Dr. Condoleeza Rice is the most powerful woman in America, if not the world. Her ideas help shape the foreign policy of this nation. No black woman before her, has ever risen to such heights, and yet some black people will view her as a house slave along with Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas.

Provacative

i'll stick with Oprah, she was not appointed by anyone.

Let's not forget the great black libertarian, Walter Williams.

teller said:

Walter Williams is a great columnist!! The dude is smart, and he makes sense. I love the column he wrote "Wanting blacks to think alike"...his stuff is hard hitting and not politically correct.

B U M P

Why is this thread not getting any replies???

Hmmm...

RE-BUMP

I would really like to hear some views on this topic.

Nobody will comment because most thinks some mentioned are sell outs so to speak..if you "aint down for the cause then you just aint period",...be at least semi-thankful for a person being able to do thier thing regardless

rdhull said:

I agree with you... my question is this:

Exactly how are they "sell-outs" and why are they looked down upon?

IceNine said:

I cant say right now completely I gotta do something..but some are looked as sell outs if they side or work for others who have a hisotry of dubious bad behavior towards monorities etc which is understandable..and if they aren't seing both sides of th epictere etc...I say some folks worked hard and went through a lot of shit to getwhere they were and nobody knows th e personal or internal struggle they had to endure to get there..now when you get there, if they forget where they came from, or dont continue to help out then they are deemed sell outs--this is in generaL..Im sure someone else can explain it better.

Justice Clarence Thomas sums it up...here is a portion of his speech given at the National Bar
Association:


"It pains me deeply, or more deeply than any of you can imagine, to be perceived by so many members of my race as doing them harm. All the sacrifice, all the long hours of preparation were to help, not to hurt. But what hurts more, much more, is the amount of time and attention spent on manufactured controversies and media sideshows when so many problems cry out for constructive attention.


I have come here today not in anger or to anger, though my mere presence has been sufficient, obviously, to anger some. Nor have I come to defend my views, but rather to assert my right to think for myself, to refuse to have my ideas assigned to me as though I was an intellectual slave because I'm black.

I come to state that I'm a man, free to think for myself and do as I please".


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AbucahX said:

That is a great quote!

That's not a black fact, (whatever a 'black fact' is) that is your opinion.
Condeleeza is not the most powerful woman in America.
That whole Bush Administration listens to Karl Rove, Bush's chief advisor, Bush himself, and Dick Cheney. And Rice is no exception.

I'd put Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Dole, even Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer--who are elected, not appointed, and have their own opinions--as more powerful women over Rice(I'd put them over pasta too, but that's another story).

Like Clarence Thomas, it was widely known that Rice wasn't necessarily the most qualified for her position, but was used as political pawn by Bush to appear more diverse to the electorate.

In case you were wondering I do think Colin Powell is hightly qualified for his position, although he hardly gets much say in what policies he supports.
But that's politics right?

mrchristian said:

Condaleeza Rice not qualified for her position? Before she was National Security Advisor, she worked on nuclear strategic planning at the Joint Chiefs of Staff, she was senior director for Soviet affairs at the National Security Council Under George Bush Sr, she helped bring democratic reform to Poland, she was a Council of Foreign Relations member and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs...who else could have been more qualified?

B U M P

It's funny that folks like Clarence Thomas would, on the one hand say that he wants to be seen as an individual, and then the other hand get all upset with the Black community is not receptive.

I mean if you want to be seen as an individual, why do you even give a phuck about whether or not you are acknowledged or celebrated as part of a community?

I haven't seen Condi deny her connection to the Black community--in fact she has spoken often about growing up in racist Birmingham and losing a childhood friend who died when the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church was firebombed by white terrorists during the civil rights movement.

That being said, I find her war-mongering policies very disturbing.

NuPwrSoul said:

I don't know the man, so this is only speculation, but I suspect that he was aggravated by the assertion that he was a "sell-out" because he had advanced himself and made a good life for himself. He might feel very strongly about "black issues," but feels that it would be improper for him to speak out strongly on those issues as a judge.

Who can say, really?

Condaleeza Rice is a Republican.Nuff said

IceNine said:

If he wants to be seen as an individual so badly then he should act like one and not give a fuck.

Same goes for most conservatives who champion that "I am an individual and it has nothing to do with my skin color" thing. If so, be like that in deed and not just word. Just do your thang regardless of what others are saying about you, demonstrate that you are really an individual.

I mean, if someone says "it does not matter that I have black skin" and then someone comes along and says "you are not black"...well if it didn't matter in the first place, I again ask why do you care?

"Sell-out" is a discursive tool for those who engage in contestations over identity. If your identity as it relates to a community is unimportant then you don't even have to engage that discourse.

NuPwrSoul said:

You certainly have a point there... but we have to face the reality that there are a great number of racists out there who hate Clarence Thomas for being a powerful black man... add the hatred of the black community on top of that and he must feel like a pretty hated person. I can understand his wanting to speak out about his situation.

B U M P
A G A I N

IceNine said:

Why do you like this topic so much Icenine?What interest you about it?Did you see "bowling for Columbine"yet?

4LOVE said:

I think that AbucahX has asked a good question and it is a question that I have wondered about as well.

I haven't seen "Bowling for Columbine" yet... what is it???

IceNine said:

A movie by Michael Moore that needs to be seen.It may answer "some" of the questions you have .

I'll speak out on this,Most black people think Bush could care less about black people or their causes(i feel this way).So when Bush appoints someone black we feel it is a TOKEN gesture and that they have to have BUSH's best interest in mind instead of causes to help the communities of the BLACK people he is supposed to represent.And before you say he represents all people(which is true)when you hear his name or Condeliza's.Do you think republican or BLACK republican?

4LOVE said:

Dr. Condoleezza Rice is the National Security Advisor.

Colin Powell is the Secretary of State.

Clarence Thomas is a Supreme Court Justice.

None of these people are in any position to "help" the black community... their jobs have nothing to do with helping the black community, so I don't know why anyone would question them for doing their jobs.

IceNine said:

If you read into my post a little better you will find it is more of who they are associated with as opposed to what they do.None of us REALLY know what they do.All we can do is speculate.

THE WOMAN GOT GAME...
clarence thomas is a HOUSE NI**ER

00769BAD said:

CLARIFICATION:
when you look at whut is being done by these
highly placed BLACKS in goverment and WONDER of their actions, it's not that hard to see.
C THOMAS has sence his appointment gone against black
causes in the judicial system where BLACKs are most vunerable.
COLIN POWEL does things for communities and the children there in thererby trying to help stop the cycle of whut
holds BLACKS dowm.
THE WOMAN GOT GAME...
i don't know shit about her personal life,
but i've heard her PONTIFICATE on some shit (big word)
and if there was a lie in whut she said, or a cover up,
she did it in a mannor that rates nothing but the highest
reguards.