SureThing said:

And I feel like people turn to 'because God said so' as an excuse to discriminate, enslave, limit freedom and judge anyone they want and feel smug and satified in their faith.

I'm not saying YOU, but I feel like that happens often.

JustErin said:

I totally don't deny that at all.

But it's just like Christianity.

I'm Protestant and I think a lot of shit Catholics believe is fucked up.

Just like Islam.

Some insane extremist took the Koran and picked out of it what he believed and used that to gear his hatred.

But you can't blame that on the Koran or the writer.

Its how they interpreted what it said, and it was the WRONG way.

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you guys would great over there... clam rational views without FLAMES




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SureThing said:

And that is why all religion is to blame. It's all the root of evil, imo.

It's simply not needed in order to live a peaceful, happy fulfilled life.

JustErin said:

I totally don't deny that at all.

But it's just like Christianity.

I'm Protestant and I think a lot of shit Catholics believe is fucked up.

Just like Islam.

Some insane extremist took the Koran and picked out of it what he believed and used that to gear his hatred.

But you can't blame that on the Koran or the writer.

Its how they interpreted what it said, and it was the WRONG way.

SureThing said:

So, Catholics are extremists and Protestants represent the true faith? Which Protestants?

Are you not picking and choosing those parts of the Bible that you choose to believe?

On what basis are the extreme Muslim's interpretation of the Koran "wrong?"

Stax said:

Better yet...if a person is a God fearing christian how can they not love everyone equally just as God Loved the World? Or are they not teaching that in church any more?.....I give up

JustErin said:

Well, thats great if thats what you believe.

I believe that we wouldn't even be here to live a happy peaceful life, if it wasn't for God.

How was your Christmas, by the way?

CarrieMpls said:

I just saw this now Carrie, sorry.

Well your Christian friends that do that aren't following God's word then. You can't blame THAT on the bible or religion.

Because the Bible warns against all of those things that you described.

I believe that we wouldn't even be here to live a happy peaceful life, if it wasn't for God.

SureThing said:

Or maybe it is just evolution, determined by purely natural mechanisms, not supernatural ones.

EverSoulicious said:

Yeah, they do.

I really have no idea what your talking about, or trying to say.

SureThing said:

So, Catholics are extremists and Protestants represent the true faith? Which Protestants?

Are you not picking and choosing those parts of the Bible that you choose to believe?

On what basis are the extreme Muslim's interpretation of the Koran "wrong?"

SureThing said:

What I am saying is.....How can you say your religion is right and another is fucked up? Don't they believe in a higher power or God? Wouldn't they deserve the same kind of love from your God that you get from him? Didn't Jesus "love one another just as God loved you" ? If that is the case wouldn't all religions be equal?

SureThing said:

And that is why all religion is to blame. It's all the root of evil, imo.

It's simply not needed in order to live a peaceful, happy fulfilled life.

SureThing said:

But they believe they are. Who's right?

JustErin said:

Erin: So, testimony isn't evidence? Most judicial systems recognize testimony from credible sources to be sufficient for convictions in courts of law.

Correct?



Carrie: I could give you Christian links and texts, but I suspect you wouldn't find them to be credible. So, I'm going to get some descriptions from non-Christian sources.

Ouija Boards
by: Keith Randolph

Dabblers in "occult toys" such as Ouija boards and planchettes sometimes complain that the disembodied entities with which they believe they are communicating will not let them alone, even when they are not using the boards. The entities may try to possess them or in other ways attempt to influence their conduct. They may take up residence in the individuals’ residences and manifest as apparitions, poltergeists, or psychic vampires, draining physical and spiritual energy from their victims. Of course such things may well have a psychological explanation. But whether they are psychological or paranormal in origin, we do know that Ouija boards and other such devices can call up destructive energies, especially when operated by occult novices who have no real idea of what they are doing.

EverSoulicious said:

I do think everyone is equal and I do love everyone. I just said some of the shit they believe, and practice, I find fucked up.

Lots of people are fucked up, I still love them.

Don't put words in my mouth.

SureThing said:

Christmas was fab and a true Christian would realize that the holiday is actually a pagan one.. it's not even held on the day Christ was born.

It's about Santa, not Jesus.

CarrieMpls said:

I believe the bible's rite, and what your describing is warned against in the bible.

Stax said:

Did I saw Catholics are extremists?

No.....

I said I think soem of the shit they do is fucked up.

IE. Praying to false God.....The Hail Mary.

Promoting Gambling by having Bingo in the church hall.

Blah blah.

Well when the Koran was first written is was a lot more peaceful thean when the Wahabis revised it to 'promote terrorism' of non muslims.

SureThing said:

Christmas was fab and a true Christian would realize that the holiday is actually a pagan one.. it's not even held on the day Christ was born.

It's about Santa, not Jesus.

but I believe in the Hail Mary.

if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas.

ThreadBare said:

No disrespect, thready, cause I think you're good people.
But I don't think I'm going to find any "evidence" you can provide as credible. It will likely provide some interesting psychological case studies, but I'm not going to see it as more than that.

Back to the main topic:

Before you mess with the Ouija board, make sure you research the basic ground rules.
I think that if you make contact, you have to ask if the spirit is "bad" or "good". If it's bad, then send it away.
And when you're done I think that you have to end the session a certain way.

I'm not 100% sure of anything in this world besides the fact that we don't know EVERYTHING there is to know about the universe.
For ANYONE to pretend to know for sure that there IS or ISN'T a God is absurd. We as humans are still learning, still developing, still moving along in this thing called life.

So, if you're going to mess with the spirit realm - whether or not you believe in it - don't take any chances.

Well it's pretty hard to pin point dates, but if it wasn't for Jesus' birthday there would be no Christmas.

SureThing said:

but I believe in the Hail Mary.