IrresistibleB1tch said: Mach said: ORLANDO, Fla. - AirTran Airways on Tuesday defended its decision to remove a Massachusetts couple from a flight after their crying 3-year-old daughter refused to take her seat before takeoff.
AirTran officials said they followed Federal Aviation Administration rules that children age 2 and above must have their own seat and be wearing a seat belt upon takeoff. "The flight was already delayed 15 minutes and in fairness to the other 112 passengers on the plane, the crew made an operational decision to remove the family," AirTran spokeswoman Judy Graham-Weaver said. Julie and Gerry Kulesza, who were headed home to Boston on Jan. 14 from Fort Myers, said they just needed a little more time to calm their daughter, Elly. "We weren't given an opportunity to hold her, console her or anything," Julie Kulesza said in a telephone interview Tuesday. The Kuleszas said they told a flight attendant they had paid for their daughter's seat, but asked whether she could sit in her mother's lap. The request was denied. She was removed because "she was climbing under the seat and hitting the parents and wouldn't get in her seat" during boarding, Graham-Weaver said. The Orlando-based carrier reimbursed the family $595.80, the cost of the three tickets, and the Kuleszas flew home the next day. They also were offered three roundtrip tickets anywhere the airline flies, Graham-Weaver said. The father said his family would never fly AirTran again. hey, anybody got a toddler i can borrow? you tempt fate, do you??? | |
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exactly why I have never flown anywhere with any of my kids (except Oscar, but he was only 10 months). I don't care much for people who look at you with hatred, impatience and disgust - and you know they are not parents themselves and have no way to understand, so why are they so judgemental? 2-3 year olds have no control over their emotions yet, they live in the here and now with no thought to consequence. Give little kids and parents a break sometimes, when you can. It's tough enough being the parent, let alone having everyone on your back about it.
and yeah yeah yeah we brough it on ourselves, we dug our grave now we can lie in it | |
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Ex-Moderator | ZombieKitten said: exactly why I have never flown anywhere with any of my kids
And frankly, that's the way to do it. If you know it won't work, don't fly. I'm sorry, but parenting means lots of sacrifices and if your child can't behave well enough to protect his/her own safety on a plane, then you're grounded for a few years. |
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Ex-Moderator | Illustrator said: I can sympathize with this poor family.
I had a very similiar situation happen to me early in my life. Except instead of my whole family, I was the only one who got ousted. And it half-way thru the journey. And it was on a ship, not a plane, so I got thrown over-board. I ended up being was raised by a pack of killer whales. And that's why I don't mind that most people here don't understand any of my threads. Because I know that for all those lurking orcas out there, they are laughing their asses off. !!! |
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obsessed said: I've seen grown men have tandrums when flight attendants have told them to take their seats....
and drunk loud adults ... sometimes it's the adults that act more like the 3 yr olds !! | |
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bluesbaby said: IrresistibleB1tch said: hey, anybody got a toddler i can borrow? you tempt fate, do you??? how are ya, BB? | |
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Mach said: obsessed said: I've seen grown men have tandrums when flight attendants have told them to take their seats....
and drunk loud adults ... sometimes it's the adults that act more like the 3 yr olds !! Exactly.... | |
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I hate flying. I'd rather drive to wherever I'm going. | |
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ZombieKitten said: exactly why I have never flown anywhere with any of my kids (except Oscar, but he was only 10 months). I don't care much for people who look at you with hatred, impatience and disgust - and you know they are not parents themselves and have no way to understand, so why are they so judgemental? 2-3 year olds have no control over their emotions yet, they live in the here and now with no thought to consequence. Give little kids and parents a break sometimes, when you can. It's tough enough being the parent, let alone having everyone on your back about it.
and yeah yeah yeah we brough it on ourselves, we dug our grave now we can lie in it You are mostly correct, but I would like to add that it is the PARENT who needs to reign-in and teach the immature 2-3 year old ettiquette. My wife and I have always gone to restaurants, etc. with our kids since they were babies. Yeah there are occassional flare-ups, but you deal with it accordingly and teach them proper behavior. My wife has flown to Florida numerous times with the kids - with no other adult - and she gets more compliments than scorns. We are actually - if you can believe it - having MORE of an issue with them now that they are 5 - 8 years of age than when they were younger, since now they can think more for themselves and are constantly testing the boundaries. So don't be scared to fly with kids, just be prepared to be stern with them, and be prepared to ignore the ignorant adults around you who will never understand. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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Illustrator said: I can sympathize with this poor family.
