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Printablekatt said: XxAxX said: thank you. i wish i were wealthy enough to personally donate the $75,000 they need... that amount of money would be what? one shopping trip for paris hilton? one bentley lease and matching shiny suits for prince? donald trump's dinner for five? sorry. down on humankind today, i am I wish I also could do more but all we can do is try our best. The internet is a powerful tool lets see if we all can make it work for good. I will email and post the information right now 2 all that I know maybe we will get them the amount they need by the end of the week if we all do this.  thank you there is hope when we try to make change | |
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JustErin said: As for hitting wildlife, people need to slow the fuck down and be cognisant of their surroundings. Just doing that would save lives, both animal and human. True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. | |
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JustErin said: retina said: You're not fencing them in, you're fencing them out. And only where there are a lot of traffic problems. I do hear what you're saying about the humans moving the animals around and concentrating them in certain spots though. What is the best way of dealing with that, in your opinion? . I really don't know of a really effective solution and I'm not even gonna pretend that I do. If I did, I'd be busting my ass trying to make some changes. The only solution is to stop development and that's never, ever going to happen, so I dunno. 
As for hitting wildlife, people need to slow the fuck down and be cognisant of their surroundings. Just doing that would save lives, both animal and human. 
I'm sorry, I know it's not funny. It's true though. With the amount of people who's cars get totaled, you'd think they'd learn. | |
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retina said: JustErin said: As for hitting wildlife, people need to slow the fuck down and be cognisant of their surroundings. Just doing that would save lives, both animal and human. True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. It's not that they jump out, but they DO run out a lot, and if you catch them in your head lite, they just STAND there. I've had to slam my brakes on plenty of times for them. | |
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SureThing said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. It's not that they jump out, but they DO run out a lot, and if you catch them in your head lite, they just STAND there. I've had to slam my brakes on plenty of times for them. Run, jump, whatever. I just know from my own experience how fast it can happen, and sometimes you don't have time to slam the brakes. | |
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SureThing said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. It's not that they jump out, but they DO run out a lot, and if you catch them in your head lite, they just STAND there. I've had to slam my brakes on plenty of times for them. i was once driving in a remote area of wisconsin and five deer bolted out of the woods, ran alongside the road and (although i was the only car around for miles), managed to intersect with my path in such a way that they literally hurled themselves into my way.
it was actually funny, because it really really looked as though they had been waiting until a car came along to do just that. five seconds either way and they would have had the entire road to themselves but no.... they just had to jump in front of me. bizarre | |
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retina said: JustErin said: As for hitting wildlife, people need to slow the fuck down and be cognisant of their surroundings. Just doing that would save lives, both animal and human. True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive. 
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] | |
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JustErin said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to dontate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. it's okay! i welcome any and all posts that keep this thread up where people see it... | |
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retina said: SureThing said: It's not that they jump out, but they DO run out a lot, and if you catch them in your head lite, they just STAND there. I've had to slam my brakes on plenty of times for them. Run, jump, whatever. I just know from my own experience how fast it can happen, and sometimes you don't have time to slam the brakes. I know, I read you wrong. I thought you said they DON'T jump out. I totally do not wanna talk about it anymore, or I'm gonna jinx myself. | |
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JustErin said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] Maybe you could find out more and try it out, get other ppl 2 try it 2. Ask him 2 patent it, if it works then he could sell it and make more monies for charity. | |
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JustErin said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] Oh come on, be realistic! 
Even if everybody was super-aware super-women like you, there will always be moments when you can't get a proper overview of the area in front of you, or when you're fooled by a shadow, or when you're a bit tired and not quite as attentive, and chances are an animal will pick that exact moment to jump out. In fact, that happens very often. I agree that we shouldn't meddle with nature, but putting up wildlife fence here and there is a very unintrusive and effective measure. It beats the hell out of shouldering a rifle and heading off to some murdering at least. | |
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JustErin said: retina said: True, but even when I'm just doing 50 km/h I don't stand a chance if a deer suddenly jumps out from the ditch or behind a bush. That's why I think wildlife fence can do wonders in certain heavily populated places, at least we've used it with a good deal of success over here. The wildlife should still have lots of areas where they can cross the roads though, and they should be well marked with warning signs. I really don't want the wildlife to be fenced in, then they could die if the run out of food or if there's another threat to the population in that area. Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] What kind of whistle thingy? I've had to swerve to missy little bunnys and skunks and all that kinda stuff, and usually miss, but I have hit stuff. This reminds me of like, one of the saddest things I ever saw. This one time we were coming home from Lowes, and there was like this big hold up in traffic, along a road that is not trafficy. Well here, everyone was stopped for this poor possum DRAGGING itself across the road. It was all bloody, I don't know if it got hit, ot in a fite with another animal or what, but it was HEARTBREAKING, someone should have ran the poor guy over to put him out of his misery.  | |
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katt said: JustErin said: Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] Maybe you could find out more and try it out, get other ppl 2 try it 2. Ask him 2 patent it, if it works then he could sell it and make more monies for charity. He passed away in 2000.
