BAD it is.

I want my kids to question their religion.

SureThing said:

good choice. true faith stands up to questioning. false faith makes every effort to avoid questioning.

cborgman said:

Yeah, it's also a good way of forcing your kids to rebel once they get out on their own.

My pastors wife had a talk with me about this one time, and she said that her and her husband value the ones that 'question' their faith as more of a triumph, than the ones who just accept it, or the ones that their parents forsed them to be there.

cborgman said:

in the extremes of most religions, anyway.

Anx said:

yes. sorry. i grew up in extremist, i tend to think it is the norm.

Anx said:

Yeah...I wish for, though, I can't say for sure that I would watch, is a better scary movie than Saw even...

SPOILER

What I found to be the most chilling of Saw...(...I've only seen the first...)...is that that fucker layed there, dead still, getting off, through all of the desperation and gore.

Not scary, just sick, imo.

cborgman said:

Aw.

My mom didn't give us any religious guidance what so ever.

It's really irritating to me now.

So I guess were all a result of out parents screw ups.

My mom never ever talked about God or took us to church.

A a result, I tend to get extreme about religion and my brother doesn't believe in God at all.

Anx said:

The first is remotely interesting. The last two are just a gorefest. A funny gorefest.

The creepiest thing about the movies is the sounds.

cborgman said:

i did too, though fortunately my mom shielded me from most of it and i think for whatever reason i was strong enough not to be terribly effected by it. plus, in my adult life i've seen enough POSITIVE examples of religion that my overall opinion has balanced out quite a bit, so i try not to throw the baby jesus out with the bathwater.

Anx said:

Awwwww.


bold edit.
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SureThing said:

it's always interesting to see how weirdly children turn out on religion.

my father was a fundamentalist church of christ zealot. we weren't even allowed to watch kids shows that involved "magic" of any sort, because he felt only jesus was magic, all other magic is demonic. he wouldn't let us watch the smurfs. the smurfs, for the love of god, because gargamel used magic.

anyway, of my brothers and i, i turned out spiritual, borderline jewish but decidedly anti-organized religion, one of my brothers was fairly agnostic but became a fundamentalist jehovahs witness, and my other brother became a muslim but barely practices.

Anx said:

remind me... i know i have seen you talk about it a tiny bit. you were a menonite?

cborgman said:

Wow.

Yeah, I know Christians that are that way too.

I used to play with this one girl when I was little, and one day her mom told her she wasn't allowed around me anymore, cuz I had a Bon Jovi shirt on, and Bon Jovi is not a Christian.

Well, how did she know if Bon Jovi was a Christian or not. THAT is not the way I wanna teach my kids.

I want my kids to love and accept anybody, and thats actually what the bible teaches anyway. Judgey Christians irritate me to no end.

BUT ANYWAYS!

So how does your Dad feel about your guys'es choices?

Ps. The girl ended up getting knocked up by some loser, and her older brother tried to rape me.

JERKS.

cborgman said:

yeah, close - german baptist. but those were the good years.

it's when my parents left that religion to find their own faith and wound up embroiled in a southern baptist church that things got ugly.

SureThing said:

yea, they irritate the hell out of me too.

it's kind of an ugly story. there were other issues involved, and lots of abuse, and eventually the shit hit the fan, and we were placed in foster care. contact was mostly ended with him.

when i was 22, i went to see my maternal grandmother, who was dying, who lived in the same town as him, so i went to see him, and reopened communication. my brothers started communicating with him again, and peace and forgiveness was somewhat achieved, though none of the abuse was ever discussed. my jw brother invited him to his wedding, and my father wrote a long nasty letter saying he wasnt coming out of protest because he disagrees with our life (read: my being gay) and religious choices, and that we hadn't done enough to establish a relationship for him to fly to see us.

that was the end of it for all of us. we dropped him back into the not wroth talking to file.

Anx said:

ugh. southern baptist... not good.

i still have the expensive mickey mouse watch i purchased when i heard they were protesting disney giving insurance to same sex couples.

idiots.

Anx said:

I love a good scary movie and, unfortunately, Saw isn't one of them. As has already been said they're about seeing how gross they can be more than they are about building suspense. That's the trend right now with just about every horror release. The last one to really give me a good suspenseful scare was Frailty.

cborgman said:

SureThing said:

thanks.

worse things happen to better people.