I had a very similiar situation happen to me early in my life. Except instead of my whole family, I was the only one who got ousted. And it half-way thru the journey. And it was on a ship, not a plane, so I got thrown over-board. I ended up being was raised by a pack of killer whales. And that's why I don't mind that most people here don't understand any of my threads. Because I know that for all those lurking orcas out there, they are laughing their asses off. i love your posts | |
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PurpleJedi said: ZombieKitten said: exactly why I have never flown anywhere with any of my kids (except Oscar, but he was only 10 months). I don't care much for people who look at you with hatred, impatience and disgust - and you know they are not parents themselves and have no way to understand, so why are they so judgemental? 2-3 year olds have no control over their emotions yet, they live in the here and now with no thought to consequence. Give little kids and parents a break sometimes, when you can. It's tough enough being the parent, let alone having everyone on your back about it.
and yeah yeah yeah we brough it on ourselves, we dug our grave now we can lie in it You are mostly correct, but I would like to add that it is the PARENT who needs to reign-in and teach the immature 2-3 year old ettiquette. My wife and I have always gone to restaurants, etc. with our kids since they were babies. Yeah there are occassional flare-ups, but you deal with it accordingly and teach them proper behavior. My wife has flown to Florida numerous times with the kids - with no other adult - and she gets more compliments than scorns. We are actually - if you can believe it - having MORE of an issue with them now that they are 5 - 8 years of age than when they were younger, since now they can think more for themselves and are constantly testing the boundaries. So don't be scared to fly with kids, just be prepared to be stern with them, and be prepared to ignore the ignorant adults around you who will never understand. I have 3 boys, I would be more than happy to take one at a time, but together? Forget it! | |
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ZombieKitten said: PurpleJedi said: You are mostly correct, but I would like to add that it is the PARENT who needs to reign-in and teach the immature 2-3 year old ettiquette. My wife and I have always gone to restaurants, etc. with our kids since they were babies. Yeah there are occassional flare-ups, but you deal with it accordingly and teach them proper behavior. My wife has flown to Florida numerous times with the kids - with no other adult - and she gets more compliments than scorns. We are actually - if you can believe it - having MORE of an issue with them now that they are 5 - 8 years of age than when they were younger, since now they can think more for themselves and are constantly testing the boundaries. So don't be scared to fly with kids, just be prepared to be stern with them, and be prepared to ignore the ignorant adults around you who will never understand. I have 3 boys, I would be more than happy to take one at a time, but together? Forget it! My kids are fairly mellow, so I wouldn't have a problem taking them on a plane. Now if my brother-in-law had to take either one of his two boys (or both!), now THERE'S someone getting kicked off a plane! | |
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TMPletz said: ZombieKitten said: I have 3 boys, I would be more than happy to take one at a time, but together? Forget it! My kids are fairly mellow, so I wouldn't have a problem taking them on a plane. Now if my brother-in-law had to take either one of his two boys (or both!), now THERE'S someone getting kicked off a plane! when my littlest is about 21 I am sure I would be happy to as well | |
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ZombieKitten said: TMPletz said: My kids are fairly mellow, so I wouldn't have a problem taking them on a plane. Now if my brother-in-law had to take either one of his two boys (or both!), now THERE'S someone getting kicked off a plane! when my littlest is about 21 I am sure I would be happy to as well no don't wait that long because then they are afraid of flying and have to gather their courage to get on a plane | |
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emm said: ZombieKitten said: when my littlest is about 21 I am sure I would be happy to as well no don't wait that long because then they are afraid of flying and have to gather their courage to get on a plane I didn't go on a plane until I was 18, and my knuckles still turn white as I grab the hell out of the arm rests on take-off, turbulence, landing, etc., etc. | |
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emm said: ZombieKitten said: when my littlest is about 21 I am sure I would be happy to as well no don't wait that long because then they are afraid of flying and have to gather their courage to get on a plane and we can't afford it | |
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ZombieKitten said: emm said: no don't wait that long because then they are afraid of flying and have to gather their courage to get on a plane and we can't afford it There's that, too. | |
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TMPletz said: ZombieKitten said: and we can't afford it There's that, too. we could afford maybe a flight to canberra, but althom lives there | |
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they forgot to give the poor child a bottle of Nyquil before she got on the plane.... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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ZombieKitten said: TMPletz said: There's that, too. we could afford maybe a flight to canberra, but althom lives there | |
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missfee said: they forgot to give the poor child a bottle of Nyquil before she got on the plane....
PHENURGEN! | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: bluesbaby said: you tempt fate, do you??? how are ya, BB? I am good! I am thinking that I know for sure our child will not be on a plane any time soon! Cheers to Zombiekitten and all who have toddlers.....more power to ya! | |
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bluesbaby said: IrresistibleB1tch said: how are ya, BB? I am good! I am thinking that I know for sure our child will not be on a plane any time soon! Cheers to Zombiekitten and all who have toddlers.....more power to ya! | |
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ZombieKitten said: bluesbaby said: I am good! I am thinking that I know for sure our child will not be on a plane any time soon! Cheers to Zombiekitten and all who have toddlers.....more power to ya! | |
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