JustErin said:

SureThing said:

I don't know, just like every single religious zealot doesn't know there is a God or what happens when you die. It's all faith, and to believe there is nothing is JUST as valid as believing there IS something. If anything, religion is more faith, at least science has PROVEN to me how most everything was created.

But I know how RABID religion can get, so I could really care less what others believe.

jerseykrs said:

no, thank me. god had nothing to do with it.

CarrieMpls said:

jerseykrs said:

Exactly. Religion is faith.

Thats why I don't need proof, because I have faith.

As far as religion being rabid it's not. There are just extremists, just like in anything.

I actually DO care what other people believe in. I would HOPE that they believe in God, but if they don't I respect that.

Anyways, one minute you were, 'firing something up', now you 'don't know'.

SureThing said:

I guess to me believing something bad is gonna happen to you for using a ouija board is like believing in the boogie monster, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. I just don't get it. I don't understand how an otherwise rational adult can acutally think a toy board game is capable of contacting dead people, spirits, ghosts, what have you. It is utterly laughable to me.

CarrieMpls said:

I don't know how people can believe in spirits, ghosts. etc, in the first place.

That said. I recently took some pics of my new place and I have orbs all over the photos.

JustErin said:

that's what I'm saying. Electricity. Big deal. You die, you die. Everyone has been brainwashed for so damn long by less than HONEST people ( ie: EVERY single organized religion there is), that I'm sorry, I don't believe them. I believe what is proven to me.

And believe me, nothing I've seen has proven to me there is an all knowing all loving entity taking care of us.

Oh


My


God!!!



I received a rude knock at my door this morning. At first I figured, I'll just not answer the door and they'll go away. But the knocking became more intense and never subsided.
Finally, more than a little pissed off, I got out of bed, put my clothes on, and walked to greet the person knocking on my front door.

To my astonishment, when I openned it, the person greeting me wasn't a person at all, but the god damned OUIJA board I used 8 years ago!!!!!
To make a long story short, I was able to send it away unharmed and possessing two new copies of the watchtower. All is well, but it was a damned close call!


Beware of those motherfuckers!





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[Edited 1/15/07 7:45am]

CarrieMpls said:

Well, it's not so much a ouija board that I believe is evil, or the Devil. But I think if you took a toothbrush and used it for something like that, that, that is evil, and I'd call that the devil.

Like, okay, Candy Land, it's great fun. But if it was used for witchcraft not so fun, IMO.

Imago said:

I fucking love you in a non-homo way.

jerseykrs said:

Have you seen enough in the world to think that there is an undercurrent of pain and dissatisfaction that plagues all creatures? Not all religions believe in a higher all-loving entity that created us.



But as for the Ouija board, it's totally dangerous. In fith grade one of my classmates got ran over by a buss being driving by a god damned Ouija board.

JustErin said:

SureThing said:

No spirits will be evoked. I personally guarantee it. On the other hand, fucking a dead horse is likely to evoke more than the wrath of "God". Although, as we have learned recently there are places where it seems to be acceptable to fuck a dead moose, or was it a deer ? Horses I'm not too sure about, you might want to consult your local statute books before pursuing that one.

jerseykrs said:

Everyone lies. Whatever. But people of faith are trying to help others, not hurt them. What do they have to gain by lying to you.

And I'm not talking extremists who banish you to hell for sinning. But the core of religion is love and doing good. What is so awful about it?

Imago said:

you're right, I generalized in my rant, sorry.

jerseykrs said:

That's not important right now.


















All I'm saying is that none of your friends are allowed to go to the Miami Invasion. I have eczema and don't want to break out in a rash:

SureThing said:

I'll tell you one awful thing about it, the fact that some think a stupid,mass produced piece of cardboard and a plastic is going to invoke some evil spirit to plague them!!!

Imago said:

jerseykrs said:

And yet there is injustice at the least in every religion that I'm aware of. How many female buddhist monks are there again?

jerseykrs said:

Yeah thats pretty awful.

I'd much rather let my daughter play with a ouija board than a bratz doll.

SureThing said:

Do you have any idea how dangerous that statement is? Talk about evil.

Stax said:

I don't know what ya mean. I like that statement.

Sweeny79 said:

CarrieMpls said:

Ding! Ding! Ding!

SureThing said:

You should research the history of your religion. It'll make things more interesting and better your understanding.

I do it because I want to believe, but I just can't.

Spookymuffin said:

Thats why its better for me to leave things the way they are and not research.

In all seriousness, I don't care to know the history. I've seen enough good things happen , to make me believe.

SureThing said:

Here's where I dissagree (and I know I'm in the minority here), but the core religion of all 3 Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) to me is actually the 3 religions that eventually became Judaism.

These religions were not based upon love, but upon Governance, civil obedience, and an attempt to explain the natural world (psuedo-science..though not quite). Nowhere in the old testiment did I ever experience love.

From the passages of Lot(who allowed the men of his towns to basically rape his daughters so that they not commit homosexual acts on a house guest), to the 40 day flood, to the story in Numbers, chapter 25, where the Israelites were tempted by the beautiful Moabite women to sacrafice to Baal (note in that story God ordered that the people's heads be hanged before the lord facing away from Israel--some love there). It is filled with things that set a much different tone than love. Hell, Lot's daughters end up getting their dad drunk and sleeping with him (remember, Lot's family is the best that Sodom had to offer and accorded imunity from God's wrath becuase of that.

The new testemant is much kindler and gentler, but again, the basic message in that text to me is about retribution moreso than actual love.

I don't know much about Islam but it's the least interesting of the Abrahamic religions to me as I'm not sure what it brings to the table to first two didn't.

Imago said:

The old testament is pretty grim, and just plain boring to me. But there is love. Look at the covenant after the flood, and the promise God made to the world.

I think the new testemant is FULL of love.

And isn't onr of the the main pillar in Judiasm to love others as you love yourself?

CarrieMpls said:

Mahayanist or Therevardin.

The Buddha himself stated that a woman can attain buddhahood, and Mahayanist have many bhodisitvas that are women, and some that vow to only return as women.

These attitudes in the two "Schisms" of buddhism have nothing to do with his core teaching, but are reflection of societal norms. The Buddha knew this would be the case, but had faith that these norms would change over time.

That's why, in buddhism, rules of the monastic life are set up so that the monk's vote on them--there's an acceptance that they will change over time.


There is no parable or story in Buddhism that I can think of that advocates opression of women, homosexuals, or any particular class of people.... Again, that i recall.

SureThing said:

Let me break it down for you. It is thinking like that which causes people to fly airplanes into skyscrapers.


[Edited 1/15/07 8:16am]