I'm sure I could find some info on them online. | |
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JustErin said: katt said: Maybe you could find out more and try it out, get other ppl 2 try it 2. Ask him 2 patent it, if it works then he could sell it and make more monies for charity. He passed away in 2000.
I'm sure I could find some info on them online.
thats ok i will check around. | |
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retina said: JustErin said: Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] Oh come on, be realistic!
Even if everybody was super-aware super-women like you, there will always be moments when you can't get a proper overview of the area in front of you, or when you're fooled by a shadow, or when you're a bit tired and not quite as attentive, and chances are an animal will pick that exact moment to jump out. In fact, that happens very often. I agree that we shouldn't meddle with nature, but putting up wildlife fence here and there is a very unintrusive and effective measure. It beats the hell out of shouldering a rifle and heading off to some murdering at least. Keeping animals confined to certain areas has a huge ecological impact over time. Of course, you can't avoid certain situations. My point is that most car/animal hits can be avoided. | |
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Anybody who thinks this is good just ain't right By Matt Heikkila America's unpopular and unnecessary predator war continues It’s late May in Alaska. A pack of wolves rises from its afternoon nap and heads out behind the alpha male on a hunt. The pups follow for a few hundred feet but soon realize their short legs cannot keep up and return to the den. A half-hour into the hunt the pack notices a pair of porcupine caribou: stragglers. Just then, a prop airplane swoops overhead. The passenger points his assault rifle out the window and easily drops two wolves. He fires again, wounding the alpha male. The plane turns around and lands near the injured leader. The shooter gets out and kills him with a final bullet. http://www.guerrillanews...._Wolf_Hunt  I have a firm grip on reality...Maybe just not this reality   |
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SureThing said: JustErin said: Fucking with them is a problem...period. I've never hit anything and I think a lot of it has to do with me being very aware. I can spot movement in a ditch very quickly, or the reflection of eyes. I've had many things dart in front of me but I always saw them early enough. Watch me hit something the next time I drive.
There was this little old man that used to donate a lot of money to the wildlife centre where I worked. I used to talk to him when he would stop by. He told me that he had never hit anything his entire life and he was in his 80s. He swore by this little whistle thingy that he put on the hood of his car. Sorry for jacking this thread XxAxX. [Edited 1/23/07 7:08am] What kind of whistle thingy? I've had to swerve to missy little bunnys and skunks and all that kinda stuff, and usually miss, but I have hit stuff. This reminds me of like, one of the saddest things I ever saw. This one time we were coming home from Lowes, and there was like this big hold up in traffic, along a road that is not trafficy. Well here, everyone was stopped for this poor possum DRAGGING itself across the road. It was all bloody, I don't know if it got hit, ot in a fite with another animal or what, but it was HEARTBREAKING, someone should have ran the poor guy over to put him out of his misery. I honestly don't know anything about that whistle thing. Oddly enough, I neer bothered to look into it. 
Ya man, rabbits are the WORST for darting out. The are very, very hard to see and so fast. I'll never understand how people hit porcupines though. They are so incredibly slow so they aren't running out in front of you or anything like that. And those poor things explode when you hit them. | |
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JustErin said: Keeping animals confined to certain areas has a huge ecological impact over time. No less than twice in this discussion have I specifically pointed out that they shouldn't be confined to certain areas. 
Wildlife fence just protects certain stretches of road where the danger is unusally high, that's all. Of course, you can't avoid certain situations. My point is that most car/animal hits can be avoided.
