EFS said:

Me and my friends played with these boards in middle school, high school, college... and nothing really ever happened. I wish something did!

JustErin said:

See, I feel the complete opposite way.

I feel like people turn to 'there is no God' as an excuse to just do whatever they want without feeling any remorse.

I'm not saying YOU, but I feel like that happens often.

SureThing said:

Ok, that's how you feel and I respect that.

It's certainly not what I have seen.

SureThing said:

ummm yeah and that is why people who are not religious are the ones going to war in the name of god and bombing the shit out of other countries

Jesus was nailed to a cross i dont flip out everytime i see wood.

EverSoulicious said:

For me to reply to that, I kinda need you to tell me exactly who you mean?

SureThing said:

And I feel like people turn to 'because God said so' as an excuse to discriminate, enslave, limit freedom and judge anyone they want and feel smug and satified in their faith.

I'm not saying YOU, but I feel like that happens often.

SureThing said:

It doesn't matter. lol I am the way that I am because I was brought up to respect others, treat them the way I wanted to be treated and to like everyone. And both my parents are NOT religous. So that being said, I am not an agnostic to use as an excuse to go out and be bad. I take responsibility for all my actions. Just because a person is not relgious doesn't mean they run around doing "bad" things. I have seen more religous people do some pretty sick and fucked up things then come back and say....."I know God will forgive me". Like that is some kind of an excuse. But that is just me

EverSoulicious said:

Yup, I've seen all that too. My parents weren't religious either, I used to begg my mom to come to church with me and wouldn't and still doesn't. I have chose to raise my kids in a God fearing household. I personally don't see how anyone canm witness a child being born and NOT see God in that.

I don't judge, and I don't point fingers at ppl who don't believe, and I don't think anyone said they run around doing bad things. I WISH ppl would believe, but if they don't I certainly don't judge them. I do however, see a lot of non believers who like to make an ass out of believers.

EFS said:

Yeah.... Don't tell anyone in P&R

AsylumUtopia said:

I expected derision.

But know this: Proximity doesn't mean everything. Horoscopes generally run next to the comics, in most newspapers. Yet many people on this very board govern their lives according to the placement of certain astrological bodies and events.

The fact is, and there are numerous documented accounts -- both religious and secular -- to confirm this: Ouija boards open up portals to the spirit world. The results when contact is made -- especially with folks with "sensitivity" to spirits -- generally are negative, ranging from unexplainable phenomena, to mental illness to outright possession.

SureThing said:

I have 4 boys and sorry but I never saw God in that experience just their Dad.

ThreadBare said:

I'd like to see the numerous documented accounts. I don't belive there is any evidence whatsoever.

SureThing said:

I would never say such a statement. However, Islam's beginnings are quite questionable to say the LEAST.

EverSoulicious said:

Yeah, I wouldn't see God in THAT either.

Kidding.

Look, I believe in God, you don't. Great.

But don't blame God for terrorism and war.

SureThing said:

for the record, I don't blame God, I blame religion.

SureThing said:

But religion is the motivating factor behind the majority of terrorism Dani.

i cannot believe you people actually beleive an ouija board works.

i mean please. EVERYone knows the only true oracle is the Magic Eight Ball

XxAxX said:

CarrieMpls said:

There is no evidence. Only speculation and testimony.

jerseykrs said:

No, it's people taking religion and making it into something awful.

So you could say religion is what motivates it, but it's the PERSON that is distorting it and using it as something evil.

You can't blame religion for a fucked up individual being fucked up.

SureThing said:

I think you need to work on your jokes and I don't blame God. How can I blame something that I don't believe is there? And All wars through out history were fought in the name of religion. You can't toss aside written facts where that is concerned.

SureThing said:

People are not born "fucked up", they are a product of their environment. And the environment that terrorists live in is a religious based one.

You simply can not deny this.

The other point I would like to make is that saying a Ouija board is inherently evil is probably over-simplistic. The accounts that I've read about people who found themselves oppressed or possessed by demons as a result of the use of Ouija boards usually are tied to a succession of granting permission to a contacted spirit to have greater access to their bodies and their lives.

The practice of invoking and welcoming spirits -- be it done through a Ouija board or other means -- is the part that's foolish.

But, a true comparison to board games is equally over-simplistic. I think most people would agree that Ouija boards' use is for that very occultic practice, regardless of the variance of outcomes. Whereas Monopoly, Battleship or Trivial Pursuit, for example, have different uses, intents, and rules.

EverSoulicious said:

My religion is the cause of my bad sense of humor, so forgive me.

CarrieMpls said:

I see this more then not ... in my circles of christian friends,

here in P&R almost in every religious arena

It is my expereince this is much more the norm then not

JustErin said:

I totally don't deny that at all.

But it's just like Christianity.

I'm Protestant and I think a lot of shit Catholics believe is fucked up.

Just like Islam.

Some insane extremist took the Koran and picked out of it what he believed and used that to gear his hatred.

But you can't blame that on the Koran or the writer.

Its how they interpreted what it said, and it was the WRONG way.

SureThing said:

See now you are taking it personal. Don't! All I was doing was stating my case for what I believe and the facts that I have studied for YEARS.
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JustErin said:

Erin: So, testimony isn't evidence? Most judicial systems recognize testimony from credible sources to be sufficient for convictions in courts of law.

Correct?



Carrie: I could give you Christian links and texts, but I suspect you wouldn't find them to be credible. So, I'm going to get some descriptions from non-Christian sources.

Ouija Boards
by: Keith Randolph

Dabblers in "occult toys" such as Ouija boards and planchettes sometimes complain that the disembodied entities with which they believe they are communicating will not let them alone, even when they are not using the boards. The entities may try to possess them or in other ways attempt to influence their conduct. They may take up residence in the individuals’ residences and manifest as apparitions, poltergeists, or psychic vampires, draining physical and spiritual energy from their victims. Of course such things may well have a psychological explanation. But whether they are psychological or paranormal in origin, we do know that Ouija boards and other such devices can call up destructive energies, especially when operated by occult novices who have no real idea of what they are doing.

ALL Y'ALL SHOULD come over to P&R

you guys would great over there... clam rational views without FLAMES




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