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PrintableSureThing said: JustErin said: Christmas was fab and a true Christian would realize that the holiday is actually a pagan one.. it's not even held on the day Christ was born. 
It's about Santa, not Jesus. Well it's pretty hard to pin point dates, but if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas. And all it takes to be a true Christian is to believe in Christ. Us evil non-believers took it over somewhere down the line. 
Wasn't Jesus born sometime in October? And I suppose you're right. A true christian is one that simply believes in Christ. And for the record, I believe in Jesus' existance. I just don't believe in the bible's interpretation of the life he lived. | |
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ufoclub said: PurpleJedi said: Back to the main topic:
Before you mess with the Ouija board, make sure you research the basic ground rules. I think that if you make contact, you have to ask if the spirit is "bad" or "good". If it's bad, then send it away. And when you're done I think that you have to end the session a certain way. I'm not 100% sure of anything in this world besides the fact that we don't know EVERYTHING there is to know about the universe. For ANYONE to pretend to know for sure that there IS or ISN'T a God is absurd. We as humans are still learning, still developing, still moving along in this thing called life. So, if you're going to mess with the spirit realm - whether or not you believe in it - don't take any chances. but, you gotta question why a mass produced game board would break dimensional barriers (antique or not!). I'll stick with the static on my tv and the bedroom closet... | |
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jerseykrs said: SureThing said: if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas.
That is an ignorant statement.  Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. | |
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Mach said: SureThing said: Well it's pretty hard to pin point dates, but if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas. Do you know the history of christmas... it origins and reasons ? It has far lesss to do with Jesus then most are aware of  I was going to get into it Mach, I knew you would know it though.  | |
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Mach said: SureThing said: Well it's pretty hard to pin point dates, but if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas. Do you know the history of christmas... it origins and reasons ? It has far lesss to do with Jesus then most are aware of Again, very true. | |
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jerseykrs said: SureThing said: if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas.
That is an ignorant statement. It is the general understanding by millions though strange as that is | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: That is an ignorant statement. Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. | |
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Mach said: jerseykrs said: That is an ignorant statement. It is the general understanding by millions though strange as that is I love the internet lol http://www.ridgenet.org/S...istory.htm Hey Mach  | |
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EverSoulicious said: Mach said: It is the general understanding by millions though strange as that is I love the internet lol http://www.ridgenet.org/S...istory.htm Hey Mach Well, there you have it. | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: That is an ignorant statement. Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. as with x-mas ...easter has older traditions then what the church turned it into for the reasons they did... it really is quite interesting to take the time to learn past the boxes they try to keep people in | |
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EverSoulicious said: Mach said: It is the general understanding by millions though strange as that is I love the internet lol http://www.ridgenet.org/S...istory.htm Hey Mach this is good too, love the history channel http://www.history.com/mi...ni_id=1290 | |
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jerseykrs said: SureThing said: Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. he's right. the origins of the winter solstice celebration (christmas) pre-date christianity in a big way. | |
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Mach said: SureThing said: Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. as with x-mas ...easter has older traditions then what the church turned it into for the reasons they did... it really is quite interesting to take the time to learn past the boxes they try to keep people in The same could be said about Christianity. | |
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jerseykrs said: SureThing said: Why was that an ignorant statement? I don't have stats but I'm sure the major majority of ppl celebrating Christmas, are Christians. Loose the Christians and theres no Christmas and Easter. Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. | |
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ThreadBare said: Mach said: as with x-mas ...easter has older traditions then what the church turned it into for the reasons they did... it really is quite interesting to take the time to learn past the boxes they try to keep people in The same could be said about Christianity. You're totally right. It only really makes sense to have a full understanding of something before passing judgement. | |
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ThreadBare said: Mach said: as with x-mas ...easter has older traditions then what the church turned it into for the reasons they did... it really is quite interesting to take the time to learn past the boxes they try to keep people in The same could be said about Christianity. The same could be said about any human created "way - thing" and should be...people should really look at all sides and be well rounded in things  | |