By driving slower? Maybe in part, but you need a combination of measures to achieve real results, in my opinion. | |
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retina said: JustErin said: Keeping animals confined to certain areas has a huge ecological impact over time. No less than twice in this discussion have I specifically pointed out that they shouldn't be confined to certain areas.
Wildlife fence just protects certain stretches of road where the danger is unusally high, that's all. Of course, you can't avoid certain situations. My point is that most car/animal hits can be avoided.
By driving slower? Maybe in part, but you need a combination of measures to achieve real results, in my opinion. Yes, I know you have said that a couple of times but you also said confining them would be "a very unintrusive and effective measure". It's actually very intrusive. But as I said, I don't have the answers. I just know what doesn't work. Driving somewhat slower or at least the speed limit in areas that are known to be heavy wildlife areas (particularly at night) and paying attention will achieve the best results. I mean, you should be doing all that anyway for your own safety. In general (speaking from working as an auto claims adjuster for a few years) people do not pay attention as they drive. | |
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JustErin said: Yes, I know you have said that a couple of times but you also said confining them would be "a very unintrusive and effective measure". It's actually very intrusive. No I didn't.
I never said anything about confining them. I don't consider shielding off certain stretches of road "confining" of any wildlife. If it was, then the roads themselves and all other signs of human civilization should be considered confining too. The important thing is that the wildlife can move from one area to the next, and they can do that even though there's wildlife fence in place here and there. But as I said, I don't have the answers. I just know what doesn't work.
Driving somewhat slower or at least the speed limit in areas that are known to be heavy wildlife areas (particularly at night) and paying attention will achieve the best results. I mean, you should be doing all that anyway for your own safety. In general (speaking from working as an auto claims adjuster for a few years) people do not pay attention as they drive. I pay plenty of attention, and I try to drive as slowly as possible, but if you want me to go at the speed of a horse and cart then I'd much rather be driving a horse and cart. 
Seriously, everything above 30 km/h is a potentially dangerous speed if you're driving at night or during other bad conditions, but I can't drive that slowly if I'm going to for example our country place in Norway which is a ten hour drive if you keep the speed limit. Then it would take me three days to get there instead of one! I'm not saying my time is worth more than an animals life, but since there are other measures available to us, I vote for using them as well. As a peace offering though, can I let you know that I think your new avatar is mighty attractive? 
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XxAxX said: katt said: Yes some humans are and I doubt we will ever learn until it is 2 late  we have such a lovely planet, filled with intelligent life such as elephants and dolphins and crows and bears and wolves and cats and dogs... the list is too long for this page. and the more we learn about other animals the more we come to realize that they have social orders, lanugages, tool-making skills, etc. what could be cooler than sharing a planet with so many diverse and beautiful species? wouldn't it be nice of we could treat them with compassion? A FUCKING MEN!!!!!   ...exactly 
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JustErin said: retina said: You're not fencing them in, you're fencing them out. And only where there are a lot of traffic problems. I do hear what you're saying about the humans moving the animals around and concentrating them in certain spots though. What is the best way of dealing with that, in your opinion? . I really don't know of a really effective solution and I'm not even gonna pretend that I do. If I did, I'd be busting my ass trying to make some changes. The only solution is to stop development and that's never, ever going to happen, so I dunno.
As for hitting wildlife, people need to slow the fuck down and be cognisant of their surroundings. Just doing that would save lives, both animal and human. Turn them into Toll roads ... use the revinue to save the wildlife I have a firm grip on reality...Maybe just not this reality |
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retina said: JustErin said: Yes, I know you have said that a couple of times but you also said confining them would be "a very unintrusive and effective measure". It's actually very intrusive. No I didn't.
I never said anything about confining them. I don't consider shielding off certain stretches of road "confining" of any wildlife. If it was, then the roads themselves and all other signs of human civilization should be considered confining too. The important thing is that the wildlife can move from one area to the next, and they can do that even though there's wildlife fence in place here and there. But as I said, I don't have the answers. I just know what doesn't work.
Driving somewhat slower or at least the speed limit in areas that are known to be heavy wildlife areas (particularly at night) and paying attention will achieve the best results. I mean, you should be doing all that anyway for your own safety. In general (speaking from working as an auto claims adjuster for a few years) people do not pay attention as they drive. I pay plenty of attention, and I try to drive as slowly as possible, but if you want me to go at the speed of a horse and cart then I'd much rather be driving a horse and cart.
