scififilmnerd said:

There's loads of new faces here, since I was last around. It feels a bit weird!

superspaceboy said:

It would probably benefit both Andy and his wife in the long-run if this all came out. I mean, he can't be happy, can he, to meet strangers anomynously for sex? If you're that desperate to be with a man (that you'd risk ruining your family-life) then I really don't think you're bisexual, but gay.

As for moving away. I really don't know if I'm strong enough to do so, at this moment in time.

Justin1972UK said:

Certainly next time he mentions anything homophobic, let em have it. Neil aint no better IMO.

superspaceboy said:

If he ever did, I would. However, it's unlikely that I'll ever be in the same vicinity as him ever again.

But then again, it was highly unlikely that a "homophobic" friend-of-a-friend (whom I've probably met less than five times in my life) would be sleeping with my ex.

As for Neil, I honestly believe that he has a mental illness of some sort.

So, it was the early hours of Sunday morning. Neil was asleep on my couch and I was lying on top of my bed, staring at the ceiling. Andy hadn't texed me back, but I was sure he would have tried to contact me in some way. I mean, I had questions, so surely he would have too.

My PC is in my living room, so I checked my email using the WAP on my mobile phone. Sure enough, Andy had emailed me an hour after our conversation.

I could copy and paste the email here but this is already becoming Googleable enough if somebody typed in the right combination of names. In any case, I don't want to look at a number of emails in my old email account...

Andy's email was basically asking me to meet him for a drink, so that we could chat and make amends. I felt even worse than I had after my initial phone call to him. The tone of the email wasn't unpleasant or nasty in any way whatsoever. I began to feel bad.

I emailed him back, which took me about an hour, using the numeric keys on my mobile phone. I replied that I would meet him for a drink at his convenience and I was sorry if my phone call had upset him.

I finally got to sleep at about six a.m.

When I woke on Sunday morning at about half-past eight, Neil was already awake and sitting up, watching television. I didn't tell him about the email from Andy. I just wanted him to leave but made sure I didn't do anything to give away my feelings. In any case, Neil didn't seem to have any desire to stay. After a coffee and yet another conversation analysing the previous days' events, he left at about nine-thirty a.m.

After he'd left, I texed Andy, asking if I could meet him that day. Andy replied that he was wandering around town with his son, shopping. He couldn't meet me as his wife had gone visiting her mother and he would have his son with him for the rest of the day. I texed back that I'd take half a day off work during the week and meet him whenever.

An hour later, Andy actually phoned my land-line. This would have been around lunchtime on the Sunday. His demeanour was markedly different to the "scared little kid" I'd spoke with, the evening before.

Now, again, I really don't remember much of this conversation either. There were no standout remarks like the marvellous "I've been trying to cut down" from the previous evening.

Basically, Andy did a ret-con of what he'd previously admitted to, less than 24 hours earlier. He hadn't been "sleeping with men" at all... He'd apparently met Neil in an internet chat-room and became friendly with him... Neil had then become "over friendly" and Andy told him that he didn't want to see him again. Andy even pointed out that Neil had texed him on the Friday, asking to see him - evidently unaware that Neil had shown me the content of Andy's responses...

Andy half-admitted that something of a sexual nature had taken place between them but: "It wasn't sex... You know?... I'm not... GAY... I don't look at other men and think 'Oooh, he's okay'... Do you know what I mean, Justin?". I honestly didn't have a fucking clue what he meant at all. He stated that whatever "not-sex" he and Neil had engaged in was a one-off. He'd never indulged in "not-sex" with any other men.

I didn't question any of this. I just "hmmmmed" and "uh-uhd" my way through it all. I just wanted an end to it - and if it made him feel better by telling me a load of old shite, then so be it.

In retrospect I think that he equated "sex" with penetrative sex. So he obviously hadn't "had sex" with Neil, the same way that Bill Clinton hadn't "had sex" with Monica Lewinsky.

After the phone call from him, I pottered about the flat, doing household chores. I had a brief visit from another friend, Del, at about three in the afternoon. Just as Del was leaving at about four p.m., I had a phone call from my friend Louise. She was in the local pub with her husband Kevin and Peter.

In my mind, I had started to believe that the whole episode was put to bed. I'd drift away from Neil gradually; meet up just the once with Andy to assure him that I wouldn't discuss this further and bury the whole episode to the back of my mind. I figured it would be good to get out of the flat and have a normal conversation after three days of craziness...

I was wrong.

Justin1972UK said:

You've hit the nail on the head, Neil has been scorned by a man who refuses to admit that he has any gay tendancies and he is out for blood. I'm am scared of the next installment.


Obviously I will be reading it.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

See my first post on this thread!

What happens next, dammit!!

damn....sorry this is a real life drama for you but...it sure is good reading!
I'm dying to know what's next.

justin you need to cut all these people off. too many issues

oh, and write a book

superspaceboy said:

That's a much better analogy. haha

Justin1972UK said:

Yes, it does. I was away for quite awhile too and only returned recently. So it is good to see an old friend again.

I've been reading your posts on this thread and frankly, I don't know what to say to it all. I just wish you the best.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

COnsidering who this is about...yeah spot on!