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SureThing said: Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. this is why people give up having anything remotely resembling an intellectual conversation with you, because you resort to shit like that. Whatever, continue saying whatever you want.  | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. Millions of peagens would disagree seeing how they still celebrate this beautiful festival | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. though I respect your opinion ... I disagree "Christmas" isn't even about Jesus to most americans anymore it's about the allmighty $ | |
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EverSoulicious said: SureThing said: The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. Millions of peagens would disagree seeing how they still celebrate this beautiful festival Not only that. There are millions of Christians who still celebrate it fully knowing that it's really a peagan holiday. | |
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Mach said: ThreadBare said: The same could be said about Christianity. The same could be said about any human created "way - thing" and should be...people should really look at all sides and be well rounded in things Yup. Even the Bible exhorts us to, in all of our gaining, to gain understanding. The failure of most Christians to do just that, I believe, gives way to the myopia and fear lamented by so many on this very thread. | |
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jerseykrs said: SureThing said: Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. this is why people give up having anything remotely resembling an intellectual conversation with you, because you resort to shit like that. Whatever, continue saying whatever you want. Well, thats what I think. Like I said, it's not likE I have stats but I'm pretty sure most of the people celebrating, believe in Jesus, therefore, if it wasn't for that, I'm sure Christmas, wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is now. Go ahead and result to "whatever" and an eyeroll. All that is, is a way of saying, I don't know what else to say to prove my point. | |
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ThreadBare said: Mach said: The same could be said about any human created "way - thing" and should be...people should really look at all sides and be well rounded in things Yup. Even the Bible exhorts us to, in all of our gaining, to gain understanding. The failure of most Christians to do just that, I believe, gives way to the myopia and fear lamented by so many on this very thread.  This thread may be moved to P&R
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Mach said: SureThing said: The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. though I respect your opinion ... I disagree "Christmas" isn't even about Jesus to most americans anymore it's about the allmighty $ This is true. | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: Because, and I'm not saying this to be mean, know both sides of the story before you make such a statement. The origins of Christmas have absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ Daniela. The whole winter solstice thing??? So you really think that in 2007 we would continue to celebrate the WINTER SOLSTICE???? Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. surprise! millions of people on this planet do not even believe in jesus, and do not adhere to christianity!!! | |
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Mach said: ThreadBare said: Yup. Even the Bible exhorts us to, in all of our gaining, to gain understanding. The failure of most Christians to do just that, I believe, gives way to the myopia and fear lamented by so many on this very thread. This thread may be moved to P&R
It may die there
I was just starting the countdown in fact. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: Mach said: This thread may be moved to P&R
It may die there
I was just starting the countdown in fact. As was I. :tapping foot, checking watch: | |
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SureThing said: jerseykrs said: this is why people give up having anything remotely resembling an intellectual conversation with you, because you resort to shit like that. Whatever, continue saying whatever you want. Well, thats what I think. Like I said, it's not likE I have stats but I'm pretty sure most of the people celebrating, believe in Jesus, therefore, if it wasn't for that, I'm sure Christmas, wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is now. Go ahead and result to "whatever" and an eyeroll. All that is, is a way of saying, I don't know what else to say to prove my point. no, when you dismiss others with that stupid statement, that's not knowing what else to say. Me rolling my eyes is admitting defeat to an ignorant discussion with you. I know plenty to prove any point I have. | |
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SureThing said: Mach said: though I respect your opinion ... I disagree "Christmas" isn't even about Jesus to most americans anymore it's about the allmighty $ This is true. Yes it is and if Jesus were no longer pulled into a holiday supposedly celebrationg his birthday the holiday would continue just as strongly because most are conditioned to do so and the $ speaks in volumes to many where the name Jesus would not be heard | |
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SureThing said: Face it, if it wasn't for Jesus, Christmas would be long gone. No Christmas is about presents, buying things, and glitter. And eating and drinking too much and being obligated to send stupid cards to people you hardly know. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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