Seriously, everything above 30 km/h is a potentially dangerous speed if you're driving at night or during other bad conditions, but I can't drive that slowly if I'm going to for example our country place in Norway which is a ten hour drive if you keep the speed limit. Then it would take me three days to get there instead of one! I'm not saying my time is worth more than an animals life, but since there are other measures available to us, I vote for using them as well. As a peace offering though, can I let you know that I think your new avatar is mighty attractive?
. Sorry, but it is confining them. In order to make a fence effective it needs to be miles and miles and miles long, otherwise they will just cross down the road a bit. Your agrument is a fairly good one and is actually used in some provinces in Canada, such as NB, but it's not without it's flaws. That's all I am saying. Driving over 30km/h is not dangerous.
Driving over 80km/h on a two lane highway is, especially at night. The "other measures" you talk about are ones that will not be inconvenient to humans but very inconvenient to wildlife. Oh well, humans on top always. That's just the way it is. Anyway, I've said all I wanna say on this. Save the wolves people! | |
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JustErin said: Sorry, but it is confining them. In order to make a fence effective it needs to be miles and miles and miles long, otherwise they will just cross down the road a bit. Yes, but on the parts where it's in place, it's almost 100% effective and that's not too shabby. Your agrument is a fairly good one and is actually used in some provinces in Canada, such as NB, but it's not without it's flaws. That's all I am saying.
Hence why I'm saying there should be a combination of measures.
Driving over 30km/h is not dangerous.
Driving over 80km/h on a two lane highway is, especially at night. So where exactly do you draw the line? I stand by my word that everything over 30 can be dangerous, considering that it takes a deer little more than a second to jump onto the road. There is no way in hell you have time to react to that if you're doing 50 or 60 and barely even if you're doing 30. If you really want to save animal lives, then protect them against the road completely at the parts where it's most dangerous. The "other measures" you talk about are ones that will not be inconvenient to humans but very inconvenient to wildlife.
 When I said other measures I was referring mainly to your slow speed suggestion, but also whatever else can be done in terms of clearing up on the side of the road for better visibilty etc. I don't think that's very inconvenient to wildlife. I want to protect them as much as you do, but you have to keep reasonable perspective on things. It would be silly to stop all human transportation for the sake of "convenience" for wildlife. It's more important that they can stay alive, and that there are ways for them to get from point A to point B.
Oh well, humans on top always. That's just the way it is.
Anyway, I've said all I wanna say on this. Save the wolves people! Wow.  | |
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SureThing said: Well, how do yous feel about ouija boards?
Christian freak! | |
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thank you everyone. i'm swamped at work... wish i could be here to thank you for taking note and for caring. i feel better about humankind knowing there are people who share this concern. | |
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JustErin said: SureThing said: Well, how do yous feel about ouija boards?
Christian freak! 
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the Alaskan Board of Game is apparently behind this 'plan'. they have deicded that wolves need to be culled in order to preserve the moose population, for human hunting.
here is contact information, if you have time to speak out: http://www.boards.adfg.st...memadd.php Board of Game Member Addresses Alaska Board of Game Members Member Address Position Term Expires _____ Ron Somerville 4506 Robbie Road Juneau, Alaska 99811 Chair 03/01/2008 Cliff Judkins PO Box 874124 Wasilla, Alaska 99687 Vice-Chair 03/01/2009 Ben Grussendorf 1221 Halibut Point Road Sitka, AK 99835 03/01/2007 Richard Burley 1165 Coppet Street Fairbanks, Alaska 99709 03/01/2009 Ted Spraker 49230 Victoria Ave. Soldotna, Alaska 99669 03/01/2008 Bob Bell 801 W.Fireweed Lane Anchorage, AK 99684 03/01/2007 Paul Johnson PO Box 329 Unalakleet, AK 99684 03/01/2008 To print a copy of the Board of Game Roster, click here. (*PDF) (*PDF) This document is a PDF. To open this document you must download the free software, Adobe Acrobat Reader. Alaska Board of Game members may also be reached at: ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME Boards Support Section P.O. Box 115526 Juneau, AK 99811-5526 (907) 465-4110 (907) 465-6094 FAX | |
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